Deeply Torn
Hi,
I am new here. I have been with my boyfriend for almost 2 years. He is a kind, loving, and good-hearted man. I met him after divorcing a man who was a compulsive liar. He left me in a financial mess, but thankfully, we were not blessed with children. So having been through that, it was really wonderful to find a nice guy.
I just graduated with a Master's degree and I am currently job-hunting. My bf met me when I was just beginning grad school and we moved in together a couple of months ago.
The problem is I cannot stand his 3 kids. I love kids, and I plan on working with children as my career, but these 3 are impossible. They are 18, 19, and 22.
To make a long story short, my bf worked all of the time during the 20 years that he was officially married (they were off more than on). His ex is a compulsive gambler who refuses to work. While he worked 6-7 days a week, she lost all of their savings and spent his checks. She raised the children to believe that they can get what they want when they want it. They did not have a lot of money, but she placated them with things, often food or inexpensive toys and games. My bf was not home much and when he was, he just gave in to her and them. She abused him for years, mentally and physically, I think, and now the kids do it, mentally, as adults. My bf regrets not putting his foot down more, but I don't even know if that would have worked. I think his big mistake was not leaving her, for good, sooner.
The kids are lazy, disrespectful, and believe that he should support him forever. They think they are wonderful, and make fun of people constantly. They do NOT want my bf with me, and they have made that abundantly clear. I have been called vile names, and they write nasty things on their Facebook pages. I am most concerned about their obvious lack of compassion and love for their dad. There seems to have been NO bonding. It is bizarre. I have my suspicions.
The oldest, a girl, refuses to work more than 25 hours a week. She is determined to move in with us, and will not take no for an answer. Our home is tiny, and it would never work. My bf even said she would quit her job and sit on the couch all day. She is morbidly obese, and extremely angry. I offered to help her with a resume, and she refused. She says she cant work more than part time bc it is too stressful. She had very little contact for years with my bf until he bought this home, and now it is daily texts and emails. He is not enabling her, but he feels so bad and then he gets in a mood and I have to deal with that for a week. Plus late night texts and stopping over unannounced. I have told her that this behavior is not acceptable. She ignores me, bc she doesnt take the word "no."
My bf's older son is currently dating a minor. In our state, that is a legal nightmare. Plus it is wrong!!!!! We are refusing to let her come here and told him he is making a mistake. He has no job, refuses to work, and sits home all day playing games. Has never held a job. He wants my bf to take him and this younger girl out, pay for their dates, and let them hang out here for the summer. NEVER going to happen.
The youngest is going to be a senior in high school. We suspect he is on drugs, and he is barely passing. He wrote an email to my bf a couple of months ago, in which he said that if my bf doesnt leave me, he will never see him again. He also called my bf horrible names.
They all said my bf and I can never have a baby....whatever that means. That won't happen anyway.
Last year, my bf could not keep up with the kids' demands (mostly the boys, since the girl was not around). They wanted more and more things and he couldn't afford it. I think it was the first time he said no, and they couldn't handle it. When he does buy them something they sell it. He was paying their cell phone bills and they texted him a picture of them making an obscene gesture to him-it was directed specifically to him. It broke his heart.
I am at my breaking point bc it is like watching a train wreck and not being able to do anything. I am very stressed now, being that I am job-hunting, but I think once I find a job, I will be ok. But, what do I do? Do I stay or go? I love my bf so much, and if I left, I think he would let them move in and they would destroy him. Their own relatives have told him that.
If I don't leave, does this get easier?????? These "kids" are never going to change. Based on what I think is wrong with them, it would never happen. However, my bf's mom, who is a truly nice woman, keeps telling him they will, and she encourages him to do what they want, bc "then they will know you care, and they will change." Denial at is best. She is a big problem in that respect, yet, she won't allow them in her home because of their mouths and tendency to snoop.
There is so much more that I could talk about. I have never met kids like this.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you!
Thanks everyone, your words
Thanks everyone, your words mean a lot to me.
I should not have referred to them as kids, bc I am always telling my bf they are adults. His mom says they are immature, so they are more like kids, but really, now.....
I could tell you more stories that would make your skin crawl.
I guess I know it won't get better, and him having 3 is so hard bc there is always a problem.
I don't know how the hell I am going to leave him. I will survive, but I am afraid they would really destroy him. And I will miss him so much. I would not have made it through school without his emotional support, and he is just a good man. But, I need peace in my life, and that is not what I have now.
They may change but I
They may change but I wouldn't stick around to find out. They act that way because their mother AND father raised them that way. They both had a hand in creating these 3 awful adults. Now he wants to step up to the plate and be a parent? It's to late. It will only get worst.
The others are right, they
The others are right, they aren't kids . .they are adults. Lunatic adults. Tell your BF that you'll stay if and only if, he sets them straight. He needs to give them a lesson on respect, accountablity and responsibility. They need to get a plan for their lives and future and stop looking for handouts.
He's allowing them to walk all over him and it needs to stop or he needs to be prepared to disengage. He should totally ignore his mothers advice because it's obvious she's clueless. Why does he allow them to treat him so badly? You have to get him to see things for how they really are and encourgage him to put his foot down or it's only going to get worse. Their treatment of him is demeaning and deflating and should not be tolerated.
I may have missed it, but why
I may have missed it, but why do you want to leave your DH? The adults don't live with you do they?
Hi, Thanks again, everyone.
Hi,
Thanks again, everyone. The Askids do not live with us, but the daughter is intent on moving in. She came banging at our door a couple of weeks ago. We moved in a couple of months ago, and our next door neighbors are not going to appreciate this kind of stuff. She had all her bags, and he sent her on the way, which was a HUGE step for him. However, she is constantly texting and emailing about coming here. Stops by unannounced. If the sons drove, they would probably do he same thing. He has told her repeatedly not to do that, and she ignores him. He won't turn the phone off because he says if there was ever an emergency and he didnt know it, he would never forgive himself.
When we first met, the Askids were not around much. As soon as they started realizing we were serious, they became intent on causing problems. They are very big on money, and I think they think I am taking "their money." My bf is nowhere near rich, we are working middle class. That is why I made him agree that they would never move in here, and so far he has stuck to that. The problem is, he does not explain to them why they can't come here, or why the son cant have a minor here, etc. etc. He is trying to not enable, but until he explains, they wont stop. He got nothing for Father's Day, not one call, but daughter texted again last night because she is afraid of the neighbors where she is living. Lies-she keeps getting kicked out of where she lives bc she is lazy and rude. I told him to tell her that she needs to change her behaviors and start a life, and he just doesnt do it. He is very very mild-mannered, and I think he blames himself for their attitudes, and he does hold some of that blame. He allowed his ex to wreak havoc for far too long.
I am willing to try counseling, but I am not sure if he would go.
I also wish his mom would stop making him feel guilty. I dont think she means to, but she lets one of her kids walk all over her, so maybe that is why she believes that he should too. She has hinted that I dont understand bc I am not a parent, and that is hurtful. I have talked to parents who think my bf needs to wake up. I think most normal people, parents or not, would be appalled by the behavior of the Askids.
Thanks again for the advice and thoughts!
Whatever you do, do not marry
Whatever you do, do not marry this guy until all of the issues have been resolved. If he never finds his backbone, and you get overly-saturated with the BS it is a lot "easier" if you DO decide to leave.
It's time for you and bf to
It's time for you and bf to sit down and have a heart to heart talk on how the two of you can step fwd. His children are adults and he needs to let go of his obligations to them. If he cannot or refuses to hear you, you really need to ask yourself how long you can manage this. The situation is an obvious mess but because bf has lived it so many years he probably has no way to feel comfortable in making a change.
I'm just wondering what have
I'm just wondering what have you done in your life you feel to be so punished by connecting with this man his incredible miserable baggage? Lazy a$$es with their hands out? You're a "train wreck"...why? Why do you allow yourself in such a bad bad situation. You obciously see and feel it so clearly.
Fat slob of a daughter knows she's not welcome and still going to move in? The bully.
These morons bother you now and yet you have no idea how huge the problems are going to be right down the road. These people won't go away. They'll try and stay on their father's financial teat as long as he allows it. Say goodbye to money that the two of you could spend and enjoy because that money will be going to these losers.
How about feeling miserable everyday? Does that sound good? How about having to deal with these fungus on a daily basis, does that sound like fun. Mushy and stinky to me.
Oh man...easy to feel the grief!!
No way am I having SD living
No way am I having SD living with us again, and I know that she really thinks she can and WILL again when her education finishes in 3 or 4 yeras, ummmm no....... I can see her reasoning I really can, DH still dishes out the money with every tiny sob lie, sorry story!!! Why not live right in the pocket, right next to the wallet??? Simple, really!!
My DH went down the route of giving her driving lessons, etc, etc, paid for everything AND promised her a car at the end, needless to say, after yet another list of lies and incidents, she lost THAT priviledge. I do not understand how these Skids believe they are entitled to everything on a silver platter, it seems to be the less they do, the MORE they are given. Great live rules being learnt right there......
My bf has hinted at marriage
My bf has hinted at marriage and I have told him that is not a consideration now due to his adult children. I think you hit the nail on the head, AVR1962....change is not a comfortable thing for my bf. He is used to these behaviors and thinks that they are not shocking. He is learning to stop enabling but he has no clue how to explain to them why their words and actions are wrong. They are grown but I think they are living in a bubble. One thing that scares me is that they do not think that rules apply to them. They have no concept that the world doesnt revolve around them. His daughter's bf's mom convinced him to move across the country because she bullied the guy, but the daughter says they will be together. Many people have said to her that the relationship is over, and she says it is not, that they will be together. In his defense, my bf tried talking to her and she said I will do what I want and get what I want. I have no doubt all 3 will raise their own children in the same manner. It is sick. My bf said when he tried to enforce rules as they were growing up, they mocked and laughed at him. The sons do that now, so I guess that did happen. But all these years have probably resulted in my bf being immune. I have seen him get mad, which is still very mild, because he never yells. There is NO bond other than the money has brought to their lives.
Done With It, You are so right. I think my problem is that there was not a lot of contact with any of the 3 until we moved in. It was really just us and we get along GREAT!!!!! I really didnt know the ASkids. I was super busy with school, and my bf works a lot. The daughter maybe emailed my bf twice in a year to whine, the boys only called when they wanted something. The one son lived with him for a very short while and left bc my boyfriend was literally running out of money and stopped getting him things. After that, the boys only saw him occasionally and then when he wasnt giving them as much money, they got mad and sent that awful picture. 2 months ago, we moved in and the daughter was suddenly showing up every day. Sneering at me, and hinting for all kinds of things. I knew right away she wanted to move in. The older son has now been texting and emailing a lot. I truly think the youngest meant what he said when he wrote that he wont speak to my bf until I am gone. It will only get worse, I know, bc I can see that the Askids won't stop.
Get a restraining order
Get a restraining order against the stepdaughter.
That will happen if she
That will happen if she continues to come here unannounced. I think she is laying low for now, though, plotting her next move. :sick:
If I was better at
If I was better at articulating my situation it'd sound a lot like yours. My husband used to allow stain to carry on like this and my oldest SS (the good one) was dating a teenager who was 14 when he was 20. Our BM was working at the school the girl went to and actually drove the girl to and from school but wouldn't pick stain up who was her son. I hear your frustration. Your BF sounds like he's coming to his senses and give him credit for that, My DH had a hard time doing just that and now he's even harsher towards his kid than I am and stick to your guns about none of them moving in with you because that'll be the beginning of the end for your relationship.
The minor and my bf's son
The minor and my bf's son being together scares me. I know he can go to jail if his parents or she herself decide to not like him anymore. I cannot believe that her parents have allowed him to move in for the summer. Not only is he an adult, he doesnt work. I dont know what they are thinking. But, I am not allowing her in here. NO way.
I am definitely sticking to my guns, because if any of the Askids came here, we would be immediately over. Their attitudes, plus our house is teeny tiny. The last time his daughter was here she announced loudly, "I have to pee" and then hacked phlegm outside for 10 minutes. It was disgusting. She also scares me. 22 years old.
I am giving him credit, bc he is taking baby steps. Thanks for reminding me to do that!!!! I just worry how much he can take before he crumples again.
I am glad your DH came to his senses. Do I want to know who Stain is....
Mustang1, is this why he is
Mustang1, is this why he is your ex, if you dont mind me asking?
I know how that feels, bc my brother put me and my parents through 12 or so years of that same hell with his drug addiction. He is clean and alive now, only because my dad did tough love.
Is your ex still enabling? My mom has a friend whose son is 45, and she is still putting up with his addiction-her family has pretty much abandoned her bc they cant take it anymore. It has been over 20 years. So, it may never end for many families.
My bf's daughter just posted on Facebook that she may have to move into her car. She knows he will see it. But he knows I will leave NOW if she comes, and I honestly think he is afraid to have her come here. Her own aunt said not to do it. She can be violent, from what I hear. No one can deal with her, including her grandmothers. I think when she told my bf that she doesnt like working, he got scared. She only works 20 hours a week now and says that is too much. I also know he loves me, and we have a nice home here. But, when he says no, he gets sooooooooo moody and sad. The other day he found out that she blew through 13K in 2 months, and now is broke. He was so upset, and he did call her on it. He wasnt moody at all. So, he is making small steps, but with these 3 brats, I never know what will happen. His son is now hinting he wants to come here. He is the whiner, OMG, it makes my skin crawl. 19 years old. He wont work at all.
I think the "suicide card" is the worst. They know you get horribly upset bc they know you may think they really mean it. And you have to believe them. Although at some point, I guess they can go overboard and you just sigh. My bf's son tried that last year, and the psychiatrist deemed him NOT suicidal, especially after hearing that he told my bf he would be fine if my bf bought him all the Chinese food he wanted. He was not suicidal at all, but the psychiatrist was concerned that he was so immature that he may do something stupid like run in traffic. Which is what he threatened. OMG.
I deliberately chose to date someone with older kids who are now adults, and I feel like I am dealing with babies. I am still really unsure. I do give my bf credit, but I dont know how much he will be able to take before he starts giving in again.
Wow, your ex is exactly like
Wow, your ex is exactly like my mom was with my brother. My parents have been divorced for years, and my dad had to do the tough love. Your ex is obviously not ready for that. And as you know he may never be. He cant have a relationship with you or anyone bc she is his world.
As my dad said,my brother consumed my mom's life. Irony is, she is all alone now, bc she couldnt maintain relationships when he was addicted. My dad remarried years ago and his wife has always been there, and since her daughter is also a recovering addict, they shared that common sadness.
My brother is now clean, well, and married and living in another state, which means he can only visit once a year. He needs to be away from here, but my mom is the one who really lost out. She made the choices your ex is making, and I always say I am glad she doesnt have alot of money, bc God only knows how that may have affected my brother.
I think you would have been really hurt even more if you stayed with your ex. He better wake up. His daughter needs to be admitted to a psych unit, just as you said. I dont see her surviving, literally, if she doesnt get serious help now. He is fueling her addiction, and if something happens to her, he will be destroyed.
You must have needed a lot of strength to leave your relationship. I need to draw on mine, bc this is horrible for me, as you know. But I dont know what to do. I do know I dont want to be here a year from now, in the same boat. I see it getting worse, and I guess I have to let my heart know it.