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advice column- holiday dinner

notarelative's picture

The Washington Post has an advice piece that really struck me. Second wife prepares the holiday dinner. Family comes. They eat. Wives leave to spend time with first wife.

I am my husband’s second wife. His first wife was much loved by my husband’s family, but my husband wasn’t happy and divorced her.

My husband’s family established a tradition whereby hosting holiday feasts is rotated among the siblings. When it was our turn to host, my first time, everything seemed to be going well until after the meal. Suddenly, all the wives gathered their things and left. Not a word about where they were going or why I wasn’t invited.

I found out later they had all gone to a prearranged get-together with my husband’s ex-wife.

I found this to be extremely rude, but they have characterized this as an innocent get-together with an old friend they don’t often get to see because not everyone lives in our town. I wasn’t invited for obvious reasons, and had I been invited, I would have declined.

I don’t know how to think about this. They have not been unfriendly outside of this situation.

The answer ended  --  "Tell them all how lovely it is they’re still close to the ex. Say you’d like to support their gathering — so the next time the rotation brings the feast back to your (and the ex’s) town, you would like to communicate and coordinate with them in advance so both gatherings have room to linger and breathe."

The comments were mostly in the same vain. Many of them surmising that the second wife must have had an affair with the husband.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/advice/2024/09/18/carolyn-hax-wives-left-...

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I pondered how I'd respond. - never feed them again -- go to next holiday dinner and disappear after the meal -- next time it was our turn tell them it will be served at 8am so not to interfere with their other plans -- 

I do know that DH would have been furious and would have let them know how he felt. 

JRI's picture

I guess I could understand if they'd all grown up together and gone thru school together.  I guess.

But, this would seriously bother me, too.

BethAnne's picture

They snubbed her and they knew what they were doing. If it was innocent they would have told her that they had to leave early as they were meeting a friend (if they wanted to avoid bringing up the ex). Perhaps they were trying to be sensitive but they just ended up being even more rude than if they'd told her about it and not invited her to join them.

I think I would mentally move all of them onto the list of people who I can't trust and who are more loyal to his ex than me. I'm not sure how I'd handle the next holiday gathering, it would depend on how they treat me in the intervening time I think. 

MorningMia's picture

That is extremely rude, so my first reaction would be to avoid these people in the future. If that would create a lot of drama, I might consider going along (partially) with the advice above and remind these people that the purpose of the holiday gathering is to spend time with relatives and they should stay a while while after dinner--can they arrange their time with the ex either for earlier or much later (or another day)? There would probably be pushback, though . . . and there you'd have your drama. 

I don't know why so many people in our culture think it's ok to crap all over second (or third) wives. 

When things have gotten too complicated here with the holidays, we literally head for the hills--rent a cabin and say bye bye!  

ESMOD's picture

I feel like it's fine for the wives to continue to have a relationship that stands on it's own with their brother's EX.  

I think they snuck off because they didn't want to make it obvious and thought it might hurt the LW's feelings.. which it somewhat has now that she knows.

I think given the treatment that has not been unkind prior to this that she should pretty much take the advice (though if there are several siblings.. it may be years before it rolls around to her again).  Let the wives know that if they have other people they want to see that day.. that they can let you know so that you can make sure there isn't too much conflict.

As an aside.. since you know that they are friendly with the ex.. these women are not suitable for you to share secrets.. vent to.. about the ex or your husband.. or anything really.  They have some loyalty to the ex.. it should be remembered.  Of course... as long as everyone is being nice.. no reason to shun them.

Harry's picture

These people are not your friends, and if family you don't need them.  I would never invite them again to anything I do.  Or my family does birthday , party, events.   Make new friends, some people who are loyal to you.  This is a pit fall of second marriage.  Family and friends choose sides.  You know what side you are on.  
'real people whole of told you they were goning to BM to eat . 

Winterglow's picture

That would be the last time I hosted a family feast. I would have been very angry and felt very insulted if they just all upped and left after the meal I had prepared. They treated your table and your home as if it were a restaurant,  OP. That is such a slap in the face! You were good enough to feed them but not spend any time with.

If they wanted to spend time with BM, then it was on them to set it up some other time, not to insult your hospitality.

Elea's picture

I would never host them again. In fact, last T-giving I hosted a house full of people - none of them steps.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I agree. Why did their thing with BM have to be on *that* day at that time? I'm in a similar situation with my SO's family being loyal to BM. Basically all the female members of his family in our generation are friends with BM. I will go to Christmas and such and be polite, bring a dish or a dessert, but that's where it ends. An incident a few years ago sealed the deal. It's one thing to exclude me but they excluded my kid because BM didn't want my kid around, and it was really hurtful. Aside from politeness a handful of times per year, they are nothing to me. 

Dollbabies's picture

this article in WAPO and the majority of responses felt that, because OP didn't say she didn't have an affair that busted up the marriage, she obviously did. And if she did have an affair her poor treatment was completely deserved. 

I just don't buy that. I had nothing to do with my DH's divorce but because he was estranged from his children the assumption was that I did. I resent having to defend myself on that score.

And even if the husband did have an affair and then married his affair partner she doesn't deserve to be treated badly because of it. 

notarelative's picture

The affair assumption -- almost 30 years before we started dating, DH1 and I played on a four person team in an about 60 person league that included DH2 and his ex. We played three years and stopped. I didn't see DH2 again until we started dating - when my new work colleague, his neighbor got us together-- after DH2's divorce and after the ex died. 

We had been married over two years when SD2 married. At the reception the groom's mom told me I'd always be the other woman. Her son had told her I was the cause of the marriage breakup. 

Elea's picture

and can't respect them to the point that one feels they are undeserving of common decency then one should not sit at their table and accept their gracious hospitality. It's ill-mannered and obnoxious.

I don't understand these SK's that hate their SM and have nothing but judgement and contempt for their own Dad but are happy to put out their hand for money and  hand-outs.

notsurehowtodeal's picture

You missed the best part of the response, which was at the beginning.

"It was a spectacularly, thoughtlessly crappy thing for them to do to you.

I’m so sorry — both that all the wives weaseled on you en masse, when you were super-vulnerable as the post-divorce new spouse on the spot for a holiday feast, and that your husband didn’t immediately take the initiative to see that you were made whole once you figured out what had happened.

Anything short of an apology line snaking out your door was insufficient. Ideally in a downpour.

And … I’m not done yet … you can also think of it as a sad and, in a way, beautiful thing that was stupidly, needlessly botched."

Carolyn Hax definitely thought what they did was wrong. She is, however, a big believer in ex's getting along - so as she worked through her answer she did end up with those final words. (Her ex still illustrates her column.) Most of the responses I read were supportive of the OP, not the ex.

CLove's picture

one of the members of a facebook group posted a link to this on Washington post. Of course, given the group, it was nearly 100% all about the fact that they believed with certainty that the OP was an affair partner.

Just because the "love" for the BM was so THERE. But we here know that the BM can be the worst person on the planet, and because she dropped a few DNA samples, there will be times that the family embraces her over the new wife.

Harry's picture

That in second marriage there could be family problems.  The family could feel that BM was treated dirty by her ex and you.  That they don't want to end there relationship with BM.  
You can not control other people.  If they want to be friends with BM  then let them know you will not be part of this dysfunction.  They must choose. BM or you.  And you must adjust your life accordingly.  As no big family dinners. Let BM do it 

Merry's picture

Take wife/ex wife out of the equation. Now it looks like the mean girls ditched the new girl. It's juvenile and rude.

If they want to see BM, fine. But pick another day.

Going forward, I would be polite but that's it. I'd really have to think hard about hosting again.