I did it!
We recently had a family event at which OSD would be present. I have not had contact with her since her psycho freak-out Father's Day weekend. Being anywhere in her vicinity causes me extreme anxiety; I had not experienced anxiety before dealing with OSD, my therapist says it is a trauma response. I was determined to be there, I was not going to let her threat of "consequences" deter me. In fact, I was hoping she'd follow through with said 'consequences' in front of everyone...sadly, she didn't. How she did react was to smile and pretend everything was peachy. Before the event, DH and I had discussed that she is very cunning; she knows what she is doing, it's calculated. By acting all sweet, she is able to tell other family members, "See, I try...Trudie doesn't like me!" then turn on the waterworks. This seems to work for her, because the extended family still believes her even though DH has backed me up 100%. I don't believe they actually believe her, but I am the easy scapegoat so they can preserve the family 'image' and live in denial that OSD has serious problems.
A few days prior to the event, because of the stress, I had an attack of a chronic illness that had been under control for 10+ years. This involved missing work and medical intervention. DH was worried and told me I could stay home if I wasn't up to it. Heck no, I was not staying home! I told him doing so looked like I was hiding and I was not going to act like I am guilty of anything, because I am not.
The day of the event I got up, dressed up, and showed up! (I really do believe looking good is such a confidence booster!) It actually went pretty good. DH did not leave my side and I was so lucky to have another kind person sitting on my other side during dinner. We made it through and excused ourselves right after dinner.
OSD gifted a very expensive gift to the honoree of the event. I actually looked up the cost...guess what? The cost was within $10 of what she had requested from DH to buy a new 'bed'! Coincidence, I think not. When I pointed that out, he had a little back slide in behavior and said, "She needs a bed." Nope, not buying it! I guess her boyfriend finally had enough of her freeloading and her talk of marriage and babies and dumped her. I was surprised it took this long. I guess she moved out of their luxury apartment. I asked DH what she was going to do? His reply, "Not my problem." I was really glad to hear that response.
What I want to know is...does it get any easier? Being around her? Being around family who deny the problem and deflect it to someone else? (Me.) I am trying to take an approach of compassion. Compassion because they are living a lie and are unable to confront the truth. Compassion because their approach is not helping OSD, it's harming her. Also, gratitude that my DH has seen the light.
I forgot...
...to add that she has never been able to support herself. Yet, she has money for lip injections and fake eyelashes. DH said her (and her mother's) way of dealing with debt is to file bankruptcy. Again, so glad he responded "not my problem".
They will bleed you dry
It's like a show, how a noise in there car becomes such a major repair they just need a new car. The auto mechanic said. [everybody said ] dump the car and buy new. You just need a case of popcorn. To pop some corn abd listen to all the stories. You give them $100. They go out and spend $300. It never ends
Yes...
...she certainly has bleed them dry. DH and my MIL are done. Now her own mother will not have the funds to bail her out since her transactional marriage is coming to an end (her husband had bailed her out numerous times). OSD verbalized she was worried about her 'sobriety'...what sobriety? She is a dry drunk.
Are you telling me to sit back and watch the show, Harry? To just watch this train wreck with detachment? I really am trying to do just that; and to support my husband because I realize this is his daughter and it is painful.
Great job Trudie on showing
Great job Trudie on showing up and looking fabulous! I too deal with anxiety with one of the SKIDs and he puts on a BIG show for the family about big bad stepmom....but over the years people are uncovering that he's a liar and I am not. I hold my head up high and I don't go to many events unless its really mandatory- you might get to a place of apathy. i am reaching that stage with my disengagement. I have not appetite for trying to convince anyone that I am good after all I've done for the now adult SKIDs and I don't have to prove anything to anyone. I also don't really put a whole lot of energy into extended family that believed the garbage - I am cordial. Someday you just might get tired and opt out because your time is VALUABLE and shouldn't be wasted on crappy interactions. But for now this is a great step and I understand the anxiety you felt- I get that too and i hope someday it goes aways. It's a little worse than just dreading the visit....it's a very anxious feeling and it feels horrible. Good for you for fighting through it and someday hopefully neither of us will have to continue to fight through it.
Thank you.
I appreciate you sharing your experience. It seems they share the same playbook. I have to wonder if the people buying into it are really that stupid, or is it just easier to play 'stupid'? I think the later is far less messy and most are not willing to take a stand...especially if it goes against family. No matter how dysfunctional said 'family' is. For years, my motto has been 'Stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone.' I am comfortable with standing alone. I am thankful that my husband stands with me; aside from friends, he has been the first family member to ever do so.
I am really curious, what was the reaction of the family when they figured out your SS was the liar? Acknowledgement? An apology? Were you too over it to care at that point? 2 years in, I feel no apology from family will ever make up for scapegoating me. I am trying to focus on compassion, because they are sick too. However, it is not easy.
I am totally disengaged with her. I just watch the trainwreck that is her life and shake my head....
Yes, I hope at some point that anxiety is gone for both of us. I do know they are not worth it. Blessings to you.
Yep - stand alone or stand
Yep - stand alone or stand with your DH by your side. We have spinal cords of steel while they are spineless. There are two camps in the various families. One camp still feeds into the garbage even though they know it's garbage because it fufills some other selfish need of theirs- frankly, I didn't dive any deeper to find out what that need is. I simply cut them off emotionally and remain cordial but nothing else. The other camp may still be hearing the lies and playing fence OR they may have cut off the lies - I'll never know. I simply do NOT ask about the stuff and I don't allow there to be any room for the discussion. They don't bring it up anymore or try to shame me so we basically live a phleasant co-existence. Some of his lies were just too obvious not to realize they were big fat lies. A simple one is neglect - SKID LOVES to go on and on about how "he never got anything", "we never took him anywhere", "he's been not given what he deserves in life"....they can see that we have provided way more than their kids have recieved (I personally think we overindulged but that's on DH). The relatives can also see that NONE of their children got to travel the world but somehow this SKID did. On and on...the point being I believe they started to feel like he's got it better than their kids and even themselves. That feeling probably eclipsed any sorrow.
Ageed!
Sounds like we both have grit! I understand being cordial. I do it for my DH, not for them. Not one of them has brought anything up to my face, which tells me a lot.
What is it with SKIDS and entitlement? My kids were taught to work for what they have and they are both successful, independent, functional young adults...I am very proud of their accomplishments.
The entitlement is never
The entitlement is never ending @Trudie. Disengagement and indifference is the way to go.
IMHO it does get better but..
IMHO it does get better but... only when avoidance is taken off of the table and their noses are repeadely rubbed in the stench of the manipulator to the point that they have no choice but to gain clarity and the manipulator is forced back under their rock.
Because it is about family, the fee fees tend to overwhelm the brain and it isn't until the facts are never allowed to fade regarding the toxicity that everyone goes to all ends to ignore.
We had to do this with my BIL1's bovine bride who was hell bent on isolating him from his family. It went on for years. Until I had enough of my DW being upset about it and not do anything about it. I told her I understood that she was upset and why but that if she was not upset enough about it to do something, I did not want to hear about it any more. She immediately picked up her phone, called her brother and asked BIL1 and his bovine bride what their problem was and why they were manipulating the entire family? After that any thiem the shit started the facts were broadcast to the entire family. That boxed BIL12 and the bovine bride into a corner that they could not manipulate their way out of. It took several more years for things to stabilize and the family to start recognizing the facts and reality. We had to do the same thing with my SIL with her thieving bullshit. Everyone ignored it for years and played The Emperor's New Clothes bury their heads in the sand bullshit. Just as they all did with BIL1's bovine bride.
Once the whole family was force fed the racts and not allowed to ignore it, they all stopped feeding my SIL and BIL1's bride. Suddenly, the bullshit slowed, no more guilt money in response to SIL's tears, no more acceptance of SIL1's bovine bride's overt and covert bullshit.
It all goes in cycles, but when it arrises and either SIL or BIL1's DW ply their bullshit, the facts are immediatly presented and everyone tends to not dive in to the maniplulations. Though they do get a little whiney about how they are faaaaaaaammmmmmiiiiiiilllllly. Yep, they are family and they are manipulative toxic assholes and in the case if SIL a rip off artist who has taken $Tens-of-thousands from the family over decades.
DW will not stand for it. When SIL or BIL1's DW craw out from under their rock and attempt to restart their shit, DW is front and center to call it. The whole clan would rather ignore it, stand behind the facade of the one big happy family and pretent that the scammer SIL and the toxic bovine bride of SIL1 aren't that bad.
Many years ago when the whole IL clan visited us for DW's grad school graduation we were doing a family thing one day. At the last minute BIL informed eveyrone that the Bovine Bride was having a migrane and they could not go. We all left, before we got out of the neighborhood DW realized she forgot her purse so we flipped a U-turn and ran back to the house. DW went in to grab her purse and overheard the bovine bride and BIL1 talking about how now that the entire family was gone they would take our extra car and go do what they wanted to do.
DW grabbed her purse, checked the mileage on her car, and we all left for the day. At the end of the day when we got home she checked the mileage on her car which had been driven nearly 100miles since we left after getting ehr purse.
DW was furious. Her parents asked her what was bothering her.. She told them that the bovine bride lied about her migranes and they had taken her car and left just after we had gone back to get her purse.
FIL called my DW a couple of weeks later and chewed her ass for telling MIL that the bovine bride lied about her migranes. I called FIL back and backed him into a corner for calling my DW, gave him my patent lecture on the facts and how rather than supporting MIL's fantasy that the whole family needed to recognize and stand on reality. Bovin bride just got worse until the full meal deal call out on her bullshit that ultimately started the reset for the whole clan and a whole lot fewer corners for the toxic clan elements to hide in.
There are still bovine bride machinations but she is more of a drive by drama driver than her former all in manipulator self.
Good grief...
...there is at least one in everyone's family. Like I previously posted, family tends to stand 'together' to protect their own. I shake my head at the sheer dysfuncion.
I would say the facts we presented this summer definitely rubbed their nose in it. They can deny all they want, they know the truth. And now I know the truth about them. They are living a lie to keep things nice and tidy. If they don't 'see' it, they don't have to take action. That truth is helping me to disengage. My truth is, they will never be 'my' people.
Unfortunatley when they stand
Unfortunatley when they stand together to feed the facade and defend the toxic individual, they often sacrifice someone else in the mix and potentially.... everyone else in the mix.
Not happenin in my world. If they are going to feed the idiocy and defend the toxic, they are going to do it with their asses fully bared and and under the full spotlight and hairy eyeball of clarity fighthing through the facts repeatedly to maintain their family delusions.
IMHO of course.
*diablo*
You know...
...it says a lot about people who are willing to sacrifice others. They are not my people. I honestly believe nothing I say or do would alter their family delusions, because they don't even respect what their son, brother, father has to say. Again, not my people. I am getting better at expending less energy on them, so I'm taking the wins as they come.
You can’t stop the train wreck.
Dysfunctional people will be dysfunctional you can't change that. It's called disengagement and disengaging. You disengage to the degree you want to. First by Getting SO to stop the money train.
DH and SD must realize that if SD wants fake eyelashes injectesons ect. This is now accomplished by that three letter word. J O B SD must get a job and pay for all this nonsense. Like fake eyelashes is going to make a difference. It must be explained to SD. that she must work pay her expenses and if she has money left over then fake whatever is ok.
You must keep a lid on your family money and where it's going. You will open your own bank account in your name only. And what ever SD gets. $ 100 for eyelashes, you put $100 into your account. $ 300 for injections...$ 300 in your account.. if your family money runs low DH must get a second job to make up the money.
'You will plan weekend adult only the two of you getaways. As fall leaves turning weekend. B and B stay a nice dinner. Doing fall things. Thanksgiving weekend get away.
Yes!
I can not stop the dysfunction! I am 100% no contact with her. DH is at 95%.
The money train is derailed. Thankfully it was derailed shortly before I met my husband, although that has not stopped her from trying to extort money from him. Threats of suicide, threats to relapse, etc. He has heard it all and he shares it with me. The answer is simply "no".
Shortly after we met, DH told me that he thought part of OSD's opposition to the relationship was the money...the fact that it was no longer coming her way. I truly do not know what she will do, she spends every cent she makes and she doesn't make much. She has sponged off her boyfriend the entire time I have known her, with installments from her mother's soon to be ex-husband too. Frankly, I don't care what she does. As DH says, "not my problem".
We returned just this week from our yearly fall holiday! We are definitely enjoying the fruits of our labor. Already planning our next trip....
I'm so sorry you had a health
I'm so sorry you had a health "relapse" prior to the event, but SO GLAD you forged ahead! "They will never be my people." I feel this so much!
Thank you.
I am glad I did too! I will admit I am a competitive person and I was not about to be shown up by the dysfunctional trainwreck.
Sadly, I think so many resonate with "They will never be my people." I wish it wasn't so, but it is. I am grateful for this site because I realize I am not alone and that fact helps me rise above it.
You rock! I'm so glad you
You rock! I'm so glad you are learning how to own their idiot asses by being radiant, being present, be confident and living your best life and you and DH are living your best marriage with full frontal in their face joy.
Keep building that confidence and bolster your commitment to living well together.
Which... is also the best revenge. That is is a side bonus to your radiance and happiness in life.
Thank you!
Yes to ALL of this. In spite of their nonsense, we are definitely living our best life.
That's great that you held
That's great that you held your head up, that you have your dh's support, and that you have a sense of how to navigate the minefield. My dh's and his ex's families are rather small. I feel bad for him and SS because I know they both would like more familial connections, but for me, the silver lining is that I do not have to deal with that extra layer of drama. I know that SS would talk smack about me all of the time if he could, and though he tries to with the limited number of family and the times he sees them, they aren't close enough or care enough to take me to task for the things SS claims (which aren't accurate anyway).
My dh has been better about enforcing boundaries recently (I had read a book on borderline children and started to insist on enforcing boundaries more). It seems to have worked a little in my case. Dh saw that SS didn't just crumble and die just because we said 'no' to him. That in turn has made SS's manipulations less effective. It seems to me that your SD is more seriously affected by mental illness. You can't let that take everyone down. So keep doing what your doing, and give SD the space to learn to navigate her own path to health and well being.
Thank you.
I am glad your situation with your SS has improved; buy-in from your husband had to help so much and I would guess his support really helps too.
I am all for familial connections...if they are genuine.
Yes, mental illness is a big one for OSD, along with all the other 'stuff'. As long as her family gives her a free pass, I don't see her getting better. For my husband's sake, I wish it were different. For me, not my problem.
Only in Stepville can
Only in Stepville can something as simple as a party trigger "an attack of a chronic disease requiring medical intervention." These situations are so toxic. They were toxic before we entered and we can't fix them.
I get it. I will always be an outsider with my SO's family. It's not the skids but BM2 who sealed that fate, since she won't give up her spot as an insider, plus i'm not from the right part of the world. Fk them all. I tried my a$$ off for several years. Now i only go to a few things and keep a polite distance from all of them. I smile, bring a dish, help clean up, etc. Talk in a friendly manner to those who will talk to me. That's always been enough in pretty much every situation in my life up to now, but nothing will ever be enough with them. I've finally accepted that. As long as they don't fk with me, i won't fk with them.
Yes!
Only in Stepville.... You are so right about the fact that we can't fix the existing toxicity.
I am thankful that BM is not a huge factor. This was the first time I have been around her that she didn't get in my face with her fake nonsense, smiling and chatting. Ugh! Because I know what she says about me behind my back. I know how she likes the Facebook posts disparaging DH and myself. Etc. Personally I think it is because she is ashamed of her impending divorce and appearance. DH, who is very kind, commented privately to me that she looked terrible. Although that was true, I was surprised he said it. She was not a small woman before and I would say she has added an extra 50-75 pounds.
You know, you are right...smiling, contributing food, and helping with clean up usually work. And I am happy to do it! I think it so strange that DH's friends, aunts/uncles, cousins, etc. have welcomed me with open arms. They are happy for him. Isn't that the way it should be?
Your DH's recognition that
Your DH's recognition that his XW wasn't looking good strikes a chord with me. It is sad to see even an X struggling even when it is entirely the earned consequences of their choices.
Since the divorce I have seen my XW only once. About 10 or 11yrs after the final divorce hearing. I was at a business lunch that my client chose the restaurant for. The restaurant was one of my XILs favorites. My party was seated on an elevated dining area that overlooked the main dining area and that provided an unobstructed view of the panoramic windows overlooking a beautiful vista. Below about 40 feet away were seated my XW, and apparently the Geriatric Fortunte 500 Executive Sugar/Baby daddy she was cheating with and got knocked up by while she and I were married, and their two young sons. She looked like she had been rode hard and put up wet for a very long time. Haggard, worn out, and decidedly unhappy. A far cry from the beautiful fit intelligent college athelete I had first met and then married. She was apparently irritated with Grandpa Sugar Daddy and her boys. She was apparently chewing all three of them out. The three of them looked beaten down. Not sure if this was before or after Grandpa ultimately agreed to marry her which did not occur until after their second child was born and only a couple of short years before she got knocked up with yet another cheat baby. She very well may have been knocked up when I saw her at that lunch.
It was sad. But it also highlighted how fortunate i was to not have polluted my gene pool with her and how blessed I was to escape to move on to an amazing life with a truly incredible person.
Yes.
I understand what you are saying. My ex husband had a psychotic breakdown/lengthy hospitalization 6 months after our divorce. It was sad then, and it is sad now 6 years later. He has never been the same. I feel for my kids. My son was recently upset with him and I pointed out that one of the things their dad has always done well is to love them the best that he can. I take the high road; I want my kids to be proud of me, and showing kindness to all is one way to do that. I will never regret my marriage because I have 2 great kids, but I do regret that they have a dysfunctional father.
Hey, Trudie,
Hey, Trudie,
You've written:
... DH's friends, aunts/uncles, cousins, etc. have welcomed me with open arms. They are happy for him.
Hon, they probably have no need for your husband's resources, either emotional (like your nasty MIL) or your SD (financial). No 'skin in the game', as they say. You are very fortunate in that your husband, despite a few blunders, 'has your back', as does mine. It makes stephell much less daunting when one has a DH who is loving and loyal.
Hmmm…
...I think there is something to this. I have thought in the past that things have changed for them because he isn't at their beck and call. However, a considerate, rational person would realize this is completely normal... of course he would be spending time with his wife! His wife, who is independent! We have fun together, I am not expecting him to 'serve' me; our relationship is mutual give and take, not one-sided.
As far as MIL goes, she indirectly contributed to my health crisis by standing her ground that I am to blame for the nonsense with OSD...just had another round of that. Yet, when asked by DH, I picked up a couple of things she needed when I was running errands. She had the nerve to give one of them back telling me it was the wrong flavor and asked for more. Also, we took her grocery list to the store, did her shopping, left the store, and she called wanting more. So we went back and got more. I told DH that was unbelievable! I do not do it for her, I do it for him.
SIL is even worse, and also contributed to my health crisis. She also thinks I am the problem and said we "come from different backgrounds". It was not meant as a complement. If she means that everything I have accomplished has been on my own dime as opposed to family funded, yes, we sure are from different backgrounds. However, that is not what she meant. Gross comment. There is so much more....
You are right, my husband is a stand up guy and I know I am lucky. I think he is seeing flaws that he has never before acknowledged. It has to be hard. I 100% acknowledge we are all flawed; however, it makes all the difference if a person has the self awareness to recognize said flaws and work on them. I'm just interested in being my best self.