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Sorry, longer than I thought but I am livid.

justmakingthebest's picture

We are headed to SS13's state in 10 days. We will be there for a week for OSS graduation and then packing up and moving OSS18 back to our state. We have been asking BM since FEBRUARY if she will allow us time with SS13. No response. Just straight up nothing. The judge wouldn't discuss it in court. NOTHING. However, BM did make a mistake in court, under oath, stating that she would never deny SS13 time with his father if he would just come to their state. 

Well, on Sunday we texted BM about the flights for our 3 whole weeks that we get him this summer. It is $170 cheaper if he can fly out the day before what the agreement says. BM of course says no. So then we ask about graduation again... Silence. Text again saying that you literally just responded please stop ignoring this!... Silence. So then I tell FDH to call SS. We do, turns our BM just bought him tickets to a MLB game so he can't go to his brother's graduation. WTF!?!?! 

We pry some more info out of him after looking at the schedule, the game is on Friday, graduation is on Sunday. So... why can't you go SS?? He says because the are spending the whole weekend in that town. So then we explain  to the 13yr old that he needs to make a choice here and we hope he knows that family and his brother's graduation is more important than a game. He agrees. So we ask him to put FDH on speaker phone and go talk to his mother so we can do this together. Of course she snatches the phone from his and says that he doesn't need to be involved. 

When it was finally over, BM decided that we can have SS with us in thier state if we give up one week in our state. She has purchased imagine dragon tickets for him and he will miss the concert and "he is so upset and doesn't want to come see us now" so he just HAS to come back early. FHD reminded her of what she said in court. Told her it was ludicris that he give up even a minute in our state because we is traveling there and SHE STATED that she wouldn't deny us time if we came there. Her lawyer even specifically asked FDH about his leave time and wanted to know why all of that can't be spent coming to their state (Ummm... maybe because our lives include more than SS, maybe we want actual vacations, maybe we want time away as a couple, maybe we have 3 other kids to think about, maybe because the Military doesn't just LET you take leave when you want) BM ended the call saying that she is going to let SS think about it and get back to us.  

Well, of course SS didn't. FDH is going to call him tonight because I found out some fun things. If he comes out 4 days earlier than we planned he can see imagine dragons here, also, that means we get 4th of July so we can do fireworks on the beach and stay in the outer banks for a long weekend. We will also propose that if he give us baseball this summer he won't have to miss our wedding, our vacation, can do the concert, fireworks, etc and since it would save us about $400 in airfare we can do a lot more while he is here. I don't know if it will work but since BM bases everthing on what "SS wants" lets give him some things to want! 

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beebeel's picture

If you start bribing him with concerts this summer, he will learn how to play this game every summer. When he's 16 he will get TWO cars from his parents who are locked in this competition of gifts. Uhg. I completely understand the urge, but you will most likely create a monster.

justmakingthebest's picture

What other option do we have? If BM is constantly doing things to bribe him away from his dad- Major leauge baseball, concerts, etc- what else can we do??? Seriously- if you have any ideas I am desperate. 

beebeel's picture

Drop the rope. Don't reinforce this idea that love equals bribes. Don't feed into the concept that time with parents = who ever gives me the most shit. Dad tells him that he loves him and he really wants to spend time with him. When he arrives for visitation, THEN discuss fun things to do.

justmakingthebest's picture

So, I get what you are saying and that is what I would do with my kids. However, since we can't get him early to do any of those things what choice do we have? Do we just show him pictures of everthing he missed. Sorry kid, you wanted your parents to get into a bidding war and we don't play that here, so this is what you missed! Sucks to be you! If we don't tell him the options of things here, he won't know. BM makes sure that she is doing things to bribe him away- we would just be calling a bluff. 

beebeel's picture

No, you would be using bribes in the same way, playing the same game as bm. And if you don't tell him what he missed, he won't feel left out. I'm sure you could find other things to do during the time he does visit. 

lieutenant_dad's picture

Stick to the CO. CO says he will be at your house on X date, then DH picks him up from the airport on X date. If he goes back on Y date, then DH drops him off on Y date.

If you try to manipulte the CO, you'll lose more time. BM will cry in court that you're bribing him, and you're in a position where the judge doesn't give one hoot about your DH's parenting time.

I go back to my previous suggestions of showing SS that DH is involved by having DH sign up for school emails, see his grades, participate in phone-based parent-teacher conferences, get on the coaches' email/text list, etc. If ANY of those entities refuse your DH's right to information, go after the school/league. Show SS That even if you all can't be there physically, you are still there.

Bee is right. If you do this bribing thing, he'll play the system. The only way you'll get him at that point is if you can provide him EVERYTHING his heart desires. Then he won't be genuine; he'll only care about you all for gifts.

You all are going to have to realize that he is going to be a part-time family member. He WILL miss things. He is going to hear about fun things he missed, and you'll hear about fun things BM does with him when you all aren't around. It's not like he is going to be stuck in a pruson cell when not with you. He is living a life with vacations, adventures, movie nights, etc. All because those moments aren't with you doesn't mean he doesn't have them.

I know you are hurting badly, but you're going to hurt this kid putting him in the middle of this parental time tug of war. He has no real options. He does what his parents tell him, and what the court orders. Making him think he has an option and his opinion matters and will change anything is cruel. Stop it.

justmakingthebest's picture

His opinion does matter. BM spun her verison of "his opinion" in court and has almost cut FDH out. Under normal circumstances, I agree with what y'all are saying but this is sooooo far from normal. Hell, we can't even get a straight answer from BM on where SS lives!!! We know where he lives, but that isn't what BM says. And whatever BM says is gold. 

I guess what we should do is not back down or change the dates. Request to see SS one more time while we are there. When she doesn't answer again, go ahead and file for change of visitation. And go at this again in court. Making sure that SS will be there by formally requesting it in paperwork and show that SS is being bribed away from time with us. Maybe it will make a difference. I guess he is just going to miss his brothers graduation- which is stupidly shitty. Maybe, just maybe the judge will see it that way too.