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Is this normal? (SS5 behavior/thought processing)

SteppingUp's picture

I think I've finally nailed the primary issue that seems to be the root of everything behavior-related in my SS5. Has anyone ever dealt with this? To what extent is this normal? --- (I also want to say, I do understand that he may not be that good yet at processing multiple-step instructions, but I hope I can express here what I mean, that it's MORE than just that.)

If SS5 has a thought or idea in his head, he cannot stray from that idea. If any instruction is given during that process, it simply doesn't register. Let me give examples:

- Last winter, he was a slow poke one morning and DH was home. I left with DS, and told SS that "I'm leaving now, so I'm not late for work. Daddy will have to bring you to daycare." He ended up freaking out, leaving the house and attempting to chase me down the snowy street (without me knowing), a stranger found him and picked him up. My husband ended up having to chase him down and explain what happened to these people! SS had literally not processed the 2nd part of what I said.

- A simple example from this morning: All SS has to do is get dressed (I pick out his clothes otherwise it takes way too long), and brush his teeth. He ran past me up the stairs and I said, "Did you brush your teeth yet, SS?" No response, kept going, holding his Hulk mask. I repeated it. Non responsive to me. He proceeds to go over to his sister and try to scare her with the mask.

- One recent evening, SS was blowing bubbles in his glass of milk through the straw. I wasn't too concerned with it at first but he started getting too over the top. So I said "Easy now, let's be done with doing that." He looked at me as if he understood. But kept blowing. I said, "SS? Did you hear? Please stop that now and eat your dinner." He continued to look at me, pause, and continue. I said, "Can you hear me? I asked you to stop and you're still doing it?" And he didn't stop. I sent him to a time out with the brief explanation that he wasn't listening. After time out we did the whole, "What should you say?" (sorry for __) and he couldn't even tell me what he'd done wrong. He said, Sorry for not eating? It was like he hadn't even processed the entire conversation I had with him that led to that.

- This past spring we went swimming and he went to the bathroom. When I went to check on him because he was taking awhile, I couldn't find him. We had 3 adults scouring the place calling out for him. All along he WAS in a stall, totally clueless to the world (I hadn't seen his feet underneath the stall bc he was holding them up off the floor). I asked him what he was doing - he was counting dots on the ceiling, of course. Hadn't heard anyone calling his name although we each had to have been just feet from him numerous times.

- Among these examples there are so many small ones...he still has accidents because he is playing and in the zone...he does not register a car coming down the street while everyone is yelling to "wait!" (scary!), and if he gets mad at his sibling for something and we see him wind up to hit, and catch it in time to say no, don't hit, it's like he can't help himself, he has to hit, even if it's just a tap. He had the idea so it HAS to happen.

- Practicing writing, you ask him to spell his name (which he knows how to do)... he spells the first letter. Then we say the next letter. He is already writing the first letter over and over and over again, down the line. He had already decided he wants to write that letter, did not register the 2nd instruction.

- Rough housing with his sister the other night I loudly proclaimed "That's enough! DO NOT TOUCH HER." and literally a moment later he is climbing on her. I say, "What did I just say?" --"I don't know..."

I know a lot of this also sounds like negative attention seeking behavior, and some defiance. But my main concern is that nearly every time he gets in trouble for something, he can't even tell us why he's in trouble...what happened to cause him to get in trouble. We have made sure we are VERY clear about our warning system, and our instruction on why he's in time out. Always telling him right before he goes to time out why he's going there. It's like he's not even processing our instruction or our warning not to do something or anything afterwards.

Suggestions/comments appreciated... Is this normal? I know sometimes ADHD/ADD has that, right - more like selective attention?

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AwesomeGal's picture

My BS and SS both have ADD/ADHD and we finally realized that my DH has it as well. Yes, sometimes they don't hear the second part of the sentence and sometimes they focus too much on one thing. The focussing too much on one thing was one reason why we did not pick up on the ADD with SS (oldest) at first because we figured that if the kid could focus that much, he could not be ADD. We were wrong.

I would suggest you have the kid checked out. See if the pediatrician has any ideas/suggestions. If there is a real problem, then identifying it helps tremendously! Could be ADD, ODD, a hearing problem, or a discipline problem or any number of things. If he is in daycare, it would be interesting to see if the providers there have noticed the same problems and ask if they have found a way to deal with it.

One time, SS rolled his eyes are me. I sent him to his room. "Why?" he asked and even looked very sincere. I said that he had to stay in his room for 15 minutes. If after that 15 minutes are up, he could tell me why he was sent to his room, he could leave. If he could not tell me why he was sent to his room, there was another 5 minutes. After that 5 minutes, I asked again and miraculously Moses would come down from the mountain and revealed to him that he had rolled his eyes are me and that is why he was sent to his room. That worked to cut down on his behavior somewhat, but we never really got him under control until we figured out he had ADD/ADHD with high impulsivity. Vyvanse, reading up on ADD/ADHD, consistency, etc. all helped but only after we figured out what was wrong with the kid. Then, when my BS started exhibiting similar behaviors, we recognized it immediately. Good luck!

IronRose's picture

Yeah. Sounds like ADD to me, as well. Sounds just like SD12 from 8 until now, though she also has a cognitive disability as well. ODD is usually an off-shoot of ADD/ADHD and very common with FASD kids.

arjuna79's picture

auditory processing disorder. these kids cannot hear you and look at you at the same time. cannot stick the meaning of what they are hearing. get an idea going in their minds and that's it. This is different that ADD.

giveitago's picture

How about...
'I need you to close your eyes and pay attention to what I am saying' then ask 'What did you understand from what I said?' and see what the correlations are?
SD has ADHD ODD and emerging borderline personality disorder, it's been a total nightmare and it's not over yet by any means! SD is now 19 and she has chosen a lifestyle of easy money and bad company. Birds of a feather flock together, right?
She keeps crying wolf with this boyfriend/pimp and saying he's beating her, we take her out and she wants to go back?! There's nothing we can do and it's heart breaking to see such a beautiful, intelligent, girl go down that road. Her twin brother is similarly afflicted but not diagnosed...he's smart enough NOT to get caught out, which is more scary actually! It means he's a bigger sociopath?
There are so many disorders being recognized and diagnosed and I hope they can find coping strategies for ALL of them!

B22S22's picture

I have to agree with some of the others -- my DS12 is severely ADD. When I have to talk to him about something, he becomes VERY focused on one part of the conversation and one part only... then tends to ruminate on that one part. He's also very "black and white" -- can't give him an example, because instead of applying the example to his own situation, he tells me how that example doesn't apply to him (example -- the story about the boy who cried wolf, DS would say, "But I didn't cry wolf. And I really don't think there are any wolves around this part of the country)

He's getting a lot better as he gets older.

bt-sped-gf's picture

He's most likely got ADD. When you are talking to him, if possible, a hand on the shoulder or a simple touch can help get his attention. Also, make him 1)stop, 2) look at you 3) REPEAT the directions. Seriously, touching gently snaps them right out of their "zone"