More of my complaining
Most of you know SS is having friend issues. I wanted to know if about 100 texts in two days between bios seem normal, all it is is them bitching back and forth, all about SS ,but there is no resolve? Is this a normal parent problem and I shouldn't care about the texting?
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Of course that is not normal. Especially when they didn't solve
Of course that is not normal. Especially when they didn't solve the problem. Your SO is getting something out of all this communication w/BM. He wants it, or he wouldn't do it.
Yeah, that's excessive. XH
Yeah, that's excessive. XH and I are close friends, actively coparent DD10, care for his dad together, and we co-own two businesses. We don't exchange that many messages unless something is REALLY blowing up. And we definitely wouldn't discuss something like DD's "friend issues" to that extent.
Nope not normal
Nope not normal
Even when is is 100% about
Even when is is 100% about the child? I want to know how it is not normal when we are in therapy. He is going to say it is all about SS and I don't know how to get my point across. The therapist is going to think I am the bad guy.
If your therapist is going to think you are the "bad guy" becaus
If your therapist is going to think you are the "bad guy" because you are upset about your SO exchanging 100 texts with his ex over one problem with their child, you need a new therapist. Honestly, if it was that big a deal, they should have actually talked about it instead of texting. It could have been resolved much quicker. It is not normal to exchange that many texts about any one subject with anyone - at least in my world.
She has been trying to call
She has been trying to call him. He answered once and it was a 15 minute call. No resolution. He hasn't picked up the phone any other time.
Efficient communication doesn
Efficient communication doesn't require endless chatter. There is only one justification for back and forth texts and that is if they resolve a problem. That is not the case here. There's not a lot they can do about SS's lack of friends at his.
IMO, what your DH and his ex are doing is essentially gossiping about their son.
My DH doesn't send 100 texts
My DH doesn't send 100 texts to BM in a year. I can't imagine that many in two days. They can't solve SS's friend problems for him - I can't even imagine the contents of those texts.
I scimmed through them and
I scimmed through them and like Winterglow said , it was gossiping about their son.His attitude, the way he plays ball, the way he talks to people on and on.At one point she even blamed SO for all of it. Like he is a deadbeat who does nothing for the kids. He ignored that she even made that comment and kept texting. And then I get to hear how behind SO is a work.Well yes you are if you are texting this much.
So.. it was 100 texts.. were
So.. it was 100 texts.. were those 100 HE sent.. or was it a mix of he sent/she sent? and if so.. how many did she send.. and how many did HE send?
I guess he falls into the trap of wanting to have the last word.. texts are easier I guess because you don't have to "face the other person" in the same way. a text can also be done very quickly..
I mean.. lets say that it takes 30 seconds for a text. that is like a total time of 50 minutes.. total.. so it's not necessarily the time suck but perhaps being upset about the issue at hand is making him less productive?
In the grand scheme of things.. they probably would cover the same ground in 100 texts in one or two conversations.. each text is one person's point.. that will be countered in a discussion.. would you prefer they met to talk about the son personally? I'm guessing not..
Part of the problem here is that they aren't communicating effectively.. and THAT is the problem that is leading to the multiples of texts.. when she starts blaming him for all the ills of his son's life. he has to learn a way to shut it down and not continue to engage in that with her. She is saying it to get a rise.. because she is frustrated.. because she wants to strike out at someone.
Based on what you have posted here in the past.. I think both his parents have had a healthy influence on him being a spoiled and entitled teen.. and that is probably not the kind of attitude that is going to gain you friends.
AND... teens go through these kinds of interpersonal and social upheavals.. they break up with friends.. they form new alliances.. as they figure out more about themselves.. it's a learning lesson for some too. If you are being cut out.. examine the situation.. did you contribute? or are they people you would rather not be associated with anyway? His parents can be sympathetic but they can't necessarily fix the situation for him.
I do think that therapy is a moot issue for you though.. because there is almost no level of contact you would be happy with.. and certainly 100 texts is a lot.. but the parents feel they are in some crisis.. and they aren't thinking 100% straight on that wavelength.. and he will listen.. change for a few days maybe then something else will come up.. that he will have to be involved in and you will be mad again?
Because you have zero tolerance for their BS. You are hurt, angry and raw to it all.. and there is going to be about zero chance that any amount of therapy is going to resolve or improve anything.. I mean.. you both went before.. and he flatly ignored what the therapist told him.. why would this be any different?
Your husband likes catering to his kid. He likes the communication from BM about his kid because it makes him feel involved in his son's life. He resents you trying to minimize that contact.. this has zero to do with kid talent. or even bm wanting him back (I don't think she does).. it has to do with a guy that truly believes and enjoys being a father in this way.. and that is absolutely contrary to the kind of man you want to be with.
So.. you can waste more time and money on therapy.. which isn't going to change a thing.. or you can get your plans moving to get out..
My kids were 5 and 9 when I
My kids were 5 and 9 when I met my DH.. now 21 years later.. I don't think that they exchanged 100 texts in the entirety of our relationship.. lol.
My SO had an aversion to contacting his EX.. he would actually usually communicate through his kids re pickups etc.. since he talked to THEM daily.
SO does talk to his kids
SO does talk to his kids everyday. They just don't tell him anything. He basically can only get yes and no out of them. They never have real conversations. And since there is no CO in order to see which parent can do the running they text almost daily. I mean SS has something every day. Now with the issue with this friends thing it is out of control.
It's not normal to have 100
It's not normal to have 100 texts... if something needs that much communication a a couple phone calls should be what happens.. pick up the phone.. stop the petty sniping texts back and forth imho
is she/he using their son as
is she/he using their son as an excuse to keep in contact?
I think she will bring up
I think she will bring up anything and everything about the kids to communicate with him. He rarely takes a phone call anymore . I know I can't control what she does but he doesn't have a backbone and honestly maybe he enjoys it to a point . I just complain and complain on here.
If BM isn't explicitly asking
If BM isn't explicitly asking a question, then he doesn't need to respond. She is trying to keep him engaged in an ongoing conversation and your DH complies.
There is a HUGE difference
There is a HUGE difference between chatting and decision making. If they are discussing finding a therapist, counseling, communication logs from teacher/school etc. then I would definitely say that is warranted.
If they are "chatting" about SK with no resolve, then no, it's not normal and not necessary. Why can't he chat with you? It's obvious he CHOOSES to chat with BM. He enjoys it otherwise he wouldn't keep engaging.
DH despises having to communicate with BM and avoids at all costs. Very RARELY is it a phone call. He prefers texts to keep everything in writing. If BM doesn't ask a question and she's just carrying on, he replies "okay" and leaves it at that. No extra communication needed if there aren't decisions involved. Different houses, different opinions, different dynamics. End of story.
I have tried to avoid
I have tried to avoid speaking to him about SS because he won't have anything to do with my opinion and all it does is add unnecessary stress to me. They aren't finding anything out about what really happened with SS and his friends. It is just back and forth complain about it.
So
You read "" At one point she even blamed SO for all of it. Like he is a deadbeat who does nothing for the kids. He ignored that she even made that comment and kept texting. "". This is not useful it's like a fight between married people. This is not appropriate. He should not be in this type of conversation with his old sexual partner.
So
You read "" At one point she even blamed SO for all of it. Like he is a deadbeat who does nothing for the kids. He ignored that she even made that comment and kept texting. "". This is not useful it's like a fight between married people. This is not appropriate. He should not be in this type of conversation with his old sexual partner.
This is pure codependant
This is pure codependant bullshit. Your SO is at least as much of the problem as BM is.
Time for it to stop. Not just reduce. Stop.
He needs to grow a pair, shove BM in her hole, take zero contact from her other than via a very structured communication plan, and end this Skid butt sniffing and being BM's bitch.
What happened between SS and his "friends" is a waste of time to even consider. The problem is that mommy and daddy are kid butt sniffing failed parents. No need to dig deeper than than that MHO.