childfree...
Hi. I've been reading here a while but this is my first blog, I guess my intro?
I'm 38 and childfree. I have never had nor wanted kids, I've been careful and planned not to my whole life. I just have never had any interest in them
I am seeing a man my age who has an 8 year old son eow. His mom is kinda dumb but not crazy- and she does ok raising him. He is relatively polite, hyper a bit and disgusting in the way most kids are, but not obnoxious as far as I can tell.
(I've only spent a few days here and there with him)
My boyfriend (the Mister) isn't really a kids-come-first guy. He did not want children but when she got pregnant he told her to do what she wanted to do; they were married only a few years and this was at the end of their relationship. He has made it kinda clear to me that her having a kid just broke them up faster.
She has been married once since then (and is getting divorced now actually, from that guy) and he has had one other fairly serious relationship (THAT one was a bit nutty to say it mildly). He's pretty quiet, and he kind of goes along with stuff...he was convinced by nagging and demands to get married (he says he did love her but wouldn't have done that if she'd allowed him to be with her and not, if you know what I mean); same goes for having the SS.
At any rate they have a really loose agreement and as far as I know no court orders or official custody beyond her full custody and him EOW. They split the summer (but he gets one month and she gets two)
I've been reading here and now I'm writing here because, well, I don't like children in general and have no interest in them really. It's not too bad having SS around yet, but I can see the seeds of some stuff that bothers me or could be an issue later on. Most of it stems from my unwillingness to be a step parent.
I don't live with the Mister, but we have talked about it. I work fulltime and he is retired (veteran) so me being some kind of babysitter would not be the issue, it's just having a kid in my house at all is kind of a strange idea, and I'm not too sure if I am ok with it.
I have more to ask and talk about but I am a bit tired after working a long day and I just wanted to introduce myself. Hi everyone!
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Doesn't sound to me like you
Doesn't sound to me like you should be involved with someone who has a child, atleast not seriously. My advice would be if you want to continue dating this man, don't marry & keep your own place. That way you have a choice to spend time with his son if you want but not obligated to. Maybe one day you'll feel differently, he sounds like a nice kid who comes from a good mother, which is a blessing as a step mom!
yeah she is very interested
yeah she is very interested in her kid. which makes it easier on me- I wouldn't even have dated him at all if he was all gungho-I-need-my-child-daily or something. he is less interested than she is, which suits me fine
I don't know yet if I will live with him or not. I do know he pays child support but it's not what seems like a lot to me- like 400 a month- to me that seems pretty normal kid-cost but I have no way of knowing.
If I did decide to move in with him it'd be to save on rent money
How are you planning to save
How are you planning to save on rent money? I mean, you still plan to split the household costs right?
I say dont do it, until you know absolutely everything about him and his relationship.
Now that she is single she might require more CS , you know, for support. You might get up with something you havent bargaind for...
Just imagine EOW your house not being your own. You not having your peace and TV. You not being able to do something, or go somewhere, simply because his kid is there.
also they don't talk- he is
also they don't talk- he is not at her beck and call now. her more recent husband I think fills that role }:)
joanie, I too was never
joanie, I too was never interested in children - I think I told my mother so about 3 years before I even met my husband. I also convinced him to get snipped when I was 33 - so no kids for us.
Turns out that I deal pretty well with being a female role model to a teenager. It helps A LOT that she's a sweet girl who is smart and actually listens.
What are your issues? Lack of discipline on his part? Just the weirdness of having a child in the house? I know it's really strange to have to put a child's needs first, when you've been living either on your own or with another adult who can take care of himself.
Like everybody else, I urge you to take it slow. Don't jump in, don't get financially dependent on his household. Have that escape route.
Good luck!
thank you SO MUCH for this
thank you SO MUCH for this link! so much good stuff there.
I like the poster that says she isn't a stepmother; she is childfree and her husband has a kid. There's a lot there to absorb, thanks tons
The Kid in my case already has a perfectly serviceable mother. From all my reading here that, along with my Mister's disinterest in her, are good signs.
I'm not a "kid centric
I'm not a "kid centric person" either by nature and neither were my parents. Definitely NOT the coochie coo type. Ironically I find some of the WORST coddling mothers of the coochie coo sort are THE worst parents as they have an inability to see past infancy in their own children and DESIRE the mother/infant bond well past the appropriate age. I have two grown children who were parented traditionally by me and thus they have respect for adults, manners, etc. that the children of coochie coo types may not have (and often do not, due to the "awwww isn't that so cuuuuuute that junior curses like a sailor" syndrome)
Some red flags here:
Loose court order/lack of court order
That needs to be buttoned up, b/c you never know when the BM, when finding out about YOU goes into Parental Alienation mode (most juvenile BMs do which is growing at an increasingly alarming rate)
You said he's not the "kids first" type; this has a double meaning. A lot of "kids first" types translate this to mean that the kids takes on a surrogate spouse personna and not that kid's needs, (food clothing shelter) come first which is what "kids first" is intended to mean.
Hopefully your BF is not the type to just dump his kid off with you so he can go hunting, fishing, etc. You'll need to find this out. Also what is his financial situation? How does he feel abou discipline issues?
Lots of stuff to consider. DO NOT MOVE IN WITH HIM. Sort all this out first. The best move would be to find yourself a nice childfree man who wants to remain childfree. A much better fit.
joanie I too am child free
joanie
I too am child free and love it, his kids visit (yes visit) and it is still difficult at times. Clearly if he had partial or full custody we would not be living together. I would definitely talk to him and have a clear understanding of boundaries and his parenting style before moving in together. Even though my guy is a wonderful man (which is the ONLY reason I tolerate a greedy Ex wife and 2 kids who have no personality) It isn't easy but if you have an understanding first it can be done. I like my privacy and do not let kids in our bedroom or use our bathroom, I prefer they use the hall bath. I also am not involved with pick ups or drop offs unless we are going somewhere and I need to go with him to take them home: I do not watch them, if he is busy then they do not come: His kids his responsibility ...so have lots of conversation before moving in together. Our situation isn't as bad as some but I still have annoyances so it isn't easy especially if you are like me and not impressed with kids or a diaper sniffer....(chuckle)
Whateva
thanks everone for
thanks everone for replying!
A little more background:
I've known the Mister for about five years. I met him through a mutual friend. we started dating in oct last year, byut had been getting closer before that for a year or so.
He knows I am not a "kid person" and I am sure wouldn't dream of asking me to babysit.
He is a disabled vet, he is capable of handling a household but doesn't work. His pension more than pays CS, rent, his bills. He has a decent nest egg as well. I make about the same pay he does, I work three or four days a week. I have an art career so my hours vary a lot, and I really love my work. He is very supportive and helpful to me...he does the housework when he is at my house, and when I'm at his...he's a decent housekeeper better at it than I am at any rate.
He is home more than I am' he doesn't go hunting or fishing or sports stuff. he's more a brainy guy; reads a lot, writes (sci-fi!) and does some woodworking stuff.
I think for me it's just the general weirdness of a kid being around at all- I am not used to it. I'm 38 and have never had a kid in my house; even ones I am related to. I live a thousand miles or so from most of my family so I see nephews and nieces and such once or twiece a year...
The Kid has only been bothersome to me once so far, and it is because he was being a fussy eater. The Mister cleans the kitchen and such so it wasn't a big deal to me- I mean sure, why the hell not, throw in a pizza.
He doesn't meet any of the red flags on the lkist for disney or guilt dads, he does tell the kid a night story every night, during which the Kid falls asleep. The Kid whined about bedtime once or twice but hell I was like that too (one more chapter pleeease)
He plays a lot of video games but will also go hiking and stuff with us. I think he doesn't know how to be alone very well but since he's visited with us at my house he seems to be learning how...the Mister has him take the dogs for a walk and tell us what he saw when he gets back, that keeps him busy for a hour or two.
I'll post more as things progress. I had a health scare this week that has made me consider moving in with the Mister, but I want to find out mroe and settle much in my mind before I take that leap.
I'm in no hurry and he isn't rushing me or anything.
Thanks everyone who replied so far, your wisdom and thoughts are so appreciated
Please be careful about
Please be careful about continuing in this relationship. It is impossible to be with a man with a young child and for it to be a serious relationship and not expect to have some involvement in the raising and caring for that child. I can understand for someone that had no interest in having children that being difficult. But you will have to sit through boring school programs alongside your BF, attend games and cheer SS on, you will have to deal with SS birthday parties, watching SS because BF has to work on something, listen to him talk about how great BM is even if you think she is a loser, listen to your BF talk about SS, any problem he is having, problems he has with BM. You could possibly be faced with legal issues, unending court cases, lawyer bills. Could be when BM finds out about you she goes off the deep end and becomes the biggest PITA you could ever imagine. What if something happens to BM – what if she gets cancer, what if she dies, what if she has a drug problem, goes to jail, has SS taken from her. What if any of that happens and SS has to LIVE 24/7 with you and BF?
I’m not saying you have to be the one to raise SS or do the physical caring for SS. But if you live with your BF or get married you will be a SM and I don’t know ONE SM that does not have a deal with the skid or the issues that come along with them at all. Being with a man with a child means being there for them and be supportive of them in their role as a father. If my DH needs to vent about BM, I’m there. If he wants me to be at SD school conference so he doesn’t have to sit there alone with BM, I’m there. If he wants to go get his hair cut on Saturday morning, I’m watching SD. If him and SD get sick, I’m tending to BOTH of them. If BM decides to go on vacation and DH takes SD – my plans are affected. When DH has to go to court, I get to be the one to listen to his fears and anxiety about it. That is ALL part of my DH’s life and I choose to be a part of it and be there for him and to support him through that.
Just remember your SS does not have a say in his living situation. He does not have a say in who his parents are, the fact they are divorced, what his parents do, say, or fight about, or who his parents date and bring into his life. He doesn’t have a choice in it – but you do. This is a child that needs to be cared for and loved by the adults in his life and not feel like a burden or unwanted or in the way.
all of that makes sense. and
all of that makes sense. and yeah he has no say in it, neither do I. if I did he wouldn't be here.
ya know?
I'm glad to hear what you have to say. I will probably be leaning on you a bit for how-to-cope!