What's even normal anymore?
I guess you could say I'm a little on edge with all the senior activities coming up that I'm not a part of but I'm just over some of this. Yesterday the skids FaceTimed DH. They talked about an hour and the entire time it was a conversation with the skids, DH and BM. She was in the room and chiming in the ENTIRE time. Skids would be telling them both stories like one big happy family. DH would talk directly to BM at times. I almost said, just hang up and drive to their house to hang out. They live in the same town as us. It's one thing to be face timing the skids but come on. Don't hang out and chit chat with your ex like y'all are one big happy family. I wish I could figure out how to be ok with this because I don't see it changing. I should have gotten up and went and done something. I was sitting right next to him the whole time because we were in the middle of watching a movie. Now this weekend I know they will all be hanging out for their family pics while I sit at home. No, I'm not going and watch them take the pics. Lol. That would be hard.
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Because they were talking
Because they were talking directly to each other, saying "mom", "dad" and DH saying BM's name, etc. it was just obvious I wasn't being talked to. They knew I was there because in the beginning I said something and that was that. They went on as if I wasn't there. And let's face it, I don't want to sit out and talk to BM like we r BFF's. I just found out last week that she has more bills in his name that went to collections and he doesn't want to say anything to her. It's hard for me to pretend to like her. I'm nice at skid activities but the last thing I want to do is hang on the phone with her just for kicks.
Yes. I posted earlier in the
Yes. I posted earlier in the week about it. It's senior family pics for the football program. SD invited mom, dad and sibling to be in the pic with her.
That is the family of the
That is the family of the sport child. Nothing wrong with that. There will be the Senior Night perhaps too, where the parents are introduced and walk out on the field with their child.
How long have you been with DH and the skids? If a long time and pretty involved in the kid's activities, sure it would be totally appropriate and nice if you were included in photo and the walk-out. But the child should not be made to feel bad or if like she's doing something wrong if she only includes her parents.
The parents divorced each other. They didn't divorce their kids. The parents have been and will always be the children's family.
But that's not to say, they need to be having these big long 'family' skype chats. That's a bit extreme. Dad and kids, fine. A few minutes perhaps to set the schedule and plan for photos tomorrow between the parents, fine. Happy family intact social hour, not ok.
Rude not to acknowledge you sitting there. Silly for you to remain sitting there like a mouse in the corner. You should have announced your presence, excused yourself and left or pinched Dad's leg until he got the clue enough was enough.
It's one thing when two parents cooperate and participate in events/necessities that involve their joint children. Children should not have to chose which parent participates nor just skip the photo due to parents being divorced...but the parents who have chosen to remarry should show respect for their new marriage partner. He needs to do the things required of a parent (sports, graduations, weddings, ect as a civilized father of the children). What he should not be doing is acting the warm fuzzy still husband to the mother of those children.
That's the difference for me. Chat inappropriate. Photo , ok. Put the kids in-between the kids in photo. It's a child's family photo of co-parents, not an in-tact happy happy couple with our kids picture.
We have been married 5 years
We have been married 5 years and I go to ALL the skids activities. I'm ok with not being included, it just stings a bit when you put yourself out there and you know you aren't getting anything in return. The phone conversation though ticked me off a bit. The conversation wasn't about schedules, etc. it was telling stories about their friends and their friends boyfriends, etc etc. nothing that needed to include DH and BM together. I guess I wish my DH would take up for me a little and try to include me on some things. He doesn't want to hurt skids feelings. Open house is coming up and he wants me to go. I've gone every year and this is how it goes...we walk around with ex. They run into people they went to high school together and end up talking to old friends like they are still together. I usually don't even get introduced. I'm just a fixture.
But it's not ok to spare the
But it's not ok to spare the skids fee-fees at the expense of yours. Go down below and read Daisy. Men can be totally clueless.
While he's so busy not hurting their feelings, he's totally teaching them it's perfectly ok though to hurt other people's feelings and to be rude and disrespectful.
Daisy...pound this into OP. She counts but she has to talk to her husband. If he can't see how the behavior affects his wife, his wife must honestly point it out to him.
Happycamper... you are
Happycamper... you are excluding yourself Hon.
Think about it, you and DH watch TV, skids call, they chat away with DH and BM chimes in... why do you keep quiet, why not join the conversation?
This week-end .. why aren't you going with, even if you are not in the photo's... I would simply join in everything to piss off the skids and BM... currently they enjoy you with drawing, no one is forcing you, you are doing it all on your own.
Now get your self sexy looking and simply go with DH this week-end, be confident, hell interfere int he photo's, say no skid 1 stand here, skid 2 stand there... oh wait parents are divorced, Mum left, Dad right with skids in the middle..... be a bitch and say.. hey we are one big happy family what about a picture with BM her current partner, you, DH and all the kids lol...
I swear it's the only way you will win this... put yourself in the middle of everything....
I've done it before and it was awesome lol....... yes I hate my precious lovely Aergia and her mother, but just to mess with them was worth it, and know what my SO was so happy and accused his daughter and BM of being rude and bitches to me, since I clearly showed no hard feelings towards them and willing to make friends }:)
mean time I was picturing them with forks in their eyes, drawling like trolls, and I was deeply inlove with SO.. pissing them more off...
play the game Hon play the game.
Lol! I've got to figure out
Lol! I've got to figure out how to do it!!! I want to be better at the game. I am one of those quiet people and I wear my heart on my sleeve. I would go and end up being quiet and feeling left out because believe me, they make sure not to make me feel included. I need to get stronger!!!
yes yes I know your type
yes yes I know your type lol....
there must be something that relaxes you a bit, glass of wine.. only one for starters... and then just head storm the thing, first time will not be easy, you have to keep certain things in mind, it's going to be pure hell and hard.
1. Remember to breath
2. Pretend not to hear skids or BM
3. Be close to DH at all times, touch his arm, hold his hand, kiss him on the cheek what ever affection you can show.
4. Remember, they've been doing it to you for years, it's pay back time bitches
5. Remember to look at their reaction - this alone will give you pleasure
it helps to look at BM straight in the eyes... look through the cow... she will start feeling uncomfortable first... that alone will give you courage to go further and further... after you succeed in the first round of the game... it gets easier cause you relax more and you are more confident...
I know I said this on your
I know I said this on your other post, but I think you really need to speak to DH about this. He's a man and probably doesn't even realize that all of this is upsetting you. Men are obtuse when it comes to these types of things. I would explain to him, just as you have to us, that it hurts your feelings a bit that you are supportive of skids and go to all their games etc and that you are being left out of picture day.
As far as the Face-timing? Well that's just more annoying and I agree, with Acra.. you should just chime in. If you think their purpose is to exclude you, then by all means INCLUDE yourself. Was there some big event that took place or is taking place that they needed to face-time when you see them often and they live close by??
And hell to the no would I be hanging out at home while they play happy family for picture day. If you talk to your DH and he blows you off, then so be it, but damn it lady you go!! And you act like it doesn't bother you in the least because IF that is their intention don't give them the satisfaction!
I would just tell him it
I would just tell him it bothered me. A couple years ago, my husband started skyping BM for SD's benefit because she only sees her mom once a year in the summer. The first time he spent an hour on skype with her, I walked away and cried because all I could hear was the 3 of them happily talking lol. Once he was done he was devastated to find how much it upset me, but he explained how he needed to do it for SD's sake since she missed her mom and couldn't work the computer alone at 3 years old lol.
Long story short, he understood that it wasn't fair to me and it made me really uncomfortable so now he includes me EVERY time him and SD skype with her. I actually opt out most of the time now because it's so boring sitting there with a fake smile talking to BM lol, but at least he comes and grabs me every single time he's about to call or skype her with SD.
I might have taken that time
I might have taken that time to vacuum.
I was sitting right next to him the whole time because we were in the middle of watching a movie.
First of all, that was rude of him to begin with. It's not like they live far away and he never sees them, they live in the same town. Rude.
I just found out last week
I just found out last week that she has more bills in his name that went to collections and he doesn't want to say anything to her.
WTF? I just read this and NO. You've been married for 5 years, so safe to assume they have not been together for at least?? 7 years or so?? Why the f*ck does he "not want to say anything to her"??? I'm beginning to wonder, why the hell they even got divorced to begin with since they are best buddies and all Face-timing, having family photos and continue to have credit cards/bills together???
Ugh, now I'm really ticked off for you. This is not acceptable and you need to say so stat
Well I have talked to him and
Well I have talked to him and even cried. When we were first together I feel like my feelings were important. Now I feel like he's got daddy guilt and his kids trump everything. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, don't say a word to them in fear of hurting feelings. He's a different person when they are around. They say over and over again that he's a jokster and hilarious. That's only to their benefit. There was a time he would have fought for my feelings. Not anymore. I'm praying it gets better one day. Skids aren't babies anymore either. They are old enough to know better. 14 and 17. As far as the bills, BM's house is even in his name. She's always late paying it too so she's ruined his credit. He won't push for her to get it out of his name even though it's in the divorce decree because he doesn't want to upset skids. He wants to wait till they are grown and out of the house. !!! She had had things in his name repossessed and we have had to pay. Just so many things in this dynamic. I don't know how he can even be around her and play so nice.
Why does she have bills still
Why does she have bills still in his name? Why won't he do anything about it? He needs to get that taken care of, pronto!
Because he won't say anything
Because he won't say anything to ex in fear of hurting the kids. The other day he said he didn't want it to interfere with them having a good school year. He literally lives his life around their feelings. BM can get away with anything. For example, he assumed BM doesn't want me in the family pic but he won't say anything because he doesn't want to upset SD. Everything is all about keeping the peace on that end even if it creates conflict on our end. Everything and I mean everything is in my name here because he won't ever get his credit rectified with what she keeps doing. If he walked away tomorrow, I am the one screwed.
My DH is a nice, laid back
My DH is a nice, laid back guy. When BM kicked him out (he made sure it was the LAST time) he did not touch their checking account (which was half his) because of the kids (one was not even his).
He did not want his name on anything with hers, but the bank would not take it off without BM's consent. She kept telling him she would do it but it never got done. He hated confrontation with her because she is an absolute bitch and always brought the kids into it.
But enough was enough and he finally told her that if she didn't get his name off of it by the end of that day, he was taking everything out of the account and there was not squat she could do about it. He was very calm, very direct, and very serious. His name was off of that account when he called the bank a couple of hours later.
There are times to play nice and there are times to stand up for himself, and for you. He should not cripple his life (and yours) because he has kids with the ex. BM needs to take care of her own financial business and he needs to separate that from "hurting the kids" in his mind. That is no way to live.
I would have never married him with all of THAT baggage. Kids and an ex are one thing, ruining me financially, is another.
Good grief, I remember having
Good grief, I remember having a conversation with DH once when he was spewing his "it's for the skid" nonsense, when he was really in fact just kowtowing to BM. DH told me that when was SS was a baby (he and BM were never married and split shortly after SS was born) that he bought all of SS diapers, formula, clothes, groceries for BM etc because "it was for SS" , he told me he bought BM a car "because it was for SS", he told me he let BM move in with him and gave her the bedroom of his one bedroom apartment while he slept on the floor in the laundry room "because it was for SS"
After he and I met, he had simmered down some with the kowtowing, but was still doing things. like when we were dating and DH and I had a golf date and he called me to cancel because BM and her BF were going to some amusement park and her car broke down and she called DH and wanted him to drive over an hour a way to pick her and her BF and BF kids and SS up. DH was going to do it! I said WTF? He said it was "for SS" because he didn't want him sitting on the side of the road. I said she doesn't have ANYONE else she can call??? Friends, family, etc???? He said no, I said bullshit. She just calls you because she knows you'll drop everything and be her servant just like you've always done. I told him since he could justify EVERYTHING being for SS... why not start wiping BM's ass but claim "it's for SS!!" after all you wouldn't want SS to have a BM with a stinky ass right?? Why not start cooking her dinner but claim it's for SS! after all you wouldn't want SS to have a mediocre dinner experience right??
I almost walked away from him that day. I told him it was clear to me that BM was always going to come first and I couldn't be in a relationship with him AND his ex. When I hung up with him, he was still planning on going to get her. I was planning on going to ride my horses and move on with my life. 10 minutes later he called and said he was NOT going to get her and that I was right, that she was just using him etc. and *gasp* guess what??? She found someone else to come and get her!!! And DH and I kept our golf date and had a wonderful time.
Unfortunately it's rather doubtful that your DH is going to change his ways, since he's been operating this way for 17 years now. I guess you just have to decide what you're OK with and stick it out for the next 4 years or so?
here's to hoping that once
here's to hoping that once the kids are grown a lot of this junk is over with. The days we don't deal with all of that are awesome and then there are days like SD 17 needs to get her car in the garage but the garage is messy and DH offers to go help clean it up!WTF. First of all, a 17 year old can clean by themselves and secondly go clean BM's garage??? Yeah...he got an earful on that one and needless to say he didn't do it. Before skid could drive there was a time he went to pick them up. Mind you they live right up the road and it took him over 2 hours. BM gave them cleaning chores and they weren't done so he was in her house helping to clean it before they came over! I just need to get away from living in the same city as BM.
OMG!!!! I don't know how
OMG!!!! I don't know how you've done it! That is a whole lot of sheer and utter ridiculousness!! :O