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ExhaustedByItAll's picture

Hello fellow stepparents, I am a long time reader and this is my first blog.

It’s really sad how many of your stories hit home with mine and DH’s. That there are so many of us dealing with high conflict, alienating, gaslighting, narcissistic, abusive, controlling, deranged, psychopathic, pathological lying, money whoring, malicious BMs (did I miss any adjectives? Because all of those are our BM!), not to mention their alienated, entitled and generally messed up offspring.

I’m so glad I found this site. It is crazy trying to explain crazy to people who haven’t been through it, so I’ve stopped trying.

DH was married to BM for about 3 years, they have now been divorced for 10 years, and they have SDteen and SStween. 

DH and I got together 7 years ago, we’re married and have a Toddler together.

BM ceased contact the day DH introduced me to the kids - we had been together over a year at that point. Never mind she was remarried and already had another child with the now ex-husband #2. The alienation began hardcore at that point. She had the kids calling ex #2 daddy, started calling DH by his first name, when toddler came along, toddler (newborn baby at the time) was “NOT OUR SIBLING!!” But the usual alienation followed, DH became the worst person on the planet, in the skids eyes, we are liars, we are horrible people who want to take them away from their mother. We have been through the entire family court journey, BM invented multiple mental illnesses for DH complete with backstories! She also accused him of domestic violence, so for 3 years he had supervised visitation and when all of it was proven to be lies that she invented, did anything happen to her, was there any kind of justice, did she have to repay us for the supervisor? Of course not. And she told the kids all of the lies she told to the court which just compounds things even more. DH got kids EOW and half school vacation times.

Since then, we have endured an almost constant stream of emails and text messages full of more false accusations, gaslighting, allegations that we are emotionally and psychologically abusing the kids, thinly veiled threats to cease contact, demands to change the court orders, demands for more money, threats to go back to court, you get the idea, though probably 90% of the emails are about the almighty $$. DH ignores most emails and only responds to things that he has to, and I am sent all emails so that DH and I are on the same page. 

We have had the police come to the house 6 times in the past year to do welfare checks on the kids, courtesy of BM, we are treated like criminals by the police, who knows what she tells them. She gets the kids wound up, screaming and crying on the phone and then calls the cops.

We have good weeks and bad weeks with the kids, unfortunately the  good weeks are becoming few and far between. They turn up and it’s nothing but negative, everything we do and say is wrong, it is a constant barrage of rude, disrespectful back talk and shitty attitudes, “you’re lying! You’re a liar!” I got that because I told SD she couldn’t be at school at 8am, the school is closed and she can’t go in and I’m not leaving her on the side of the road, she says I lie about everything. SStween has to constantly be entertained or he becomes destructive and he cannot be left alone in a room with Toddler. He has intentionally hurt Toddler in the past and if he gets angry or frustrated will hit, pinch and smack Toddler. He makes a mess of the house, and goes into a rage if you even ask him to do his homework. He is failing third grade, was already held back in first grade (BM blamed this on DH and the court case). BM will not agree to SS seeing a counselor. I had recently disengaged from him completely but had to somewhat re-engage due to circumstances, I’ve really tried with him over the past 6 years but I’m done wasting my time and energy. SDteen is a straight C student in 7th grade, she half-asses everything only doing enough to call it done. This applies to everything else she does in life as well. DH makes them both read and do homework while they are here, but they do nothing at BMs house other than YouTube and video games. Neither of them are athletes and BM won’t sign them up for anything that happens on a weekend because she wants to spend her weekends out of town at her parents’ beach house with whatever guy she’s with at the moment.

As for the good weeks we do have, there are times when both SS and SD can be very sweet and loving to Toddler and SD to me as well, they will be nice to DH and it’s almost like the alienation isn’t happening. As I said though, those weeks are becoming fewer and fewer.

I fully expect them to be completely PAS’d out in the next few years, BM has told them both once they are in high school the court orders don’t apply anymore and they can decide if they want to come here or “be with her”. We have been trying to do what we can for that not to happen, but at the same time, we have rules, boundaries and we will not go Disney dad. What kind of example would that set for Toddler? Needless to say, the phrase, “Im not coming here anymore when I'm in high school!” Is heard frequently when they don’t get what they want.

What has finally brought me to post is what’s happened in the last few months. Things have gone from ok and manageable, to bad, to worse, and I just don’t see it getting better.

DH had a medical emergency, it isn’t terminal, but it wasn’t minor either. He will be back to 100% in a few months. We had skids that weekend. I picked them up from school, we went to see DH in the hospital, they know what’s going on and they were ok. BM lost her ever loving sh!t because DH didn’t tell her he was in hospital and of course if he can’t personally look after them then the kids shouldn’t be here, cue the abusive emails and text messages! Just what he needed! He ignored those. Skids were ok, overall pretty well behaved for me, kind to Toddler, no blowups from SS, I called it a win. I also really chose my battles because I was terrified, stressed beyond belief and trying not to lose it at any given moment. 

Flash forward 2 weeks, I pick the skids up from school again, DH is home from the hospital, I remind them he needs to rest and be calm, don’t ask him to do things for you right now, he can’t carry anything, be nice to your dad, etc. They were fine in the car, happy stories of what they were doing in school, asked me if DH was ok, but the moment we walked in the front door it was like a switch flipped. The negative and sh!tty attitudes kicked in and it was the weekend from hell. Nothing but back talk, rude, disrespectful, screaming at DH, me, SS pinched toddler while I was dealing with SD, I had to tell DH to go in our bedroom, take Toddler with him and lock the door to get away from them. SS was throwing and breaking things, like seriously, WTF happened in the time we didn’t see you to cause this? 

I would finally get things calmed down then BM is calling them and it starts all over again when they get off the phone. We have court orders for phone calls, we can’t stop them. I was waiting for the police to show up but fortunately they didn’t, at least I got that reprieve.

I dropped them to school that Monday and we didn’t hear a peep from BM or skids between then and the next weekend. BM didn’t answer the phone when DH tried to make his court ordered phone calls to the kids. Unfortunately the next weekend was almost an exact repeat only this time I took Toddler out for the days and left them home with DH. He said it was a nightmare and he had to ignore them most of the time so he didn’t get too stressed out. Same again though, haven’t heard a peep from any of them until today. DH gets a call from a mediator, BM has a laundry list of things she wants to change in the court orders and DH has to go to mediation to say no. We are guessing she will try to open a new court case since DH won’t agree to her demands in mediation and she’s going to try to claim some change in circumstances due to his health.

With DH’s health issues and how awful things have been with skids over the past few months (my weekend alone with them was a 1 off ok one), do we continue with this madness and stress and all this bullish!t on ourselves, on them, or do we just give up and stop trying to have a relationship with them? What happens with Toddler? Despite how they treat Toddler sometimes, Toddler loves them asks about them all the time and misses them when they’re not here.

DH hasn’t come to grips with losing them yet despite how awful they treat him. They haven’t even told him they love him in over 5 years, except when they’re trying to manipulate him to get something (which he doesn’t bite to and tells them off for). I have no doubt they will be PAS’d out in a few years, but I can’t take this every other week for that long.

Have any of your SO’s said enough’s enough? Have they decided to stop seeing their kids as opposed to the kids/BM making the decision? Did they close the door permanently? What were the effects on your family? How is your SO coping with that decision?

I get it, if the kids decide, then they’re the ones who have to live with that decision. I’m just picturing years of this ahead and I don’t know if I or DH can deal with that and how it may impact Toddler.

And if you made it through all of that, thank you, I know this was a really long rant but I had to get it out!

Comments

Wilhelm's picture

Sorry to say I think to give up is probably the best option for you , DH and the skids. I am watching a high conflict relationship between a close friend who is the grandfather of a child he looked after daily from burth while the mother worked as a travelling saleswoman. She  is fighting tooth and nail to stop the father and grandfather from having any visitation. The child looks like she is stuck in the middle of a hopeless situation.

My DH stepped back when BM caused us multiple problems. I thought he did the wrong thing at the time but now years down the track I can see it was the best thing for his health and the children who were being used as weapons of war!

strugglingSM's picture

You're in a no win situation. Your BM sounds borderline and someone who is borderline can be impossible to deal with, if they are not receiving treatment. If your DH gives up, he will be vilified for giving up, but he's being vilified now and doesn't really have a relationship with his kids, so maybe removing the drama would be worth it. I imagine he would go through some pretty serious grieving. Being a dad to children you share with an abuser is a pretty complex thing. In my case, BM pulled a lot of the same things, but had to stop just short because she needs a break from her kids, so she needs DH's "babysitting" services. Still, at one point DH told me he was over the drama and "didn't care" if overly dramatic SS (who is enmeshed with BM) stopped coming to our house. Then he went to counseling with SS and cried about how he felt like he was going to lose SS. DH is not a crier, so I think his emotions at the counselor's office were real. BM still PA's both kids, but one is getting wise to her and often points things out to his brother. She's also going through another divorce right now and can't really blame that on DH, so the kids are seeing that many of her troubles are self-created.

ExhaustedByItAll's picture

Unfortunately in our case, her parents live next door to her, so when she needs babysitting, she has it. She has no use for DH whatsoever except as a bank account. Her agenda has always been to get 100% custody and 100% parental rights. She gets more child support, more government money and complete control over the kids. Her actions are all driven by $ and control. Don't know what will happen to the kiddos when they're not mommy's little paychecks anymore.

Wicked stepmo.'s picture

You and DH are in a no win situation and to be honest I wouldn't want to fight for the kids at this point. BM has emotionally abused them to the point where they are broken and damaged.

I know it will be hard for DH to understand. But if he keeps fighting, BM will keep emotionally manipulating these children damaging them further. If he stops fighting the emotional abuse of the children will no longer be necessary.

tog redux's picture

This is a tough one. You for sure need to stop having them there if he's not. And perhaps at next mediation he should just give BM whatever she wants within reason and let her gradually whittle away his time with them. DH and I talked a lot about stopping visits with SS, and one day shortly before SS's 15th birthday, DH got fed up and took him back early to BM's. That was the tipping point for total alienation and we didn't see him again for a year. Then he disappeared again for 2.5 years. He's back now at 21 but the damage is done. 

advice.only2's picture

So you referred to SStween in third grade.....ummm so you are saying the kid is between the ages of 10-12 and still in third grade, I'm going to go out in a limb and assume the kid has other issues aside from being PASed.

ExhaustedByItAll's picture

Yep...you got it! DH had him evaluated and so did BM, no learning difficulties or other medical conditions, like autism, ADHD, etc. have ever been identified.

The_Upgrade's picture

What an absolute mess. But the one thing you can worry less about is Toddler missing the skids. Toddlers love freely, but they also exist in the moment. We had a student boarder live with us when DD3 was a toddler aged 1-2. DD loved her to bits. And kept looking for her when her studies ended and she returned to her hometown in the countryside. But over a year has passed and with covid19 limiting catchups DD3 has moved on. She's friendly with the girl as much as she's friendly with anyone else but no absolute adoration reserved for family members anymore.  And doesn't seem to suffer for the experience. After all, all DD's needs are met, she knows she is loved and made new friends since.  Same goes for your Toddler. 

ExhaustedByItAll's picture

Thank you, that's one of my biggest worries. If she can move on too, better for all of us.

lieutenant_dad's picture

It's time for DH to continue a relationship with his children outside your home and to stop playing BM's game. If he is the NCP, then he has every right to decline visitation. BM's goal is to distrupt your home life for whatever reaso, and she's succeeding.

So, take away her ability to do that by having your DH have relationships outside your physical home. He can take them out to dinner, meet with them at a park, etc. Whenever they say "I DON'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH YOU IN HIGH SCHOOL!" he just says "okay, I won't make you even though I will love you and miss you." Stone-face, no emotion. Just matter-of-fact delivery.

BM has done a real number on these kids, and there isn't enough love in the world to fix that. As a mother, your #1 responsibility is to your child and keeping them safe, and being exposed to a kid who has purposefully hurt them is enough to end visitation in your home. If you have the means to, DH can alwayd rent an apartment elsewhere and keep them EOWE. But, honestly, dropping the rope after all of this might be the best solution.

ExhaustedByItAll's picture

It does currently look like a no win, and I don’t want to fight for these kids anymore. I had a good talk with DH last night and he would like to give it 6 months to see where things go. In his current downtime he’s looking for a family counselor for us as well. 

He plans to attend mediation, say no to everything, and if she tries to open a new court case, if it is not dismissed on day one (as it should be), at that point, he’s done. They don’t need a mediator, per their current court orders they can agree visitation and everything else via email, so he will just concede at that point. 

There is one big thing at play that I didn’t consider, namely BMs current relationship. She’s been with the current guy for about 9 months. One of two things may be occurring: either she is pregnant/they are getting engaged/married and she wants to run off and play happy family like she tried with ex #2, or they have broken up so she is working more and on the hunt for the next sucker which means skids aren’t seeing much of her, they’ll be staying with her parents a lot and competing for whatever attention they can get. Both of these would cause the behavior we’re seeing now (we’ve seen both before). My bet is she’s pregnant. It’s her MO, she was 7 months pregnant with SD when she and DH were married, 5 months pregnant with her other child when she and ex #2 were married. At any rate, like the times before, awful now, but they are still kids and they will need their dad when everything falls apart on the other side. But again, we're giving it 6 months, if things don't improve, he's calling it quits. His words, "I won't let BM or them continue to hurt all of us." So there is that.

In the meantime, Toddler and I will be doing a lot of other things on the weekends they are here. Someone said it and you’re right, it’s not my job to fix things, it is my job though to protect Toddler and myself and DH as best I can.

Mschmid02's picture

My stepsons mom has told him that his dad is trying to kill him, her, and their daughter. He has been having nightmares about this when he comes over to our house. My b.f feels defeated and unable to protect his son from his ex-wife's manipulation. My stepson has been having meltdowns due to defiance and disrespect for his dad. I am pregnant and have a 5 month old. I'm trying to figure out what would it take for cps to intervene?