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instantfamily's picture

So I'm looking back at advice given to DH on here (he hasn't been on in ages I don't think) and the advice was great, but things never got better. SD6 is still a brat; SS11 has become worse toward me. DH still yells and gets angry when there are discipline issues. I have an easier time disciplining them because I get really calm and quiet and they get "the look" and I don't really give a shit if they cry or yell. So, for the short term it will work for me. For him, they continue to push buttons and then he yells, threatens consequences, takes them to school and then is pissed off when he gets to work. Not to mention when we pick them up from school he may or may not be short tempered.

Looking forward a year and a half: the SS11 has become worse, the SD6 is still a raging brat with no end in sight. And I have a second job to support this family that's not really mine. I actually enjoyed working nights while skids were here because I'd come home and they'd be in bed. It sucks now because they are at BM's for a few more weeks and I'd like more alone time with my husband but what're you going to do?

I asked him tonight if we could let BM have them full time and we could be the PT parents and just have visits. He said no. I pushed and asked "why? they don't respect you or me. They seem to act like angels at BM's..." He said that's cause she let's them do whatever they want. I asked him what the solution was, then. He answered "well, we just have to try harder and hope they will get better". This is where things went downhill:

I asked DH how that was going to happen and he said "by doing the things the therapists' say". I said, "oh, like reading that parenting skills book on the table you've barely cracked?" and he got PISSED. Angry, said "FINE! I'll read the damn book now! I'm sorry my kids totally suck!" and stomped back to the bedroom. I eventually went back and asked why, if he thinks that his kids "suck" is he keeping full time custody. "Because they are MY kids and I don't want them raised by that stupid .....". Then he gave me several more reasons why and I said, "it's interesting to me that your first answer wasn't "because I love them". He insisted that he had said that first. Nope. So, there was a little mantrum and "fine, call BM and tell her she can keep them and I'll just fall apart and you know I will". Me: "o.k., then you need to become a more involved parent. Way more involved". So he went back to read the book.

My question, sorry for the lengthy story- I don't want anything to do with these children at this point. They've been awful to me this last year since we've been married and some before that. I tried disengaging but it put so much stress on my DH that he was constantly yelling, threatening consequences, etc. in front of me and it really grates on my anxiety, nerves, everything. I've already had a physically abusive ex, I don't need yelling around me all the time, even though it's not directed at me. We now have different schedules since DH has to work later and I earlier because BM stopped paying childcare so I don't have to witness the blustering of DH in the a.m. Since I'm working this second job and they're asleep when I get home so I don't have to deal with their drama and his, should I just disengage again and let him figure it out??? I really don't want to be involved with these children at this point in the game and I know I married into this, but I had NO idea they'd be this bad. What's the best way to support my husband, not hurt the skids and save my own sanity?

instantfamily's picture

LOVE YOU!

"I always say FINE. You don't want to listen to your WIFE, who was not absolutely, positively around for the procreation of a child that you allow her to be tortured by because YOU pay lip service but DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH? Well then, it's all on you Mr. DH. I wash my hands of it."

YES!!! He "says" that he hears me and will follow through but doesn't some of the time. My bad, I don't want to be: bit, spit on, called names like Witch and whatever he can think of.

Does your DH resent you not engaging?? I have left once (my parents were out of town so I left for a weekend) and DH felt horrible but I really don't think he knows how to fix them. If I disengage again and make him field the parental duties 100% is he going to just hate me? Or them? I know he gets why I want to but then I've got my parents here who are trying desperately to connect with the skids because they know I'll never have a child of my own. (financially strapped). So they, especially my mom, want a connection to the skids whose SS11 has told my mother to "shut up". I don't know what to do here. I want my parents to have a relationship with them but I don't want one. I don't want my husband to feel cut out from my folks or his (I don't speak to his). How do we have a family dinner when the skids call my parents by their first names and I check out and they (my parents) love him and are trying to make it all work? I'm lost.

cant win for losin's picture

why is it that men KNOW their kids are awful, yet still do nothing????!!!!

Since when is the solution to a problem that you don't know how to help make better is to do nothing?!!!

And to ME, IMO, that is what your dh is telling you. He KNOWS their awful, he doesn't know what to do, doesn't want to DO the work to find out what to do, doesn't want to do the work when he is shown what to do, so he does NOTHING!!!!!

instantfamily's picture

I just went into the bedroom and asked him what he thought was going to happen here. He says exactly what you said. He doesn't know what to do, doesn't want to do the work to find out (although that's veiled), doesn't want to do the work when he is shown what to do and does nothing!
He just stormed out of the house telling me that I'd clearly made a mistake and he's a horrible husband, father and person from what I've said. Um, no, I just asked what we're going to do about your kids when they come back. Gawd I hate this. I know it'll blow over but now I'm in tears and just want to crawl in a hole. He freaked out especially because I offered to stay at a friends or my parents when the kids were here and being difficult. "Yeah, that's a great solution, just leave me!". Ugh. The Drama.

cant win for losin's picture

ah yes, the physical reminders that as parents we aren't stepping up to the plate. Drama much dh?!! SMH.

I wouldn't doubt that in your dh's mind he is thinking that if he allows them to live with bm full time, then he is ADMITTING to the world, he failed as a parent. To send them there is the same as saying, "i give up. I failed."

Instead, he would rather stick his head in the sand, live in his own denial that he still IS failing, all the while keeping his fingers crossed that it will "all work itself out"

I find it sad that some people would much rather live in their denial that EVER admit that there is an actual problem.

I would suggest that you tell dh that you understand that sending skids to bm full time, may seem like he is a failure as a father, but truth be told he is failing them as a father by doing NOTHING!

If he still wants to be a drama queen, and you feel you are beating a dead horse with this conversation, then read up on disengaging. I wouldn't tell him, i wouldn't discuss it, i wouldn't hint at it, nothing! I would just DO IT!

instantfamily's picture

Dead on. He's come around by now, but insists that he'll feel like a horrible person if he lets them live with BM (which I can't really argue) but I am seriously considering disengaging. We'll see how they (skids) are when they return. Thank you for the insight. It's helpful to feel like I'm not losing my mind, they really are difficult!

ownedbypedro's picture

Hang on...your dh actually said that HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE WORK WHEN HE IS SHOWN WHAT TO DO??? If that is the case, you can't win here. He is the FATHER for goodness sake - if he is not willing to DO THE WORK - then how the hell can anything EVER get better...for you, for his kids, for him??? OMG...I don't even know what to say to you right now. I WANT to say GET THE HELL OUT...but I think I say that way too much to way too many people - because I'm just jaded from my own rotten experiences.

Are y'all in counseling? Has your dh been to any PARENTING CLASSES? Is BM clued in to how rotten the kids are when they are with you?

Please don't think I'm being all negative on your dh (although he is WRONG to not put the effort into his own kids). My own (soon to be ex) dh "zoned out" regarding his own kid years ago and I was left to deal with ALL of the responsibility for a DANGEROUS teenager over whom I had (thanks to dh) ZERO authority.

I'm so sorry - I don't like being negative all the time - but it may very well be time for you to consider just SAVING YOURSELF if he won't step up. Don't go down with the ship.

instantfamily's picture

Nonono- he hasn't "said" that, it's just the message he puts out when he tells the doc or therapist that he'll follow through with behaviors to use with the kids and then at the end of the day we're tired and he doesn't make the time to work on things with them. Sorry, I wrote that kind of poorly.
If he totally recognized it and SAID it, I'd be out the door. Smile
Don't worry, you can beat up on DH when he's acting like not just a tool, but the entire shed of tools! It ticks me off to no end but I don't think he actually realizes that he's not done the work until the following week when we go back to the therapist the following week and then we kind of sugar coat things that didn't happen cause we feel stupid for not doing them. It makes me mad because they are HIS kids. If he's not going to change his behavior so it changes the kids' behavior, I don't know what to do. *sigh*

Orange County Ca's picture

I see the marriage going on the rocks if this continues.

For a start lets keep your parents out of the mix. Why would they treat them any better than they treat you or Dad? It's naive to think they can establish a relationship other than the generous grandparents who are turned to when money is needed. I.e. they can buy some attention but it won't come naturally.

Disengaging. What other option? Frankly I'd tell your husband that either the kids go to Mom or you're leaving via a small apartment where you'll see him on dates and such but no more interaction with his kids.

You mentioned that the kids are "angels" when with Mom. Great. Solves all the problems. Lets face it the kids are running your home and nobody there can change directions. Tell Dad the kids are to remain at Mom's for the remainder of the summer school break and a final decision will be made then.

This leaves it open ended but in fact you and I know what the final decision will be. Letting them do as they please at Mom's isn't any worse than them doing as they please where they're at now and all the yelling is gone from your life.

instantfamily's picture

LOL! I have mentioned getting my old apartment back and if we could afford it? Done. Unfortunately the kids aren't "really" angels with mom, she's just such a gigantic piece of white trash that she thinks they're behavior is fine and SS11 is so desperate for her love, he probably does act like a perfect kid and always gets treated like shit.
They let the kids do what they want when they want and how much they want all the time. BM let SS11 play a game with his cousins that involved throwing rocks at each other. Two summers ago we got a call that he was heading to the ER because he'd been hit in the back of the head with a big huge rock and split his head open.
BM isn't a good place to be and in the begining I helped DH fight it tooth and nail but at this point, they're such monsters I'm just exhausted and frustrated and would probably give them to a passerby on the street. I'm just so tired of working so much harder than they are. BM treats them like crap and they'd still rather live with her. She's been abusive to them in the past and they still want her. It's just so fucking defeating!!!
The other problem? BM actually told me once she'd take SD6, but not SS11- well, she hesitated and said she'd rather have the conversation with DH. She's a sociopath and it would be bad to send them to BM. She actually cut a huge chunk out of her visitation from the custody order. I know it's bad that I want to send them back to her because no child should live in her home. At the same time, I am sooo tired of being shit on. I am completely conflicted.

YazPistachio's picture

Holy crap. Your story would be my own personal version of hell. I guess the most important question is.... are you happy? There's only so long you can stay under this pressure until you snap. You're going to find a way to be happy either in or out of your marriage - eventually. The post about your husband's expectations of you sounds like your happiness is the least of anyone's concerns. Sorry you're going through this.

instantfamily's picture

No. I'm not. I know he just wants everyone to be happy but when the skids are acting like such jerks he gets grumpy and storms around and is just not pleasant. He really does want me to be happy but doesn't know how to make the skids act better. He's constantly telling me he's sorry, but he doesn't change his behavior. He says he's trying, but I don't see it so I'm just at the end of my rope.

phoenix410's picture

This sounds so much like my story, I had to check and make sure I hadn't written it! You're not alone. I do the same thing you do (disengage), and it drives DH crazy because he accuses me of "shutting him out"... just had a big fight last night about it... but I honestly can't be around all the yelling and horrible attitudes the s-kids are giving out. For my own physical health and psychological well-being, I have to remove myself. Glad I'm not the only one.

I'm sorry to say that I'm in the same boat as you are, and don't have any advice. Just letting you know that another person out there knows how you feel.

Maroma1984's picture

I would disengage if I were you.

That's what I did, and it's made it a lot easier for me.

My husband realizes that his other daughter has been very manipulated by BM and has kinda given up on trying to change that. He lives on the hope that she may just get smarter when she's a teenager. Since I can't voice my opinion on things I like to try to work on her with or change, I disengaged. Now I let him deal with her all the time. I'll cook for her or feed her if he's still asleep, but that's about it!

If he isn't going to do the work to change them , then you shouldn't be having to do it for the both of you! You didn't choose to have the children ... you just feel in love with the man before you saw what a mess it was!

instantfamily's picture

Thanks for your words- how is disengaging working for you? Do the kids recognize that you're apart but taking care of very basic needs together? Does your DH notice that you aren't doing anything other than the minimum? SD6 asked to speak with me on the phone last week while with BM and I told DH "no, she refused to speak to me last time and I have no interest in speaking to her". He said, "are you sure?". I had to give him The Look. Seriously? Why would I want to speak with your demon spawn let alone right before we go out of town for our anniversary? I don't want to hear what she's doing with her "real" mom. Not now, not ever. Am I awful for feeling that way? I just don't know how to feel with this step-shit!

Pilgrim Soul's picture

You need to have a behavior modification system in place that will allow you to reward good behaviors and ignore bad ones. The kids are very young and their behavior can be easily shaped - by a specialist. I would look for a behaviorist - a psychologist with additional training. Depending on where you live it could be very easy to find one. Ask your local school psychologist to help. Where i live - in the North-East they typically charge around 125 an hour, i think. It makes sense to invest the money to buy peace. Think of it as your own Super Nanny. Look here: http://www.bacb.com/index.php?page=100155