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Newimprvmodel's picture

I have not posted here in ages. So here is my update. Dh has reunited with his adult daughters, but mercifully they practically live on the opposite coast. Here is my dilemma. Dh attended a church conference on forgiveness, was enthralled with it, and came home being pretty condescending.....you know.....I have found the answer and you need to practice forgiveness too. The elephant in the room are the SD issues! So for the past few weeks, he has raised this issue in thinly veiled comments. He also clearly blames me for this chasm? Granted I have not laid eyes on the miscreants in over 6 years!
So this we are discussing politics on the phone and he says...you know the world would be a better place if we just start forgiving each other . I exploded, told him he was provoking me, which he denied, then said that I put myself in a box, fearful of getting hurt, blah blah blah. I know he wants me to get on board, but no, not in a million years. He also has started chatting with them in our driveway, which got me angry. He purposefully sat in the basement doing work on Monday so he could be on the phone. He lied and told me another reason.
My comment this morning, I am done, done.
I knew the day would come where they have a love fest.....that is not the problem here, but somehow now I am to blame??? And I need to practice forgiveness??? He is justifying his enabling on with this mantra.

Newimprvmodel's picture

And let me be clear....he can chat all he wants, but I find it crazy he won't talk in the house.
Big sigh........

twoviewpoints's picture

Not sure what difference it makes? In house, driveway, on his way to/from work? You cut your ties with them years ago and they live miles and miles away. If he wants to fall all over them on a phone at least he's out of ear shot and you don't have to chance overhearing his groveling.

You don't have to forgive. Nor do you have to be preached to over it. Tell him to STFU.

notasm3's picture

If my DH asked me to forgive SS30 I would readily agree. But that would NOT mean that SS is not still a worthless POS. And it would not mean that I ever wanted him in my life.

A person could forgive someone who raped them - but that does not mean they would want to start hanging out with them.

sammigirl's picture

This is on the target! I told my SD, when she wrote me a two page hate email; "I will admit my part of our disagreements, and I am sorry it has came to this point." Then I dropped it. SD has never dropped it and SD never even come close to apologizing. DH did apologize, because he wanted to move back into his home. I didn't expect SD to apologize, because "she is never wrong".

With that said, I do not go around her, she will never have the opportunity to step on my toes again, and I will never forget.

My DH betrayed me to SD and belittled our marriage and trust; he will never be trusted again, where SD is concerned. I have let it all go, but I will forever take care of myself; SD and DH are never trusted again in my book, concerning our relationship. I have made no bones about it to them.

notsobad's picture

If he is truly embracing and practising forgiveness then he should be forgiving you for not accepting his children the way he wants you to.
Forgiveness is something we do for ourselves, not something we force on others.

Please don't misunderstand, You don't need his forgiveness. I'm saying that while he says he's found forgiveness, he isn't truly practising it.
He's using it as a tool to attempt to manipulate you.

You need to ask him what his definition of forgiveness is.
A. To give up resentment or anger
B. To pardon an offence; to stop seeking punishment or recompense

I think for him it means B but he's telling you it means A.
You can always tell him that you can work on A but that you are not ready to entertain the idea of B.

Kinder1's picture

Why do we wind up the bad guys?? I was thinking about this today. I read somewhere that in divorces with children someone has to be the target and it usually winds up the step parent get that honor. After years of the BMs crap and 3 self centered Skids, my DH is in the throws of his love fest and has taken to lash out at me if i say anything. Some very smart people on this site have helped me as follows:
Do nothing, expect nothing/Do not get manipulated into discussions with DH/Change the topic immediately/Avoid any discussions about them hardly mention their names if at all. Good luck.

2Tired4Drama's picture

"She has a quote framed on her bathroom wall about it."

ROFL! This is a classic. I can JUST imagine what goes through people's minds when they use her facilities and sit there pondering the pontification about forgiveness!

ItsGrowingOld's picture

I don't understand how I can forgive someone when they haven't asked me to forgive them!? Personally, I think "forgiving" someone that hasn't asked for forgiveness cheapens and degrades the sometimes seriousness of this very personal interaction. KWIM??

This is what I choose to do with people that have intentionally harmed me but have not asked for my forgiveness. I process what's been done to me, learn from the experience, and then let go of all those negative emotions. The negative emotions take up dampen my happiness and joy. Letting go, for me, means I no longer feel animosity towards the person who offended me. But, just because I let go of the person and the negativity it brought to my life does not mean I want to hang out with the offender and become buddies. I have dignity.

Do you feel you have let go of his daughters?

sandye21's picture

Forgiveness seems to have a different definition for people. Some people seem to think it will set you free. I've tried this and it doesn't work for me. I said "Sorry" to some people recently and afterward wondered why in he heck I did it. It did not make me feel any better about these people OR myself. In fact it caused more frustration and anger because THEY should have been the ones to ask for MY forgiveness - and they didn't.

So does your DH expect the skids to ask for your forgiveness too? If I was in your place I would respond to DH, "Maybe you should be approaching your children about this. After all, we are all adults, right?"

One thing though: If he wants to talk to them in the driveway or in the basement let it go as long as it does not interfere with an important event or takes a lot of time away from 'together' time. At least you don't have to be bothered with them personally.

Newimprvmodel's picture

Sandye, I like your comments. However to turn the table on him is pointless because he will quote something dumb. And Stepaside, you are absolutely right. He grovels toward these 3 people and it sickens me.
Where to go from here? I don't know. The writing was clearly on the wall way before I married him. I saw his ex and daughters as very disturbed, but it didn't dawn on me that he was part of problem, and enmeshed and engaged in their warped dance. Now I do.

sandye21's picture

"I saw his ex and daughters as very disturbed, but it didn't dawn on me that he was part of problem, and enmeshed and engaged in their warped dance. Now I do." It is one sad revelation for you but it is a step toward clarity of the situation. Maybe time to work on an exit plan. And when you are leaving out the door say, "Please forgive me for taking you to the cleaners!" LOL

still learning's picture

He doesn't want you to "forgive" them, he wants you to be a doormat and go along with him and the skids agenda.

You can forgive while still remembering the wounds that were inflicted; and be a strong woman instead of a martyr.
Forgive yourself for putting up with their sh*t for so long. If his definition of forgiveness is that you must be victimized and accept their behavior all over again, then take a pass.

Newimprvmodel's picture

I think the next time my husband starts on a rant about the terrible family court judge, whom HE holds responsible, i will turn the tables on him and inquire why he has not forgiven the poor judge. Forget the fact that it was his ex and daughters who put him in the court to begin with!