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This weekend kinda sucked.

AshMar654's picture

So I had some struggles this weekend. Now that I am really in this with the whole thing. Some stuff and topics have come up. I have never wanted kids but now that I am around SS all the time I so see some stuff that I may not have. I do not know about his first tooth, or get to cuddle up close with him and hold him. He is too big for me to pick up and hold. There is a lot of things I have not experienced that my SO has. I never really cared but part of me thinks it could be nice have that experience of seeing a child grow from a baby. I tried talking to SO but he will never get it. Oh well.

Also pretty sure my future in-laws his parents think that I am way to strict on SS. I am not SO and I are both on the same page. SS wore me down this weekend with talking back and arguing everything I and SO said this weekend. His parents showed up at the football game this weekend of course last minute and not expected. They asked how everything was going so I told them. They think that I am exaggerating because he was never like this before. Only thing is he was they just let him get away with and think that it is funny because hey they are grandparents and really did not have to deal with it long term.

I was sitting next to him a dinner and what he did not like to eat he put on the place mat instead of saying hey I do not like these. We ate this meal where you throw a bunch of food in boiling water in the middle and cook it and add sauces. He does not salmon, I said I would eat it and it is rude to put food on the table. They look at me and do not say anything. We were all talking and it came up that dogs should not eat grapes SS goes and gets frozen ones out of the freezer and sits right in front of the dog. SO yells at SS and gets onto him. As we are getting close to leaving SS is getting the dog all would up and acting up to get all the attention. Of course my future MIL is encouraging this by telling him to basically roll around on the floor. I was in the bathroom and SO was loading up the truck with stuff when I walked in I got onto SS and told him to knock it off as he was already told multiple times to stop getting the dog all worked up. This was the aunt's BF's dog and you could tell he was a little embarrassed and blamed the dog. I flat out said no trust me SS does this at home sometimes with our dog to get attention. MIL is commenting in the background how he is just playing, oh it is funny, and rolled her eyes at me. I swear every time his parents are around it is just chaos. SS turns into this crazy kid and manners go out the window. MIL just sits there and encourages it. Even my mom said she thinks MIL does stuff for attention. My SO after all that said I wish you had met my mom before she started this whole drinking and crazy stuff because everyone actually liked her.

What a fun family dinner. 8 days in counting till they close and drive off to FL. Yes their place is fine.

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Acratopotes's picture

oh dear... the golden rule about being a step parent - never tell the in laws what a brat the kid is, never ever do that.... you smile and say, ah he's just being a kid.....

SS being naughty with them there, it's your SO's responsibility to set him straight, next time don;t give him dinner, give him a small bowl of what he wants and send him to his room, sorry only kids with manners can sit at the dinner table and eat their food.

but again it's not your responsibility to teach him it's his dad's

AshMar654's picture

We were not at our house. He does not do that stuff at our house at all. That also added to the whole thing we were at SO's sister's house.

I know you will tell me not responsibility but it is both SO's and mine at this point. We both do our fair share of teaching SS.

Acratopotes's picture

HON, not even your house but his Aunts house... sit back and relax... if it bothers her she can do something about it...
I would encourage him to be extra naughty Biggrin

take it from an old SM.... you do not parent the skid in front of his family, alone at home yes sure, but with his blood relatives, you smile and nod... say nothing do nothing.... it's the only way you will make it

ESMOD's picture

I agree with acra. Don't air your dirty laundry with your inlaws. Also, don't try to be all "parenty" with the kid when there are plenty of other people present that can do that. They see through the transparency that you are trying to show YOU are in control.. so you get the eye roll.

lieutenant_dad's picture

Regarding this whole discussion, one thing that I found I COULD say sparingly in situations where the boys were in imminent danger (MIL isn't always the most perceptive) or we needed to leave/they needed to do something RIGHT NOW, was this phrase:

"What did your father JUST tell you to do?!"

I wasn't telling them to do anything, and the reinforcement of what Dad said by another adult usually got them to stop. My in-laws would usually say "she's right, your dad did tell you to do X, Y, and Z; you better do it before you get in trouble."

It's not something that can be used all the time and for everything. I used it maybe 4-5 times in 2 years in front of my in-laws, and usually it was when they needed to hurry up to get ready for some event or to go back to BM's and DH was getting ready to leave himself.

ESMOD's picture

I like this because it allows the person to have some kind of say but still cements it in other people's minds that you are in a support role to your husband... not trying to "take control"

AshMar654's picture

I agree there were plenty of adults there. They were not doing anything while the dog was on SS's back humping him instead the MIL was laughing and encouraging it. Had nothing to do with me asserting I am in control, I swear.

ESMOD's picture

If everyone was laughing.. that encouraged the actions of your SS. What was his father doing? In that situation your only real option if you can't watch it is to leave. Go to the kitchen.. whatever. Don't try to parent the boy when there his father can do it. It wasn't a life or limb thing. Just him being silly.

AshMar654's picture

SO was putting stuff in the truck out front. SO had told him before that twice to sit on the couch.

ESMOD's picture

WEll.. since the other adults thought what he was doing was funny and he wasn't killing anyone.. what was the motivation to step in and correct him? Certainly if the dog's owner and home owner didn't care.. well...

I would have just gone out to the car and told SO.. "I can finish packing the car.. but SS is in there rolling around on the carpet with the dog...you might want to check on him".

AshMar654's picture

Ok I get it you think I should let SO do everything and always keep my mouth shut. That is not me. It never will be. Sorry. The boyfriend who was the owner of the dog didnot think it was funny and had too keep yelling at his dog because SS would not listen to his dad and just sit on the couch. It is what it is.

ESMOD's picture

I am not saying you have to "always" keep your mouth shut. However, there is a time and a place for everything isn't there?

In this case with his mother and sister there.... THAT was not the place for you to assert your motherhood over this kid. Not right now at least. You already have a shaky relationship with them that kind of focuses around this boy. Why antagonize when there are other options?

OH.. and the boyfriend is just as much to blame. He could have gotten his dog and put him away too.

Of course your little immature SS is going to act the monkey when it is clear that his "moms" (MIL and Sister) think what he is doing is adorable. Kids will pull out all sorts of hijinks to become the center of cute attention.

Your SO just told him to sit on the couch.. but the kid didn't stop did he? His father should have said.. Ok son... come on out to the car with me to help pack and not left you to deal with a problem.

Or, you could have gone to the car and informed him that the kid wasn't listening and let your SO actually really parent... instead of going all mom on the boy in front of the two women that already felt like they had that role.

AshMar654's picture

I get what you are saying. SS was sitting on the couch when SO went out to the truck and I went to the bathroom as we were getting ready to leave. I walked in from peeing and saw this chaos happening.

I was not trying to assert anything. All I wanted to do was leave and get out of there. I get he will act up like that it is his age.

So walked in right after I told SS come on lets go get your shoes on we are leaving. MIL just made a big deal about it. SO and I had already both announced before all this commotion we were leaving to let our dog out.

thisisnotmocking's picture

As a (former may he RIP) dog owner whose dog used to hump an xbf's son because he'd get down on all 4's and say "look! Dog wants a piggy back ride!" and then everybody in the room would laugh 'til they cried...

This is actually the dog owner's problem. Not really a skid problem. When I was done laughing & crying, I called the dog to sit by me. And he did. As he should.

Humping is a show of dominance. Kids don't know that.

thisisnotmocking's picture

Omg I know!! I still laugh at this!! It actually comes up periodically and randomly at get togethers with my kids and everybody still laughs til they cry! Probably 15 years ago.

AshMar654's picture

The owner was trying really hard to get the dog to stop and when SS sat on the couch the dog would stop. SS wanting to be funny and having the MIL encourage it the dog of course did it again.

I felt for the dog as he was in a house that is not his and a lot of people around so the dog was really excited. The owner kept on him. It was a mix of everyone at one point and we left.

thisisnotmocking's picture

Still the dog owner's problem. His dog is not well trained and shouldn't be around children. Or in public. He probably shouldn't be a dog owner.

Just like some children are not well trained and shouldn't be in public, but I digress.

lieutenant_dad's picture

Eh, hate to say it, but that's what grandparents do, even when their kids tell them to let them parent how they want.

I'm.nit saying it's right, but it is reality, especially when grands have a hand in helping raise a grandkid. My MIL and FIL can be that way with the boys, though they have significantly backed off since the boys don't visit at their houses anymore.

They're going to spoil him.rotten until they leave. Just make it through the next week or so of him being a PITA. After that, he'll keep acting like a little turd, but the grands won't be there to save him. He'll whimper and cry that it's not fair, but he'll adjust and eventually behave again.

Remember, this is a lot of change for everyone, so more than likely this behavior is temporary. Just trudge through it, be consistent with your SO, and walk away when SS just won't listen to you. Right now is the perfect time to practice selective disengagement and allow SO to handle most of the hard work. You're the "interloper" right now, so don't add stress to your life and relationships by trying to fix a temporary situation. Just smile, close your eyes, and drink some spiked coffee.

AshMar654's picture

Thank you I am trying and getting better at the selective disengagement. Just frustrating SS would do this attention seeking behavior a lot when he lived with the g-parents creating chaos, or stories, getting the dog all excited and SS ends up getting hurt and whining. I am not sure why maybe being the only child but SO and I spent this whole summer trying to stop it and things have gotten really good, except the talking back thing.

As soon as we are around the MIL it is just chaos. SS does it a little with everyone else but with her so much worse because she just encourages it and thinks it is funny.

I am trying to make it through, again last minute they changed plans and decided to just show up to everything.

They offered to bring pizza one night this week to our house for dinner SO said no. I was not there for that I was in the other room.

It is funny I do not drink much during the week or even on nights I have to work the next morning but I always seem to have several glasses of wine when they are around.

lieutenant_dad's picture

All kids do it. If they can get away with it elsewhere or with other people, they will. Now that the SSs are older, we don't deal with it as much. They know the rules DH and I have at our house and they follow them. They are much more lax when FIL and MIL are around, and DH lets more things go because they are the grands.

But with BM and GBM? YSS can be wild and acts like a baby. GBM will cut his food for him, BM and GBM will have OSS get stuff for him, etc. We went to some dinner fundraiser for OSS once, and we showed up to YSS eating a hamburger from McDonald's. DH asked him why he wasn't eating at the restaurant, and BM piped up he didn't like the food. It was a BBQ place and I looked right at YSS and said, "you eat BBQ at our house, why did you tell your Mom and GBM you don't like it?" YSS got red and quiet, BM lost her shizit for a split second, and GBM just chuckled and playfully chided him *eye roll*. He gets away with it so he does it. That's why I call him out on his crap (though I don't recommend doing that to most people; I just like to live dangerously and DGAF what BM and GBM have to say when they are being stupid).

This is going to be an ongoing battle as SS tries to figure out what he can and can't get away with.

DaizyDuke's picture

The things your SS is "doing" are really NOT that horrible. I think they seem more horrible because he's not yours. Reading this and being the mom of a 7 year old boy, I say most of this is just that age range boy stuff. (the getting the grapes and eating them in front of dog after convo at dinner is kind of weird :? )
But getting crazy with the dog? My BS loves to do this. If it is annoying DH or I in the house we just tell him to go outside and be crazy with the dog. What is the harm in the kid rolling around on the floor playing with the dog? :?

I'd honestly give him kudos for putting the food he didn't like on the placemat, rather than blurt out rudely that he didn't like whatever food it was. He was probably in his 8 year old way, trying not to hurt the hosts feelings. And my BS7 likes to show off too. Again, it's what boys this age do... all BS7 friends act the same exact way. They are not bad kids, they are just kids.

AshMar654's picture

Yeah I know it is boy stuff. The grapes thing is because he learned this behavior from the MIL. To get attention I should do something that will cause drama. We have spent all summer breaking it. Things are getting way better.

At our house we let him wrestle with the dog and tell him you get hurt we are not going to do anything about it. This was the Aunt's boyfriend dog and the BF was trying to calm the dog and had to keep getting on to him to stop even though SS was the one causing it and the MIL encouraging it. I felt bad for the BF as this was the second time he had been around all of us at once and his dog just kept humping SS.

ESMOD's picture

I guess my only other advice here is to survive in stepland, you need to have a fairly thick skin.

1. Kids are gonna be kids. They will do annoying stuff. They will do stuff they aren't supposed to and they know better. They will sass back.. they will press boundaries and all that is tough enough when you have a bio bond that makes you not kill them. It is exponentially more difficult to "just accept" it when you are a step and don't have that innate urge to keep them alive.

2. People are going to judge you. They will think you aren't good enough, they will think you are being too hard. They will second guess you. Sometimes? they may be right, but generally, no one has a better perspective than you and you have to follow your best judgement sometimes. Don't forget, even bio parents make royally dumb decisions with their kids and lack control. Sometimes they get judged too when their kid acts up in public or has a meltdown and they are equally unable to fix it at times.. part of being a parent.

3. You can't fix, control or manage everything. Accept that you can't and don't wrap your whole being into whether another person acts right or not.

4. Remember he has a father and that the father has had a LOT of support from other people raising that child. Naturally they will feel they have more right to interfere and your SO is likely to easily let them step in. Try to encourage (by being absent or not acting) your SO to do more for his kid. Stop making it your responsibility. How would that scene gone if you weren't in the picture?

AshMar654's picture

SO would have yelled and told his parents he did not want that and his mother would ignore him. She ignores everyone when they say something to her.

I try to relax and stay calm. I do understand their feeling to interfere I can get that. Why just ignore your son his father when he said to sit on the couch. Everyone else will back up my SO when it comes SS but his mom. I am just counting down the days.

lieutenant_dad's picture

Then your SO needs to remove his child from the situation. It sounds cruel, but you if SS won't listen to him and MIL won't listen to him, them he just shuts down the whole situation. SS is still small enough for SO to pick him up and put him on the couch or into the truck. He doesn't need to be violent about it or anything - just simply pick up SS, say goodbye, and leave with him.

AshMar654's picture

Basically what happened in the end we left with in seconds of all this happening. I think SO is just waiting out till they move. He did tell his mom no to bringing dinner over this week. I have to give him credit. SO did not want to go to dinner last night after his parents changed their plans and decided to suddenly go. We had already told his sister and she had already got all the food together.

Is what it is at this point not much longer.

ESMOD's picture

So, the eye roll the whatever her response is would have been the same for her son... so don't let it bother you. She is going to be doting grannie. Like the poster said below. SO needs to remove his son from the situation where he isn't able to control himself.

SM12's picture

No way!! Never tell the inlaws any negative comments about the grandkids or their child.

I have been with DH for 6 years. I have dealt with pure hell from his spawn and the BM. I have never once made any comment to my MIL Or SIL (or anyone on DH's side of the family) about BM or the SS's. And none of DH's side likes BM...But I refuse to bash her in front of them. If we are at the inlaws house and the SS's act up, not my monkey. I let DH handle it. Or not handle it. I have heard the comments they have made about DH not correcting the SS's. They give me looks like they get it but they know I would never say a word.

If you expect to keep the peace, you need to keep you mouth shut

Mamaoftwoboys's picture

In the past seven years, I have really left almost all, unless it was safety, discipline up to my husband. In my opinion, you can easily fall into the trap of "evil stepmother" if you are the one constantly correcting and disciplining, even if your SO does it as well. I think that one of the benefits to being a stepparent is letting your husband or SO be the bad guy to their own kids. Smile It really seems to keep the peace in our household. Sometimes it is hard to bite my tongue, but most of the time I am yelling at our boys about something they are doing instead (I have plenty to correct in a one and four year old) Wink . I will always give the my SDs guidance and feedback, but the discipline and constant corrections can get you into bad graces with in laws and also with BM's, and possibly resentful spouses. In my opinion I would rather be happy and have them happy when they are with us. Just my two cents, not saying it's right or wrong.

AshMar654's picture

I understand. SS is with us 24/7 the BM is not in the picture has not been for a long time. I have plenty of time when SS is just with me and SO is at work. I can not avoid disciplining him all the time. I explain to him why he is trouble and now I am getting into the habit and so is SO of him telling us why he thinks he got in trouble.

This seems to be working. We have been doing this all summer and his attention seeking behavior by doing things he knows will get him in trouble is getting way better.

He is a good kid and with everything changing he has been doing really great so far. I can tell is talking back is more than it use to be and he acts up way more around the in-laws too.

Oh well they are gone soon.

strugglingSM's picture

Yeah, it stinks, but even if the child is being a holy terror, even if the MIL was just about to offer the same "correction", and even if what you're saying would be said by 99.99% of parents worldwide, you can't say it in front of your MIL because she will think you are just trying to insult her precious baby grandchild.

I have to act like my SSs behavior is just totally not a pain in the butt or me putting everything on hold for whatever it is they might want is really fulfilling all my life dreams, otherwise, I'm just trying to exclude them or keep them from getting what is rightfully theirs.

Meanwhile, she can tell them they are being obnoxious jerks and she wants them to knock it off whenever she feels like it.