UPDATE: If a friend lied to you
Here's an update:
So the friend that lied to me finally texted me back yesterday afternoon. She starts her text with sorry she hasn't called back she's been really busy dealing with some stuff from her MIL passing, SIL selling house. Then she says "Anyway not sure what's going on with you and Friend 1/Frenemy. I haven't talked to anyone (Which I know is not true...)but I don't like people upset or mad. Glad you had fun Saturday evening.
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Saturday evening- another group of us went out. Wrestling parents. A picture was put on FB. Friend 1-4 commented on it. Passive aggressive. Like "Glad you guys are having fun!"
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I sent her back a text basically telling her what's going on between Friend 1/Frenemy and me is between us and I'm not trying to get others involved. Sorry if the text I had sent her on Thursday put her in an uncomfortable position as that was not my intention as I really care about her.
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So then like 2 hours later Friend 1/Frenemy texts me and asked if I defriended her on FB. I don't respond. Then she sends another text "If so, maybe we can have a conversation as I am a little confused what I did that makes you not want to be my friend."
I know the mature thing is to at least talk to her about it. Even though she should already know.
So I respond back with Yes I did defriend her, and we can talk but right now I have a lot going on and I'd rather take a few days to let feelings die down before we talk.
She responded back that she appreciates that I responded back and she feels that years of a friendship should warrant a conversation and she's not sure if she did something wrong or if there is a misunderstanding but she would at least appreciate us talking about it.
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I am so over it now at this point. I feel like I figured out who my friends are and aren't and I'm okay with it (to an extent) and I just want to move on.
I think a discussion is the mature thing to do and what I would appreciate if someone just stopped talking to me that I thought was a friend.
I can't imagine anything coming out of the discussion though that is going to change how I feel. The bottom line comes down to she talks shit about her "Friends" and then she excludes her "Friends". That's just who she is.
Again... thank you everyone for your advice. It is so high school... but I swear some things never change. There is always 1 or 2 in a group that act a certain way.
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Being defriended on facebook
Being defriended on facebook is offensive to some people. Lol wait till u r ready.
I refused to befriend SO on
:jawdrop: I refused to befriend SO on my FB (he opened an account when we started dating)..... I never changed my status from Single to anything else.
This is not a dating site lol, I do not care, SO asked me why did I not change to In relationship with...
I laughed and said - do you need to read it every day that we are in a relationship or are you clever enough to remember it.... SO cancelled his FB 6 months after we started dating, he told me it's just stupid and to much why can't people simply get together... Why would you befriend people on FB and you can't stand then IRL??
I am not friends with my DH
I am not friends with my DH on fb either. I have no relationship status and has that he is married to himself.
Yeah... I know... I did it
Yeah... I know... I did it when I was drunk- "Like F her! I'm done!" LOL But it was also a way to cut ties and just move on. For me that is the "final" like I don't even want to be fake friends with on the interwebs.
Meh. I think my block list
Meh. I think my block list is longer than my friends list. Goes with SM territory when you have a PASinating BM with a huge family in a podunk town.
100% agree and I don't want
100% agree and I don't want to get into a pissing match.
I think there was some competition between us in her eyes- she likes to throw parties, get togethers, game nights, etc. and so do I. But in my eyes I just saw it, as I like to host things and the more the merrier. I think she saw it as me stepping on her territory. But it's not like there can only be one planner in the group??? Only one person who is allowed to have Game Night or a cookout. I think that "may" have started some of her excluding me.
Also I think she sees that she can't control me. Well newsflash... no one can control me. I do my own thing. Yes my feelings get hurt, yes I want people to like me, but once I figure out who is real and not real it's not hard for me to cut my losses and move on.
Good advice! At this point I
Good advice!
At this point I feel like everyone is talking about it, trying to figure out whose saying or thinking what or whatever.
Friend 1/Frenemy reached out to Friend 5 (the other girl who is excluded) and tried to pump her for information.
I just feel like at this point it's taken up way too much space in my head. Time to move on!
Yeah she will probably turn
Yeah she will probably turn it around- well I tried to reach out to Zero and she turned me away without ever explaining anything... blah blah blah
Where's the like button!
Where's the like button!
good luck, HL!
good luck, HL!
Yes Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!
Yes Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!
It's actually quite shocking
It's actually quite shocking that she is this immature honestly. She has a very high level prestigious job dealing with the community. Like how can she be so immature, yet so successful?
Exactly!
Exactly!
Try being 52yo and beeyotches
Try being 52yo and beeyotches are still pulling the high school drama crap. SMDH
FFS so it never ends?
FFS so it never ends?
Never. I truly cannot fathom
Never. I truly cannot fathom those who refuse to outgrow their mean girl HS BS. And IF I spend time around them, it's during a group event. But I avoid them as much as possible and socialize with others.
Ha! I love it!
Ha! I love it!
I always think it is funny
I always think it is funny when people use Facebook as a tool to hurt one another or are offended if someone "unfriend" them (I don't think this is what you were doing). I keep my friends list very small, so if we aren't actually friends, or if we have a falling out, I'm going to drop you, not to hurt you, but to keep my information as private as possible.
I've been keeping up with your posts about this, and I've recently gone through a very similar situation. I have been pretty good friends with a group of 5 girls for about a decade, but over the past couple of years, two of the girls, but 1 of the in particular, became increasingly hostile toward me and the other 2 girls. One of the girls and I recently had an argument that was the last straw for me. I left the group. The thing that really hurt about leaving was that one of the other two girls and I were very close and some things that happened with that friend during the argument really hurt me and we are not nearly as close as we were before. My trust in her as a friend has really been broken, especially since she had a lot of the same issues I did with the 2 girls. Now, the 3 of them (the 4th isn't as involved in the group) hang out a lot more often than they did before and that hurts, but I do continue to see the two I mostly get along with regularly.
I know my story is confusing, but what has really helped me move on is time and also asking the two girls not to report back to me things that were going on with the other 2. I really wish I didn't know they were in contact even more after I left the group. I did let them know I felt it was best for me to go, but they made the assumption that I just needed space and that I'd be back. It has been about 3 months and I'm really happy with my decision. It was a volatile situation I just didn't need.
Even though it kind of hurts,
Even though it kind of hurts, I do feel better. Shoot I felt better Sunday after I deleted her Saturday night and made the decision in my head to be done with her. I know once I get past the initial sting of everything and the initial few times that it will be obvious I am excluded from the other girls, etc. (because we all know that is going to happen) then I will be fine.
Sorry you have dealt with this thing too. (((HUGS)))
I feel you, zerostepdrama,
I feel you, zerostepdrama, and I think you've handled it as well as you could given the circumstances of the unneeded drama.
I recently went through something similar, with my SIL (BIL's wife), of all people. I was under the assumption we were allies amongst the family drama in our already very tiny family, but I was getting signs that that wasn't the case. After some off comments and snub-like behavior, I brashly decided to cut my losses, if for at least temporarily, in order to back my position in going "radio silent" to avoid feeding my MIL's backbiting ways. I even went as far as to block SIL from texting/calling, again - if only temporarily, to prevent me from replying to her harshly. Emotions have been running very high regarding toxic relations within our family for the last 6+ months and I felt it was just time to remove myself from the equation of blame, gossip, etc.
Like Diminished pointed-out, you pegged her and now it's time to move on.
Ironically, SIL has stepped-up her presence on the only social media she still has access to me through and that is Instagram.
I thought the friend that
I thought the friend that lied to me was my ally and that is why I thought it was okay to ask her about the dinner and that she would give me an honest answer. So that hurts too.
Oh I think that Frenemy will amp up in someway. Like have a big party and invite everyone we know and not invite me or something like that.
OT, but do you watch the show
OT, but do you watch the show Big Little Lies?
The female characters act a lot like what you've explained. Crazy stuff.
I need to start watching!
I need to start watching! LOL!
It's SO good. It's set in
It's SO good.
It's set in Monterey, California, so I think I easily recognize these women, and their kind, since I'm from not too far from that area.
This is so fascinating! It's
This is so fascinating!
It's very nice of you to meet with her because you know that all she will deliver is a big load of her hurt feelings and her anger, served up with a side of blame.
You can expect words like: never, always, only, etc. And you can't expect compassion or understanding for the circumstances that made the friendship untenable for you.
You can take this opportunity to be direct, which hopefullywill cut bback on any gossip.
"Frenemy, I am not sure what friendship we've had lately. You've been excluding me from things that we all used to do together for some time now. And you've been saying unkind things about me to others. Of course I don't like that. I'm happier when I spend my time with people who make it clear that they enjoy my friendship. So I'm willing to hear you out for old times' sake, but I'm not interested in looking for a fresh start."
You are spot on!
You are spot on!
It is sad when you find out
It is sad when you find out someone you thought you could trust and depend on, leaves you questioning that friendship.
When I first moved to DH's town, I knew no one. I was lucky that one of DH's friends wives befriended me and showed me around since DH wasn't smart enough to do that himself. We became very dear friends. I still love and support her and will always be grateful for everything she has done for me. But I cannot bring myself to spend much time with her. I found out she likes to embellish or flat out lie about stupid things. It makes me question everything she ever told me.
I also had become friends with another woman and we became close. I confided some deep private details about DH and I. DH was aware that I was confiding in her as well. DH and I had gone through a very very difficult time shortly after marrying and she was there for both of us. About two years later, this friend started doing the same things your friend is doing. Pulling away, not responding to texts or call and then I would see her post on Social media all night. I tried to get to the root of the issue but she would claim there was no issue repeatedly. Eventually I stopped trying. I later found out it was over something her husband thought my DH was doing (they were wrong and DH even told her DH as much) But they were a paranoid bunch so nothing was going to change their mind.
Long story short, I found out this "friend" had gone and told EVERYONE about my prior marital issues. TWO YEARS LATER!! She then made up even more things along with the deep secrets. I was not as hurt as I was furious. I made I clear to her she should avoid me at all costs. To this day, she runs the other way when she sees me.
Come to find out, she does this with her friends about every few years. Sucks them in, gets their inner most secrets and then tosses them aside.
Trust your gut instincts. Listen to your friend and if you still feel she isn't being loyal or 100% honest, cut it loose. No use In adding more people to your life that you cannot trust.
Sorry that happened to you...
Sorry that happened to you... agree trust your instinct.
But, but, but how can she
But, but, but how can she retain the reins of control if you unfriended her?!?!
I knew someone like this. She kept a close eye on everyone and always knew who was online. Especially the 'favored' person of the moment. Apparently she monitored her number of friends because she immediately knew if someone unfriended her. Probably kept a list as she knew who within minutes.
Frenemy sounds like her...and she is toxic and a narcissist.
Talk to her if you need closure, but it sounds like you're good. If anyone asks? "We were friends. We grew apart. Have you seen/read [insert movie,book, etc]?"
When you're a control-hungry
When you're a control-hungry narcissist...
This is why I don't have any
This is why I don't have any friends.. people are exhausting! lol.
It has also been my experience that when we let people get too close to us that we become open to betrayals.
Betrayal sucks. I don't let
Betrayal sucks. I don't let many get close enough for me to share confidences. People THINK they know me, but what they know is what everyone knows.
It's also why I counsel my
It's also why I counsel my YSD on being careful what you reveal to people. She is a bit polly anna in her feelings about people.
I remember about 6 months ago she was talking about saving money with her BF for a house. They were both going to be putting money in their jars and when it got filled up they were going to put the money in his savings acct. She had only been dating him less than a year. I told her that she should keep the money separate. She said, oh, we will keep track of it and if we break up, we will be reasonable.
Uh.. well, they DID break up and guess who wasn't reasonable? HIM. He tried to stick her with his Directv contract. She claims she didn't pool money with him, but who knows, she doesn't realize that the person you are confiding in today will spill your secrets like a jealous broken pot tomorrow.
I found out my ex BFF was
I found out my ex BFF was telling others my confidences. Almost a year after I cut him out of my life, I was having drinks with another 'friend' (it was supposed to be 4 of us, but 2 had to cancel). She was pumping me for personal info (no freaking way!), then asked me a question about something I'd told the ex BFF a year ago. That's when I knew she was trying to get info for him.
Ugh... Don't people have
Ugh... Don't people have enough of their own crap to deal with.. why they gotta be in mine?
Exactly! I had no idea that
Exactly! I had no idea that my personal life was so damn exciting.
This is exactly what I was
This is exactly what I was thinking! I feel most people, that I've met anyway, are mostly fake and can't be trusted. Therefore my circle is very small. We have several people we'll hang out with, but I can count on one hand the amount I really trust. I can't stand drama and another reason step life is so hard on me, luckily I don't have it as bad as it could be!
I can't stand drama either
I can't stand drama either (unless it's me and DH in the bedroom!). I socialize regularly with former classmates (from grade/junior/high school), but that doesn't mean I confidence in them.
That's what is good about
That's what is good about this site right? We can spill beans and say stuff that we probably wouldn't want out in our social circles.
It's tough because for some of us, the person we normally vent and confide in is our SO, well what if the problem we have is related to THEM (MIL SK etc...?)
Even on here, I'm fairly careful to sanitize stuff so that it's not too identifying.
Spot on, ESMOD!
Spot on, ESMOD!
This is how I had been for
This is how I had been for years. My best (real) friends all lived in other cities/states though and I was beginning to be lonely. It was nice to finally find a group of friends- because it really is so hard to develop friendships as we get older.