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moeilijk's picture

Ok, just a refresher - I'm a Canadian living in the Netherlands, continually shell-shocked at the culture differences.

My DD is 13 months. When she is 2 years, we will get a brochure mailed to us from City Hall. It will describe all the schools in our city that she can go to. (She can also go to the adjoining 'city' since we are literally right on the edge.)

Some basic facts - kids go to school as of age 4. They go full-time, except they have Wednesday afternoons off until they are 12. All schools must allow all children, and must fulfill the standard learning curriculum... but they can accomplish that learning however they like.

I looked at the online brochure today. OMG THIS COUNTRY IS SO WEIRD!!!

1. Many schools don't have an option for kids to stay for lunch.
2. Of the schools that do, many 'dictate' what the kid can have for lunch. Like, if you put cookies in the lunchbox, they'll send them back because they don't allow the kids to eat cookies.
3. By 6, kids are doing work on effin' iPads (what about PRINTING or COLOURING or READING!)
4. School options in my area include: Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Montessori, and Public.
5. One school didn't describe anything except that the building/school has been in existence more than 200 years.

I think it's ridiculous that anyone would dare tell me what to feed my child. That, to me, is a dealbreaker.

I don't agree with kids under 10 learning via electronics... sure, use it to look up something briefly, but not for interactive learning.

I have zero problems with religion, but I am surprised that people feel strongly enough to set up so many schools!

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moeilijk's picture

Oh yeah, I forgot to say... the lunches are in the classrooms??? Then the kid can either go outside and play or stay inside and play. I'm used to cafeterias where all age groups can interact.

But seriously! I find it bizarre that someone would decide for me what my kid is allowed to eat. I'm actually irate about it right now (3 years early lol).

moeilijk's picture

Well, let's say you put in a sandwich, a juice box, a yogurt, a piece of fruit, and a piece of candy from Hallowe'en. Or a cookie that you made together the night before. Or a piece of birthday cake.

Personally, I might agree on what's healthy or not. I just don't agree that it's the school's job to interfere with my choices. *Maybe* if there's a demonstrable issue with my kid - behaviour, obesity, whatnot.

Sports Fan's picture

Here in the US there are also restrictions due to food allergies. Whether you agree with the idea or not, it is commonplace in almost all schools now. It can be the entire school or individual classrooms. Most common is the peanut allergies. I know the reactions can be quite bad but I also know a lot of kids that live on PB&J. I think in the past the child that was allergic was taught to avoid their allergy but now they just don't allow any child to bring the items.

luchay's picture

Here in Australia it's discretionary with each school about the lunches/recess foods. We don't do school caf's, which I happen to think is a great thing, as I've seen some of the available items for these kids, and as someone said - no wonder there is an obesity problem!

The kids here eat in the classroom or outside on a nice day, they have a canteen (Primary School - 4-12 years) where they can buy lunch 2 days a week (this is the school my dd's go/went to) The teachers can and do remove items from lunchboxes that they don't feel are suitable - but MOST parents still send there kids with crap like packets of chips etc.

I am in two minds about it, I can see the WHY of it - but do also think that I should be presumed responsible enough to pack the lunch MY child needs - but then that's a huge assumption and obviously a lot of parents don't have a clue and this is why WE have an obesity problem, then there are also all the "banned foods" and some bloody irresponsible parents will still send nut products despite their being highly allergic kids at the school. There are kids that are obese and their parents are still sending huge amounts of fatty/high cal foods. So obviously not all parents ARE responsible/educated enough.

My exSD is 14. She is enormous, very overweight - yes obese. She's 14 FFS and she is 3 dress sizes bigger than me (and I'm what you would call curvaceous LOL - I have soft bits, and very much hourglass curves) She's a big girl.

You know what her dear BM sends her to school with for lunch? ALL prepackaged food, convenience foods. High fat, high cal. Packets of chips, packets of biscuits, muesli bars, chocolate bars, juice boxes, a white bread roll with just butter on it. She stayed here for a week during term time last year, and had to eat the same lunch I pack MY kids.... shock to the system. Well she still got the buttered bread roll (mine have crackers, dip, carrot sticks, kabana) but then it was a yoghurt, banana/apple, fruit snack (diced fruit in natural juice) and a freddo frog. She was HATING that week LOL

luchay's picture

Yeah, but in my defence I named it first!!! }:)
which upon second thoughts makes it worse really, gave her a pet, named it then told her to eat it.... and repeated it every day.... child abuse!

(and should I guess from that that you don't have Freddo Frogs in America? They are tiny chocolate frogs... Almost an institution here. LOL

moeilijk's picture

Ok, I guess I should clarify... I grew up in the great city-state of Toronto, so my school had a cafeteria. For several years I didn't even know it sold food, since I was sent to school with a bagged lunch. No one (besides other kids) ever looked at it, and I am not aware of any requirement to comply with allergy-awareness.

I later went to a very small alternative school and we all (the entire school) just ate in the gym.

Kids here (in NL) are usually in daycare fairly young, since mat leave is only 10-12 weeks. In daycare, kids are offered peanut butter. I'm guessing that some Dutch kids are also allergic, but clearly awareness is taught quite young.

In the schools I read about, there was no mention of allergy awareness. Only - if you put cookies or treats in your kid's lunch box, we'll send it back. I think that's ridiculous. I looooooved having an oreo in my lunch. Or a hallowe'en candy. I think a cookie or a small piece of birthday cake in a lunch is a way better choice than an entire Lunchable or something. And even if I was a crap mom when it comes to healthy packed lunches... so? If my kid is obese, ok, let's talk. If my kid behaves badly, ok, let's talk. But magic rules to curtail MY kid because of some OTHER kid? Nuh-uh. (Still irate, as you can see lol)

luchay's picture

Smile There is a local school here (next town across from me) that actually has a "nude food" policy. Any foods the kids bring must be in containers, no packaging allowed. If the kid has packaged food it will not be allowed to be opened and will be sent home - we're even talking about glad wrapped sangers (ummmm cling film? sandwiches)

So even the tub of yoghurt must be decanted (I drink to much it's the only word that came to mind LOL) into a re-usable type container the kid takes home with them.

moeilijk's picture

You know luchay, this pisses me off so much. It's a bit weird it bothers me this much, but man it does!!!

I told my husband last night that I am considering staying home even after she goes to school, just so I can bring her home for lunch. Although I do think staying for lunch is such fun! But not if she's just in her classroom, that's so lame.

luchay's picture

Smile I get it, I really do. It's like the nanny state on steroids. It's just something you have to suck up and deal with really. There are always going to be aspects of life we don't like. I hate the new ticketing system for our public transport, its useless, stupid and a real PITA - but it's the only option so what can you do? You suck it up and use the damn system (and rant about it every freaking time you have to use it LOL)

I would check with the school and ask - exactly WHAT items are likely to be sent home again? I had it happen at the dd's old school in another state - cookies I think it was. Now my dd's are VERY skinny, very small girls, and they are on the go all day. They get a lot of exercise and I cannot get enough calories into them to put weight on, so it should be MY choice if I feel that they can handle the odd cookie in their diet.

Nowadays I just save the mini pack of chips, or the cupcakes/brownies/cookies treats for the car trip after school to dancing.

luchay's picture

Ok, I gotta ask - what are little debbies, because I have images of the film "Debbie Does Dallas" now.... showing my age AND my naughty side LOL

luchay's picture

No - its not! Remember a while back there was a lot of spam about - oh what were they called again - we call them stubby holders.... (again with the rude images LMAO) Koozies? I am sure it was you who explained to me when I asked!