BM has started regularly showing up when school let's out when it isn't her week just to visit SS
I've found so much information for tresspassing, harrassment, disruption of visitation, jeez the list just goes on and on, but I cannot find anything regarding doing this sort of thing. We have fought long and hard for her to finally respect the 50 50 physical custody DH was granted on their divorce. (Joint legal is not really respected still but that's a whole new topic) Now she is just showing up at school when it isn't her week and then just sitting there visiting with SS. She has no other reason to be there. She's showing up just to see him. We do our rotations week on week off. We also have no problem if she calls or if there is something she needs to drop off she can let DH know and then do a drop off or something, although that too has been an ongoing thing. She for some reason is forever trying to figure out things to be dropped off or taken back and forth so that they may be forgotten...blah blah blah..My husband has contacted FOC to figure out if this is legal or not, but I seriously do not think it should be. It's just so inappropriate and rude and basically a spit in his eye over a respect of his time with his son. It's just been a common, on-going problem of her not only thinking she is most important but saying so to DH and to SS. Any advice before we hear back from FOC or any idea if it's legal or not?
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I don't really see a problem
I don't really see a problem with a mom stopping to say hello and visit with her child while he's waiting to be picked up by another parent. My ex and I do about a 60/40 split with the kids, but even though we pay for the kids to be at school till 5 for aftercare, if I'm off early on one of his days - especially if it's been a long stretch since I've seen them, I'll offer to pick them up from school so they can spend a few hours at my house before they go home with him.
If you guys aren't there I am
If you guys aren't there I am not sure the issue? Is it hurting him socially or academically? Or is it like the fb post floating around last week " When you finally hate someone everything they do is bad- Look at that bitch eat those crackers". And hey- if it is the "look at the bitch eat those crackers" I am A- Ok with that
I just don't see how it's
I just don't see how it's illegal. Also if she is a mom like me, not having my kids is like not having part of me. If she is a good mom and doing a good job parenting then let her connect with her kid. Think of the kids, if they're doing well and both parents are doing the best they can raising them, no arguing and tug of war, a visit from mom at school seems like a good thing. I did that when my ex had custody and it was not my time, I'd even go and have lunch with my boys when they were younger and volunteered at the schools, etc. Some moms are good that way! I personally think it's a good idea, and gives mom time to stay connested without getting into your space.
DF does this because 99% of
DF does this because 99% of time BM says no if he wants to see the girls between
BM isn't doing anything wrong by going to the school. Now if she were trying to visit the kid in your home,that would be nuts.
I am there so the SS isn't
I am there so the SS isn't waiting for anyone. Everytime he comes out of the school I'm sitting there waiting for him. She has just recently shown up and started visiting. So now, I'm waiting for him to get out of school and then I'm sitting there waiting for her to stop talking to him as well. She is welcome to call which is more than she allows DH to do while his child is away and he misses him and feels a part missing, too. I don't understand why its acceptable to not even ask and just show up on another parents time and do as you please. If FOC claims its legal than DH will be doing the same on her week and you can bet she will have a tremendous problem with that. Yes, telling him that she is better than DH and DH is a bad man and that SS should hate DH and me is PA. We've dealt with that for years. If we stop to talk to him after one of his sports games and its her week she yells at him while we allow it on our weeks without issue. But just showing up, butting in on our time, not even seeing if we have places to be does not seem right to me.
I would just send an email or
I would just send an email or a text that says if she wants to come to school do it on his lunch that after school you have places to be and her delay not welcomed.
The PAS is a whole different
The PAS is a whole different and long issue I will probably rant on this site about at some point. We had an attorney last court battle that just did not think we had enough evidence. Really most of our info about it comes straight from SS repeating it. It's hard because then its like he has to get his BM in trouble..as far as my understanding on how that would work. Next lawyer I'd like to be more of a father's rights attorney and a little more aggressive, though.
I feel like I should
I feel like I should elaborate on the background because honestly I feel like she is using this as a technicality if anything. She isn't the warm and loving mom when no one is around just based on things SS says. She says mean things about him, guilts him for loving his father..He is very interested in sports and plays a lot of them. I've told him for years he's a natural athlete and if he has an interest in athletics( not meaning just professional athletes but personal trainers, gym teachers, there's lots of avenues within his interest basically) that he can do that and we would help and support him. I have never thought much about what I have said, I just see it as truth about him. A couple of weeks ago I said he is naturally talented and he looked up and said, "My mom has never said anything like that about me" he then went on to say, "actually she told me I wasn't very good and that I don't stand a chance of having a career in sports." and went on to say how that hurt his feelings a lot.(if you know him you would know how much of a lie it is that she said that. People walking by take notice of how good he is) That's just one instance. We've had the 50 50 rotation for over a year now. She has never shown up like this unless to drop something off--and to get her to drop something off herself rather than force me to pick it up was a batte. She is currently angry about some other petty stuff and has suddenly started showing up, coincidentally. This isn't me being jealous of a Mother's time with her son or anything. I wish she was that way with him. I wish she was like that with everyone, actually, but she isn't a very loving, happy, nice person. If she even calls on our week she yells at him or tries to figure out information over here or just quickly gets off. He has stated that they don't even really hang out or talk over at her house. I don't trust that this is just a mother missing her child. I mean, why the sudden interest? I think she has figured out a loop hole. Her and her mother used to visit my place of employment several times a week and stir up trouble, lie to my boss try to get me fired and when that didn't work just lied to SS that I was fired and that I did all sorts of mean and nasty things to them. SS doesn't even seem to want to go and talk to her. SS is in Jr. High, not kindergarden, and she isn't visiting the school (which she has a problem if DH talks to teachers or anything like that) she's showing up in the parking lot and pulling in closer than me. IDK maybe the way I feel about it is just something that doesn't make sense unless you're in the situation. I'm not an angry or jealous person in general.
Well, it's rude and
Well, it's rude and inconsiderate of her to keep you waiting that's for sure. But it's not taking dads time if you are picking him up. DH needs to deal with this. You after all are doing both parents a favour by picking up their child, so none of them should keep you waiting. She shouldn't do it, and dad shouldn't allow it, unless he is picking the child up and willing to wait till she is finished talking to the child. Then all good. It's up to them. But it's rude to keep you waiting.
No, she isn't going into the
No, she isn't going into the school and visiting with him. She is arriving when school gets let out and sitting in the parking lot waiting for him. I get there early because if I arrive at right at the time school is let out then DH gets an angry email. I don't really do anything wrong so she has to try to find these weird things like I was "almost late" yep had an email complaining about that. Anyway, I arrive early and sit there and wait, and also allow SS to take his time and socialize with kids so then I wait even longer up to 10-15 minutes after school is let out. Then I wait another 10-15 for her to talk to him. I've been here 8 years and she has never done this and now its suddenly everyday. She would never show up and hang out with him at lunch or in school because there wouldn't be enough witnesses. She has to do it where people are watching or she doesn't care. Also, I just remembered last night that she had him for spring break last year. It fell on her regularly scheduled week so we had him the week before. She argued that spring break started right at the time of school being let out on our Friday so we then lost a weekend. Fine, no big deal, it's a holiday and we didn't put up a fight. So, with that being said, why doesn't our time start right when school is let out everyday? Further, it's not just that she wants to see him or visit him. I can understand that side, but out of respect for the other parent's time and out of the realization that he is not 100% yours, wouldn't you at least ask or say something? It's not just that she does it but how she goes about it and that its so frequent and also, coincidentally after I've annoyed her. If there is nothing legal to be done because MI law thinks it's kosher then fine, DH will be showing up on her week and seeing his son when he feels like it, no big deal. But guess what, she will flip her freaking lid and all hell will break loose because he had the audacity and the disrespect to do such a thing. Mark my words lol
She's always had an issue
She's always had an issue with me picking him. It doesn't matter how she sees it because it is Dad's time and I'm his designated trusted adult for pick up. She uses the buses to take her kids to school and pick them up.How is that better than a SP? Her reasons for doing things are senseless and her reasons change depending on how they suit her. Things like this only happen when the people in her town can witness it and it betters her "loving mother" image. Like I said, she hardly contacts him when he's at our house and there is no one there but us to see her lack of contact. She has talked a lot of BS and lies in her town about me to the point that I get glared at and rude comments going to SS's school and sports events. People I don't know hate me and make sure I know I'm not welcome. BM spies on me on FB and found out I was on a SP site and mentioned some truth about something she did and got pissed. She tried to threaten slander to my DH but when we pointed out she had no case because A) I didn't even mention who she was and
it was provable truth she is mad. When you piss off a narcissist they have to get even with you. Within a week following that and her not having anything she could do about it she started doing this. She doesn't want people to know what she does, but she wants an entire town to think that DH is a drunken abusive horrible person that her son is afraid of and that they all need to help her in keeping SS away from him. DH was kept from not only coaching, when they were in desperate need of coaches, but even in assistant coaching or just helping out in practice. He isn't allowed to go on the field at all. I can't even remember the last time my DH drank. Maybe last summer at a cook out? She acts like that's who he is but he's actually a responsible man who works and provides for his son twice because we have 50 50 and still pay a large sum of CS and then will also nag him because she thinks he works too much and try to make it like he is neglectful of his son because of it. He leaves for work when SS goes to school and is home at 6pm every night, doesn't work weekends or holidays and they play video games every day when he gets home, sit and eat dinner as a family...whatever, which is it, he is a drunken abusive dad or workaholic? She can be mad at me all she wants for speaking the truth to a bunch of strangers because I don't talk to anyone about this crap in the real world. I've gone through 8 years of having lies said about me and I survived. So she can just get over it.
Can you start using the bus
Can you start using the bus for ss. Then see what she does. She won't get away with keeping the bus driver waiting.