Teenage SD doesn't give a &%$# about baby sister
Hello!
Need a few pieces of advice on what my husband and I should do about this issue.
We are expecting our first baby together, a girl, due in 3 months and my SD (who does not live with us but stays in contact with my husband and his family almost daily via whatsapp and zoom) appears to give a $&# about our baby (and Me of course). Never asks anythings about me or her, anytime the subject comes up (say on zoom for example), she pretends like she doesn't care, doesn't comment, doesn't like my pictures on IG (even though I sometimes like hers), almost like if the subject bothered her. At least that's what I feel. I already told my husband to pay attention to that, to observe her behaviour around the subject.
By the way, she is not a little kid, she's 17. Lives in another country with her mother, Step dad and brother (11). And just in case, I didn't destroy her family or anything like that. I met her father 8 years ago and He's been divorced for 13 years now.
Is it normal for a 17 year old to feel jelous about a new baby? Is that even possible? Why? I really don't get it. For me, she is just too selfish and pampered.
Thanks for your time
Why do you think she should
Why do you think she should care about your child? It isn't her's. When my brother is and his wife had a baby, I felt absolutely not concerned.. and I was 23.. .This isn't her baby, why do you want her to gush over your child?
She's perfectly normal in my opinion, definitely not jealous. Breathe, not everyone is going to worship your offspring like you. Normal.
Because is her sister and
Because is her sister and because everyone else in the family (mine and my husbands) do show at the very least some interest if not tremendous excitement.
Even her cousin (an 11 year old girl) shows excitement, Draws her stuff, etc.
My stepniece was about 16-17
My stepniece was about 16-17 when her half-sister (father's side) was adopted. She was thrilled, even though she lived in another state. They are now 24 and 41 or so, and still close. So it's not necessarily true that no kids would care - but your SD doesn't apparently.
Exactly. I know she doesn't
Exactly. I know she doesn't care (for some reason of course). But I know her, I've seen how she is with kids and babies, how she is with her cousins and she is very caring and loving. So, it is not just normal. Sorry
I was 17 when my brother was born
I was 17 & living at home when my brother was born. Honestly, I didnt pay much attention. I had a hot relationship going on, was working, hardly ever home. And, I probably wasnt mature enough to understand how significant an event it was for my parents. That was me: 17, living at home, my mother's baby. I'm guessing that if I had lived in another country and it was my stepmother's baby, I would have been even less responsive.
Have you guys been together
Have you guys been together for 8 years? Did she ever come to spend time with you? What was your relationship like before? She may be jealous, or may just be a typical self-centered teen - as long as she's not being disrespectful, I'd just let it go.
Yes, we married 1 year ago,
Yes, we married 1 year ago, but we've been living together for 5 years now. And yes, she comes every year and stays the entire month for summer vacation (along with her grandparents, my husband's parents).
Our relationship has always been just respectful because we only get to actually see her and be with her like 3 times a year.
Hard to simply let go, but I'll try.
Well, what else can you do?
Well, what else can you do? You can't demand that she get excited and be interested. I'd just try not to take it personally.
It’s reasonably common to
It’s reasonably common to feel jealous (sadly). Although some people are aloof not jealous.
I have a friend who has many different half siblings and loves them to absolute bits.
It’s perfectly possible for them to develop a good bond.
In my case jealousy came in after my children were born (my ‘ex’ step kids were 20 and 18 at the time).
I’m guessing they felt displaced so decided to cause problems. We included them, but whatever we did it was never ‘enough’.
A further note
Im the poster from above who was 17 when my brother was born. I have to tell you that I'm not very close to him. Nothing personal, but the age difference was just too much. We are in communication a little more now since I'm my 97yo mom's trustee and I'm making sure both brothers are up to speed on everything. But we used to go years without talking, no issues, just distance and age disparity So, if I were you, I wouldnt expect SD to play a huge role in your baby's life.
I know. Actually I don't
I know. Actually I don't expect them to be close, I know they won't be.
I just don't want her causing us any trouble due to her jelousy or her issue with her dad having another baby girl.
I have 3 older siblings (my dad's not my mom's) and I remember clearly growing up, how they cause a lot of drama.
A teenager who lives in
A teenager who lives in another country doesn't care about her stepmother's unborn baby? I wouldn't give this too much head space, at least until the baby is born and you've seen them interact. The baby is probably not real to her yet and has no impact on her yet.
DH and I are expecting a baby
DH and I are expecting a baby in the fall. One SS acts like he's excited and tells us how he will be the best brother and he can babysit for us. He is also the one supposedly cried to BM that he was so upset about our baby and that he felt like DH was just replacing him (when pressed, he said he may have said something to BM, but was not upset). The other one has been silent. They are both 14 year old boys.
My friend has a sister who is 14 years younger (she is not a half-sister, but a full sister, if that matters). She is closer to that sister than she is to her sister who is 3 years older. All that is to say, that I think the response from BM is key to how a teen sib feels about a baby sib and that age difference will matter less as everyone gets older.
For my child, I'm assuming (as is DH) that she will essentially be an only child when she is older, unless she goes out of her way to create a relationship with her brothers.
That's why I am trying to
That's why I am trying to think of something my husband should do or maybe say, I don't know, in order to find out what's really going on in her mind, why is she so "silent" about the baby coming.
I don't look forward to them being close, like I said, That will depende mostly of her, if she wants to be close to her sister or not. At this point I really couldn't care less about that. I know that my baby will at least grow up like an only child (if we don't have more kids).
All my concern about my SD reaction and behaviour is to anticipate any troubles or dramas that might come in the future due to her jelousy. For example like her DEMANDING more stuff or more money to his father just to bother us, etc etc in general causing trouble to our family just because she wasn't able to accept amd embrace our new family.
I'm expecting BM to put up a
I'm expecting BM to put up a stink to try to grab whatever money she can. I also think she will accuse DH of "abandoning his children" at some point. But, I have had to accept the fact that BM will be crazy and nothing we do will change that. If either she or the Skids come after my child about anything, I will raise holy hell.
Has your dh ever actually
Has your dh ever actually asked her if she's excited about the new baby?
Mmmm I don't think so. No
Mmmm I don't think so. No directly or seriously i guess.
My family has asked her (in a zoom session we had after revealing the gender) and all she answered was "yes, i am" --- of course what would she say in front of all people on a zoom session...
I suggest he does. Otherwise
I suggest he does. Otherwise she's being judged unfairly.
I suggest he does. Otherwise
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I suggest he does. Otherwise
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At 17 most teenagers are
At 17 most teenagers are pretty wrapped up in themselves and only care about what and how things affect them. I wouldn't get to worked up over this since it's not like SD is going to be there every day sneering at your baby.
For sure it is a blessing
For sure it is a blessing that she is not here all the time, because then would be really a problem. Today is just a concern I guess.
Yeah. My then-16 year old
Yeah. My then-16 year old brother had no interest in our newborn baby brother (intact family). He was annoyed at the baby's presence, and kind of grossed out by our parents reproducing again.
They developed a good relationship as they grew up, though. Most teens just aren't interested in babies.
My BIL2 took this same stance
My BIL2 took this same stance with my SIL who is the youngest of my IL's 4 kids.
My DW is their eldest and is my FIL's Skid. DW's BioDad died in a single car accident before my MIL knew she was pregnant. FIL was there for the pregnancy and MIL and FIL married when DW was 2mos old.
BIL2 was the youngest long enough that he greatly resented SIL.
He eventually got over it.
I relate, Picardy III
I was kind of embarrassed about my mom being pregnant when I was a high school senior. But I had a hot boyfriend and thought. " Better her than me". Lol.
Ha, I knew strangers would
Ha, I knew strangers would assume I was little bro's mom, at age 19, and that my mid-40s mother was a young grandma. But I was mainly off at college, and more removed from it all.
You know she is playing, quit
You know she is playing, quit allowing it. Cut her out of the picture completely. When DH tries to discuss her with you, inform him that she has written you and your baby off so you have reciprocated and his failed family breeding experiment will not have any place in your home, family or your baby's life unless she earns it with a lifetime of consistent reasonable and respectful behavior.
DH misses your message at his peril. He is a year from being off of the hook in supporting the 17yo, he risks the better part of 20 years of ever increasing CS for your child if he pisses you off.
Congrats on the baby. Good luck.
I want to have an extended
I want to have an extended conversation with my husband about this whole thing, but it is never ever easy to talk to him about his daughter. I am always afraid we end up arguing and distancing.
Anyways I would love to talk to him about how things should be or I except them to be once our baby is born and whenever she (SD) is around. The good thing is that she is almost never phisically around, only twice or three times a year. But still.
Is not that she is disrespectful in an obvious way, is more like when she is around, a wall is drawed between them (my husband and her) and me. And of course I hate that and I don't want that happening anymore, now less with a baby in the middle.
We are of course both very excited about our baby. It is my first child and for him is the opportunity to enjoy her child like he would have loved to do with SD (they only got to live together for the first 3 years of her life). And I don't want thrid people ruinning any of our illusions.
He wants us all to be a family, including SD, but we are not... she doesn't want to be part of our family and I am tired of trying and pretending. But she is her daughter and I know him, no matter she is 17 or 18 or 28... He will always be there for her. And that's great (to a extend).
I guess it is going to be difficult sometimes dealing with that duality... my husband wanting us to be one whole family and her and me like "uh-uh.. not really"
What do you think a talk with
What do you think a talk with your husband will change? You can't force someone to have feelings they don't already have. You can't change who she is and what she feels. She isn't being disrespectful, she isn't being rude, she is just disinterested. Besides, you hardly ever see her, please don't give her anymore space in your mind.
Oh no, I don't want to force
Oh no, I don't want to force her to anything.
If fact, right now for me is perfect not to have her distant.
Just worrying about future consequences.
But I'll try to let it go, as long as her feelings (or lack of them) don't end up affecting my family.
My ss was 16.5 when my daughter was born and 17.5
when our son was born.
he pretended they didn’t exist and still does... when hubby told him off 5 weeks after our daughter was born how much it hurt him to pretend there were no new families and pretending she wasn’t a member of this household, his response was “person is incapable of any affection so don’t force me!!”
It hasn’t changed even now. Ridiculous thing is nieces nephews his age love my kids and treat them as a member of the family and can’t understand why ss treats her like that.
But when i saw ss with his full sisters and the effed up awkward relationship they had, how can you expect him to have a normal relationship with her.
i do not agree that ignoring and showing no interest is perfectly normal. If kids are brought up well with manners etc, they don’t do this and shun siblings half or full.
my mum and dad had elder siblings caring for the other kids and helpig out at home, they were like mini mummies...
My own DD17 acts like my 2.5
My own DD17 acts like my 2.5 year basically doesn't exist and has since before she was born.
I WISH I had that level of
I WISH I had that level of distance.
My husband literally brought SD to my baby's room to "see the baby" which means gawk at me and interrupt my reading.
Be GLAD she isn't involved.
Be GLAD she isn't involved. No room for meddling when you have a bio and glad she can't take away from your experience of becoming a mom.
100% this ^^^^^
100% this ^^^^^
Well, yes I am very glad that
Well, yes I am very glad that she doesn't live with us and that she lives in another country and that we rarely see each other. Don't get me wrong, I am really glad for that, I know not every step parent has that luck.
My corcern is more about the future (short and long term) consecuences of her not accepting and embracing that his father and I are growing our family. Because even though she doesn't live under our roof, she could really meddle into our family, economics, vacations, decisions, etc just because of her anger, selfishness, disagrement or jeleousy.
Anyways, I already told my husband that we need to talk about her "reaction" or her current behaviour towards this subject. So I hope at least He is clear about what I think and feel and maybe ir pushes him to talk to her, I don't know. I don't really like their talks to much because what he mainly does is reassure her of how important she is for him, and how he"ll always be there for her and etc etc... but not much about setting expectancies or bounderies or behaviours from her.
We'll see.
But yes, it is a blessing that we get to live this experience without any stepkids around ruinning moments presencely at least.
Some people can’t embrace
Some people can’t embrace their parents ‘growing their family’.
Some teenagers and many young adults (some grown) still think that their parents are ‘just their parents’ and it does not register that their parents also have a life, and are quite entitled to do so. It is unreasonable to expect broken up parents to just sit about twiddling their thumbs for 20 years.
If she’s not living with you and you only see her occasionally you or your partner don’t really have any ‘influence over how she will react.
It's so, so common for older
It's so, so common for older siblings to be concerned or actively resentful of a new baby on the way. In intact as well as step families. It's a shake-up in the family structure, and siblings don't have the initial bond the pregnant mother feels to the child.
I saw it in my step kids (exacerbated by their BM in their ear), and I saw it in my younger brothers. All of them adjusted just fine as they developed their own relationship with the new little one, and found their place in the new birth order.
So long as your SD isn't being outright nasty to or about the baby, I wouldn't go borrowing trouble (though be watchful, of course).
The birth mother talking shit
The birth mother talking shit to her ear... that is something sure happens here. I'm sure.
I lived it with my older siblings... when my brother and I were little, they usually resented my dad for having more children... "why did you have more children?.. now you can't pay for my X, Y or Z whimp"... classic.
Sure classic but it doesn't mean okay. That kind of heart, reaction and behaviour should not be accepted and parents must explain FRANKLY AND DIRECTLY to the teenagers (who are so self absorved and selfish) that parents do too have a live, do too have dreams and are completely entitled to do whatever they want... that is to get marry, have more kids if they want to, travel or whatever as long as they respond to their parental responsability (not whimps). And the quicker the teenagers understand and accept that, the less suffering and drama.
It's so, so common for older
Dup
Honest to goodness I don't
Honest to goodness I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. Even if SD were excited about the baby, that doesn't stop her from emotional blackmail or other horrible behaviors. I don't see how they're related.
Your issue seems to be preventing future blowups. You can't prevent them. You have no control of what she does or doesn't do, and your DH has very little as well. Your DH is well aware of her behavior, even if he's in denial, and you "preparing him" for future scenarios that might or might not happen just doesn't make sense to me. You simply can't control it.
Your issue is with HIM, and giving in to her sob stories and rudeness. While your DH might want a fantasy family that includes you, the baby, and SD, that's just not reality. Insta-Family is not a reasonable goal here. Some step families get along fine (especially in the movies), some stay right below the boiling point, and some are toxic. THAT might be your discussion topic -- how will he react if SD is lukewarm toward the baby?
If SD is basically polite to you, that's all you can really expect. The rest is up to your DH.
Thanks. I just like to
Thanks. I just like to anticipate to any situation.
I know there is nothing I can do to change HER feelings or HER stuff. But I haven't given up on my husband. I hope he listens and acts better a new time around with her blackmailing. And also what you just said, to be clear and transparent with our family situation, so that nobody gets disappointed when things don't happen as he or me expect.
Thank you again.
This actually prepares me for the talk with him
She’s immature and jealous
This happened to me too. My DH eldest daughter was 24 and living 5 minutes away from our home when me and DH had our bio child last year. Eldest SD25 was jealous and immature, and even went as far as to take pictures of my baby (without my knowledge), add filters or something (I'm a dinosaur) to give my baby DEVIL HORNS in the offending pictures, then post offending pictures to IG.
I cried and told DH how disappointed I was, especially since I'd done so much to 'include' her (seriously, she was 24). DH refused to address the matter and eldest SD24 moved interstate shortly after (for reasons unrelated to offending picture).
I have spent the last year quietly removing all photos from our home of eldest SD24 plus any 'gifts' or cards she has given DH and I over the years (we've been together four years now).
Plus, we haven't seen her for a year (COVID-19 has been a godsend). Needless to say, I will not be making her welcome in my home again nor will I let her anywhere near by bio child. She has made her bed, now she can lie in it forever as I intend to freeze her out for good, and she has no one to blame but herself. SDs don't realise that it's a long road and rejection of a stepmom can have life changing consequences for them, such as not being informed of health/life updates regarding her father or half sibling. Further, don't they realise that it will likely be SM executing daddy's will and wouldn't it be better for her if she decided to play ball? Ha! I intend to play the Long game on this one!
for the record, offending picture was the straw that broke the camels back, the very last straw in a catalogue of bad behaviour from SD24...I should do a post on that next...
I would have lost my mind had
I would have lost my mind had SS do that to a pic of one of my kids!! Don't let her get away with it or let your DH sweep it under the rug.
Completely agree.
Completely agree.
Would like to read more about all the things that happened before the ugly pictures on IG. It's crazy how grown up kids still feel so angry inside about what happened to them and their family