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JRTerrierMom's picture

I've been surfing this site for a few days and eventually decided to go ahead and join. I am using one of my alternate pseudonyms - and I'll explain why a little later on. Not important for now. I'm not famous, nor am I an expert or a doctor. I just want to see what other BP/SP would have done with this situation.

Also - I had an unintentional disagreement with another parent - I was just trying to show a different side of an argument. That was wholly unsuccessful but it DID get me thinking, what would have happened if this child (will describe below) had different parents? No opinion will be bashed, no one is wrong. The child turned out fine. I'm just curious.

The child in question was a straight A student interested in art, reading, tree climbing and a beginning facsination with the opposite sex around 11. Typical kid of the times. Parent's were divorced. SM was very strict. So was BF. BM was as well, but with different rules. SF was abusive.

Over the course of the next 6 years, this kid gave it's parents "the fits". talked about tattoos, took off all the time, found a bad group of friends, became sexually active, dropped out of school, and eventually left home permanently. There was an attempt at 17 to re-enter a "normal" homelife with BD and SM - but that lasted only a year. Too much had been broken to mend overnight and the parents couldn't get past the past to help the kid deal with a future.

The BM had the kid tested nearly weekly for a period of 2 years for drugs, marijuana, cocaine, pills, etc. There was never a positive result. All came back negative. The kid never took drugs but once - and didn't like the out of control feeling - never did them again. Drinking WAS something the kid did - but the BD allowed it in the home. Before you judge - understand we are talking about wine with dinner or tasting a beer. It was never taboo - just "not appropriate" other than at dinner. BM was adamantly and staunchly opposed to it, even for adults.

The child did quit school. Did start smoking. Did have the wrong set of friends. WAS sexually active.

What would you have done? In this day and age - this media age - how would you have handled a child that had decided to turn and walk the exact OPPOSITE way you would want them to go? And are you upset with their direction because it is so different from yours or because you truly believe they will come to harm?

I really am interested on what you all would do.

Thanks,

JRTerrierMom

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JRTerrierMom's picture

I agree - though the "drinking" was really a cultural thing. The father is not from this country. All of the generations before him were allowed to do so as well.

But yes - the scenario you just described is exactly why this child behaved and did what was done.

The only thing that should be mentioned is the divorce happened at 7 years old for the child. Second divorce for this pair of parents, they remarried after a year apart and had a second child. Then divorced again when the child was 7.

Points I left out, my apologies.

Loved hte input, thank you!

JRTerrierMom's picture

LOL - "rags style".

But what would you do if that kid just said, "no" - and left?

purpledaisies's picture

I'm not seeing in the OP where getting a divorce had anything to do with this childs behavior. Do the parents were ALREADY divorced when the child started acting up. Depending on what age the child was when sm and her dad got her. I think that I would have tried but if the child was just out of control I would have suggested an out of control ranch or somewhere where the child could get the kick in their they need.

JRTerrierMom's picture

Acting out started immediately after BM married that SF. SF was abusive. BM and BF were fighting nonstop in court - often the kid was dragged to court as well.

Rags's picture

MILITARY SCHOOL!!!! It worked for me, my younger brother and my dad. It even worked for SS though his SpermIdiot sabotaged SS's opportunity to graduate from a top 20 boarding school.

SS is now 19, in the USAF, doing great and has commented several times that his 1.5yrs at Military School have been a huge benefit for him in the service.

The problem is that very few people, particularly teens, can learn from the example of mistakes of others and have to learn by feeling the pain of their own decisions.

This kid sounds like he/she may come out okay in the long run but ...... I am a firm believer in accountability and tough love. A parent's job is not to be their child's buddy regardless of the age of the child. A parent is responsible for being the mentor, example, confidante, advocate and disciplinarian to their child(ren). Not their friend.

SA also mentioned not divorcing. I absolutely agree with that. I was fortunate in having been raised by mutually respectful, loving and supportive parents who recenently celebrated their 49th anniversary. My wife and I just had our 17th and raised SS- recently 19 - in a stable marriage. His mom and I married when he was 1yo (almost 2).

His SpermIdiot went on to marry a 16yo (DickHead was 23)so that we would not have his ass thrown in prison during the first court hearing over custody/visitation/support. Divorced the 16yo 3mos later, fathered three more OOWL spawn with two more baby mama's and supports neither himself or any of his children. SpermGrandMa and SpermGrandPa paid 17yrs of CS for my SS, pay CS for his #2 and raise #2,#3, and #4 in their home with no financial help from DickHead. He lives rent free in a rental property that they own.

So, I say put the rules in place, absolutely enforce them without exception, hold the kid accountable for adhering to the rules, apply consequences any time the kid deviates from the rules and expected behaviors and if hte kid has not learned to do what they are told when they are told by their mid teens then ship them off to military school with that "God Damed Finklestein Shit Kid .... Sonuvabitch!". If they are 17 and still can't get their head out of their ass .... then file for a forced emancipation due to failure to comply with household rules. Especially if the kid has already taken off for good. No use for a parent to continue to expose themselves to the risks and potential liabilities of an idiot kids behavior if the kid won't follow the rules.

I know, I am harsh. But, I have zero tolerance for this kind of crap. If I had pulled this on my parents, wholey hamburger ass Bat Man, my parents would have given me clarity immediately and in no uncertain or remotely pleasant terms.

As it should be IMO.

JRTerrierMom's picture

hahaahahaha!! that was great! I'm thinking the structure would be awesome.

I also firmly believe the parents allowed themselves to be manipulated so that they
could get their way in court.

the behavior started out as a cry for help, and I believe either the parents were unwilling or unable to cope.

do you think MS would be good for an abused teen?

Bojangles's picture

Well quite a bit of this scenario mirrors my SD, although her mother's boyfriend is not abusive and BM is not strict. DH and BM split when she was 7, she seemed picture perfect until she started secondary school at 12, then she got involved in a whole host of negative behaviours which only really emerged at 14 when she twice disappeared from BM's house and was found at underage drinking parties at the home of a friend. I was upset that her direction was so different to mine (I had a very conservative contented childhood) but my concern about her direction was validated by the fact that she was clearly unhappy and quite desperate for someone to notice. In contrast DH was a bit wild when he was her age and having come out of it also felt that it was all wrong for his daughter.

This is what we did: We sat down with her and had a series of everything on the table discussions with her in which we tried to remain calm and nonjudgemental. The aim was to encourage her to be honest and help her see that her behaviour was making her unhappy so she could make a fresh start. We gave her the option of moving in with us, and when she did we set groundrules and talked about the need to rebuild trust and her responsibility for that. We kept a close eye on her, but tried to gradually give her enough freedom to demonstrate whether we could trust her or not. This is still ongoing, there have been setbacks, it has been stressful and still is; it's hard to relax and trust a child that has gone off the rails. We got her a counsellor and sent her weekly for the first few months. We changed schools and sent her to our local school, she wanted this, she had burned too many bridges with her former friends. We tried to create a stable relaxed home life for her. She is now nearly 16, she's doing well in school and mostly seems happy at home, she still has issues, she's still in counselling, she still causes concern sometimes and tends to bottle things up, but we try to accept that teenagers do stuff they shouldn't, and keep our reactions in proportion rather than always assuming she is about to career off the rails again. She still wants to do everything too early.

I think this summary from StepAside is very true:
"kids go from feeling secure, to feeling as though they are on their own. They make terrible choices for themselves. They often look to replace the love from their parents from members of the opposite sex. They lose focus on their future, because everyone else has as well, and they live day by day."

Caught between 2 very different parents, with a flaky alcohol dependent mother and a father who struggled to maintain real emotional closeness as a part time parent, I think SD's problems started because she felt alone and like she couldn't be herself in either home. She tried to fill the gap by bonding with a group of other troubled teenagers and began dealing with her problems the same way her mother did: with alcohol and cigarettes.

JRTerrierMom's picture

I'm glad to see some folks holding the parents responsible fir at least the start of it.

by the time the kid was 17, many of the 'dangerous' behaviors were ending.

The kid straightened themself out, made a conscious decision to clean up. A local farrier saw something in that kid and taught self respect - through animals. the farrier didn't see a piece of crap kid, he saw a troubled kid seeking help.

when the farrier died - the kid went to a halfway house and checked in. one of the counselors really took a notice and reached out.

Before the kid left the halfway house - they were helping on the teen suicide hotline, realizing no matter how bad it was at home - someone had it worse.

it was a combo of abuse, angry parents, and resentful step parents that "derailed" the kid. a healthy dose of counseling and a HUGE amount of forgiveness by everyone was what turned the kid around.

joanie's picture

my parents are still together but likely shouldn't be.

both I and my sisters have similar issues- we've all managed to become healthy and productive adults but definitely went through even crazier rebellions than what you've described.

divorce might have been a change for the better for us. I don't think loveless marriage is a great example to set.

personally I think any animosity between the adults in a kid's life is the problem, not whether the parents are divorced or not. I think a lot of people are not meant to parent and do it for the wrong, selfish reasons and it shows. they use the kid as a weapon divorced or not.

I also think almost all teens rebel. as hard as they can. in some way. it's how they transition to adult living. if they don't ever rebel, they're more seriously messed up than kids that do revolt.

just my three cents.

JRTerrierMom's picture

I-m so happy This.

I agree - and I think it's kind of odd that on a stepparent website folks are saying stay married...

Of course there's the usual caveat for abuse, violence, etc.

However I did try to make it work for the kids when I was married. It made things worse. Resentments, manipulations, anger, disengaging. I'm not so sure teaching my daughter that 20 years of not speaking and not loving each other is better than teaching her to stand on her own two feet, square her shoulders and say, "come on, gimme whatcha got, because I.Can.Do.This. Will hers and her brother's road be bumpier? Yes. Will they not have all the newest PSwhatevers because I don't have 2 incomes? Absolutely. Will they not get the newest iPhone or hippest clothes just because the yuppie mom up the street who stays home all day can afford to do so? Most definitely.
Will they be damaged for it? lol, not likely.

My thought is that children should be raised with self respect - and that can only be taught though setting an example - at least in my opinion. If htey have respect for self, then other damaging behaviors shouldn't surface. At least, they shouldn't recur.

I try to teach my children this: Respect yourself. you are the only one who has to spend every moment of your life with yourself, so you'd better like who you are. That while I do'nt expect them to "fit" into society's norms (because society changes every few years) - but I do expect them to be a productive member of society. That I expect them to question - but only if the instruction no longer makes sense in their lives and they can argue intelligently why.

Anyway - lol - I could go on and on about it.

JRTerrierMom

JRTerrierMom's picture

Exactly. Taking a child who has issues currently and trying to "apply" a forceful hand on him/her with normal rules usually doesn't work. If it did, would any of us even be here discussing our frustrations?

THe kid above DID try to re-enter a normal life at 17 - with standard issue rules. Be home by 10. Pay Rent. Get a job. Go to school. Do something with your life. Don't be a loser. Don't be "that kid".

Trouble was - the role of "that kid" had already been played, obviously, BY "that kid". It was like the parents telling the kid even though they were reaching out to the parents - what they had done at that point wasn't good enough. The kid had to become exactly like the parents to be "good enough".

And that's just an awful thing to tell a child - talk about ruining self esteem.

On the other hand, rules and boundaries are good - but trust has to be there first, otherwise you ahve prison. And how many prisoners have healthy relationships with their guards???

JRTerrierMom's picture

Huh, that sounds like something I could do as well.

I sent you a PM -

Thanks!