Caution to readers: Problem with BF not SS
Omgsh...I'm sooo angry right now that I just had to post something. Just a warning to those only interested in reading about skids. This isn't one of them. I think my BF has been lying to me about using drugs (or just ommiting info from me). I don't know if I'm just being paranoid..but when he goes out with his friends...he comes home with bloodshot eyes and is jittery. He takes out large amounts of cash then it all disappears. he's into hip hop style music nowadays (he was a country kind of guy before) where they have those thugs swearing etc, I looked in his cell phone and there was a message "I need some tree bad" I looked up tree on the internet and its a code word for weed. Also he has lighters everywhere and appears to be alot less attentive to what i'm saying as before. I'm very very angry, concerned, mad, sad, etc right now. we live together and its hard to ignore all the signs. the thing is he's asking me to put forth more money into our house remodel...i'm guessing his money is going to the weed. can anyone help??? I don't know how to approach him with this..especially because I was snooping to find the text message.
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Signs...
The blood-shot eyes are a sign, so are: munchies, dry/cotton mouth, sleepiness, sweet or skunky smell, paranoia. My brother smokes and has all of these symptoms. He even lost his job of 20+ years 3 months ago due to a positive random drug test. He still smokes. You can't make anyone quit, they have to want to do it for themselves. But definitely educate yourself about this before you do/say anything to him. If an 'intervention' is done incorrectly, it could be bad.
oh ya, he's smoking up all
oh ya, he's smoking up all right. Just a warning....when people loooove their pot, they will not give it up. Its hard to give up. My dh did it after he divorced his wife....mainly because he did it for soo many years and got tired of doing nothing all day...and because he couldnt afford it since cs payments were high. (one good thing about CS) He's been clean for 8 years now. BUT, he had withdrawl symptoms for 3 years....sooo..depending on how long your bf has been using is how hard it will be to get him off the shit. For one thing, He must drop the friends and people he hangs out with...very key to dropping the weed.
He will get defensive, but unfortunately you have to put your foot down.
ESpecially wth money. DO not let him have access to your accounts, make sure the billsare paid first and tell him nicely that you will not forward more money into the remodeling ofthe house. You both live their you both pay, and if his money is going to a new habit, he better not be dibbing into the household funds/
Be direct withhim and be straight. They tend to deny they are on it as well, you dont have to tell him about the messages you have seen, basically comeout and tell him you know he is using and you will not accept and give money for this habit. he needs to stop or move out.
I'm sorry, ihave alot of experience with drug users.
1. They lie and deny.
2. They lie and start to steal when the cash runs dry and they will steal from the one they love.
3. You must be direct and tell him you love him but his habit is an issue.
4. KEEP YOUR CASH AWAY FROMHIM...MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR OWN ACCOUNT.!!!
question. the money he is asking for you to dish for remodeling....does that go into a joint account??? if it does, do not give the cash. He will spend it.
to answer your question, the
to answer your question, the money he's asking from me for the remodel, he wants me to send to his account. as of now we donot have a joint account..we only started living together 1 month ago. now that i think about it...since i wasn't around too much before he was probably already doing this dealing stuff awhile ago. i noticed that hes always going to the bank and comes back with his wallet stuffed with cash. so i was wondering where all that cash was going and found it stashed in his underwear drawer..i didn't count it all but theres at least 2 grand in there. i just don't know why hes doing this to me.
Yeah, NO CASH FOR HIM!
Yeah, NO CASH FOR HIM! Seriously. This guy can not be trusted. Are you kidding - TWO GRAND?!?!?!??? Oh, honey, whatever he's doing, you are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
There are not that many reasons for someone to have that much cash lying around the house. You do not want to get further involved with this man. You really need to think about getting out now.
BB
- You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. (2Bloved)
i just checked this morning
i just checked this morning and all the money is gone! so im guessing hes going to make a deal today..i know this sounds so bad but i actually go back and forth between thinking as long as hes making money then i shouldn't care! i can't believe i even think that..its horrible i know
I'm sorry..
but it does sound like he is definitely using. Unfortunately you are not in for a fun ride. Very addictive and people who tend to smoke it end up using daily...all day.
Show him the proof you have and tell him he either gets help or you're gone. You have no idea what he and his little gang banger looking friends are doing. Pot is illegal and if he's bringing it into your house, you will also be held responsible. Might want to keep that in mind if you have children. Plus, who knows what he may start doing that's illegal to support his habit in the future. Not a good situation.
"In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on." ~Robert Frost
Emma
I'm afraid I will sound like a broken record to so many people here, because my advice is what I have said to others in similar circumstances (that is -- with a BF who clearly has a part of their lives that is separate and is creating stress on the relationship in a way that will not get better).
You are sooo lucky you two are not married. My advice, honestly, is to get out. I agree with PNut Butta: show him the proof. Tell him he either gets help or you are done. Don't worry about how you got the proof - it isn't important now.
If he: denies it, gets mad and tries to change the argument into the problem being that you snooped, says he is smoking but that he will stop (but says he won't go to treatment because he can do it on his own), calls you a b**** who is trying to control him, or tells you it is no big deal -- leave him. The situation will only get worse, and you will only end up leaving him further down the road, when you're involved even deeper and it will be even harder.
If he: admits it, shows remorse, and IMMEDIATELY agrees to get help -- then I suppose you can wait and see before you make any decisions. But honestly, someone who has this much of a problem, I would never feel I could trust again. I would not be comfortable ever marrying someone who could hide this much from me and who shows such strong tendencies toward habitual illegal drug use. Think of the future with a man like this: financial stress, emotional stress from worrying it will happen again, the stress of giving your children a father like this, and finally, the stress of being with someone who doesn't care about your well-being enough to take care of himself. The only kind of man worth marrying is someone who realizes that making a commitment like that means that he is living for two. Any man who takes risks like this and lies to his GF isn't mature enough to have a long-term relationship. You deserve much better. Hell, ANYONE deserves much better.
BB
- You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. (2Bloved)
thanks sooooo much to all of
thanks sooooo much to all of you that responded! it's been really hard knowing what i know but not confronting him about it yet. I'm still very scared..I feel like I know what I have to do but can't bring myself to do it yet. the thing is he acts so normal..but then will do something that is suspicious. I totally understand what you guys are saying. also good for you guys to know is that he's been into drugs for a while before I met him, he even dealt drugs...but he told me that he had cleaned up his life before he met me..so for about a year from when we first met..there was NONE of this drug stuff. he had even cut off ties with his drug friends..but now they seem to be slowly creeping back into his life. I'm very torn. and shocked that he would do this..especially since he's fighting for custody right now...
it is true he needs to drop
it is true he needs to drop his drug dealing friends..but how should I help him with that..they are all around...I think he may have 2 or 3 friends that don't do drugs or drink..everyone else does...even guys at work..he can't really get away from them..his friends really are bad influences
My dh did drugs and delt
My dh did drugs and delt them as well. I remember him saying he cleaned his act and would never do them again.
ONe time at a party, several of his user friends came and of course offered him to toke. ( its rude to smoke up and not give it around) I was out of site but watching to see if he would take. He refused. Not only once but 7 times!!! YES emmalee, they persist on giving it to him, even after so many times saying no, they were the ones that got insulted and stopped coming around.
In the end, its up to your bf to stand his ground and say no. Now if he likes it, and wants it and you cannot accept it, then bb is right, you leave and thank GOD you are not married.
If he is fighting now for custody, he's probably stressed, his friends know this and are politely pushing him to toke with them.
I'm sorry, but you must confront him and basically tell him you love him but he's gone back to his drug use ( show him proof) and that is something you cannot live with. He needs to make a decision. If he continues, you leave.
I know this will be hard, but think really hard. Do you want someone to be with, have kids with , and take care of his, since he's fighting for custody , and to be stoned ? To lie, steal and stiff you with everything when the going gets rough he takes off to toke with his druggy friends. What will you tell his kids when he comes blood shot eyed and stoned.?
thanks angel..i just can't
thanks angel..i just can't believe he would do this to me. i really beleived him when he told me that hes done with all that. i knew his friends were up to no good..but i thought he was stronger than that. yes i've been putting off getting married for this reason and a few others..i do enjoy being with him but obviously i guess I do not know him completely. thanks for your good advice..its nice to know that people have gone through the same kinds of things..i have kept all this advice in my heart and i'm waiting for a moment to confront him..its tearing me apart
As a former pothead...
From wayyyyyy back in the day, I must say YES, he is smoking pot. At least. The whole "jittery" thing makes me think there might be a little cocaine going on in there too. He's up to no good! Especially for being a Daddy!! RUN AWAY!! I'm sorry you are going through this. MEN!
I think the problem
is not so much the possible weed use, but the fact that he might be lying to you. A lack of honesty and the resulting loss of trust is a relationship killer. This is your primary problem in my opinion and I would confront him and tell him that you suspect him of lying and that you will leave him if he isn't straight with you. Also, you need to decide if you want to be with him and love him enough that you would be willing to stick by him if he is using and is willing to stop. If you aren't then cut the ties now (especially since you aren't married to him!). If he is lying to you then you will not be able to trust him for this or anything else. If a guy lies about drug use, then he could possibly lie about cheating on you and you could wind up broken-hearted and with an std to boot. I would address the lying first and then the possible drug use.
I have friends who smoke and have smoked before, myself. In my experience, jitteryness is not a symptom of weed smoking, unless someone is taking something else in addition (usually caffeine, cocaine, crack, or meth). Symptoms of weed smoking are red eyes, slowness, rambling speech, munchies, sometimes paranoia or anxiety, dry mouth or "cotton" mouth and sleepiness. You will definitely be able to smell it too as it has a very distinctive smell that you will carry with you after smoking, unless you take a shower and change clothes, which I assume he isn't doing when he goes out? From what you describe it doesn't sound like he is using weed. Weed never results in jitters, as it is a downer and actually makes most people very relaxed, mellow, sleepy and slow. I would be very concerned that he is doing a more serious drug, because red eyes and jitteryness can be symptoms of cocaine, meth and crack. Those you can't smell (as far as I know, I have never been around anyone who has done crack or meth, but had a boss once who did cocaine and you couldn't smell it on him). My boss that did cocaine would have red eyes and right after using, he was super hyper and chattered a lot (and talked about things he normally wouldn't share). He had a hard time concentrating, couldn't listen to anyone and had memory problems during and right after using. Cocaine is verrrrry addictive and if that's what's going on, he will need professional help to break his habit. Once other reason I think cocaine (or meth or crack) is more likely than weed, is that weed is not that expensive, but cocaine is. People can get a bag of weed, which will last for three or four days (or more) of constant, continual smoking for $20.00. I don't know exactly how much cocaine costs, but I do know that it is way, way more expensive. Cocaine use destroyed my bosses life. I was working in a restaurant and he used to use, get all hyper and energetic and then he would get angry and be irrational and yell at us all and then when the high wore off, he would get extremely depressed and lethargic. He wound up having to take narcotics (like vicodin or percocet) in order to come down from the coke. He would be all crazy and wild and then take a bunch of vicodins and then go lay down in a booth in the restaurant and sleep. His habit was so expensive and his behavior so horrible that eventually the restaurant failed and he had to file bankruptcy (he owned the place). Last I heard about him, he was living in some ghetto apartment and moved to crack because he couldn't afford coke anymore. It was a horrible thing to witness and he really needed an intervention and rehab.
It isn't your responsibility to "save" him, but you really need to confront him and find out what's really going on. Then you can decide what you are going to do next. I really don't think he's using weed, or using just weed alone, (he might be using weed to mellow down after taking an upper). I think you would smell it on him and it would cost less money than it sounds like he is spending. Also, weed is psychologically addictive, but not physically. You can smoke every day for a year and then stop suddenly and your body will not go into withdrawal. You cannot die from stopping weed, unlike other more dangerous and serious drugs. I have had stoner friends (in college) who quit smoking in order to get jobs. They smoked every day for years and then just quit and it was hard for them mentally, but not physically. Weed is often a social activity and when people quit, it's really hard to be around their friends who still smoke and I think that's one of the hardest things about quitting smoking weed. My H smoked weed in high school and his first year of college and was a total stoner. When Psycho (his ex) got pregnant, he quit smoking and hasn't touched the stuff in 11 years. At the time, he lost a huge circle of friends because it was too hard for him to be around them and their social activities revolved around smoking and stoner culture. So losing friends was hard for him, but physically he didn't have any problems and I've never heard of anyone having problems.
There aren't rehab centers for weed smokers because it's not dangerous to go off of weed. Weed is relatively safe (except that it damages your lungs, although far less than cigarette smoke) and it is impossible to overdose on it. It is often called "weed" because it actually really is a weed. It used to grow naturally all over the United States although it was a far weaker version of the plant that is smoked today. Native Americans used to smoke it, but considered it a pesky weed as did most people back in the day. Over time, people cultivated stronger strains of the plant and the weed today is three times as strong as the weed that was smoked in the seventies. It was used medicinally by early settlers and Native Americans and many people now use it medicinally (hence the Medical Marijuana debate) for cancer, AIDS, chronic pain and anorexia. It is a safe painkiller, helps with nausea (that often accompanies chemotherapy and AIDS medications) and increases appetite for those who have trouble gaining weight or eating. It really does have medicinal value, but is mostly used for recreational purposes. Sorry to ramble on about this, but my mom is a counselor and is currently working for an outreach center for drug addicted homeless teens and I hear about this stuff from her all the time.
The common upper drugs, cocaine, meth and crack, are extremely dangerous and addictive. Withdrawing from these after continual use can actually kill you and is hellishly difficult. Someone with a habit of using one or all of these drugs will need to go to a rehab center where they can taper you off the drug and keep you safe and watch you. Addicts can have seizures really easily when withdrawing and the withdrawal symptoms are so awful that anti-anxiety drugs and replacement fluids are often used (under a doctors supervision, of course).
Well, anyway, I wish you the best of luck with this. I really hope it turns out that he isn't using anything, or anything serious and I hope that he isn't lying to you. I'll be sending good wishes for you and hoping for the best. Keep us posted!
"The truth shall set you free." ~John 8:32
step madre, thanks for your
step madre, thanks for your good advice and info on drugs. I actually had no idea about any of this stuff..so thanks a bunch! yes the underlying problem here is that i suspect he is lying to me. i know it sounds counter-intuitive but I'm kind of waiting for more evidence before I confront him (about lying then the drugs) I would hate to bring up something that was totally conjured up in my head then have him have doubts about me trusting him when he could have been not doing anything all along. yes it hurts and shocks me everytime i see something that leads me to become more convinced that he is lying but i feel like i need lots of proof so that when i do confront him he will see the proof and admit to it. I'd hate to have me come to him and say that i think he has been lying and then have him lie about that and deny it...as for what kind of drug hes using..i'm almost positive that its just weed. he's only been on weed whenever he did use drugs, although he sold cociane too i think and has tried estacy once. but its been just weed before. he's also been doing it for years before he met me so i'm pretty sure he can hide it well. he is alot more tired and having munchies all the time. and he'll randomly say last minute that he has to go meet a friend or go to the "bank" realy quick..i'm not sure if this is when he smokes up or when hes going to buy some. I am wondering when you are addicted or just if you're on weed, how often would you smoke it..obviously i can't keep track of him while hes at work...or before and after..but while hes home or out with me...he doens't do it..nd on his days off he spends all the days with me pretty much without leaving my side..so i'm pretty sure hes not smoking then. thanks again everyone!
It's just so hard but in
It's just so hard but in every other way he really is worth it...he means everything to me and thats why this is so devastating.
Emm....I work in law
Emm....I work in law enforcement....keep in mind....u live in that house.....if there is a raid and they find drugs in the home, u may be charged too....I have seen many an "innocent" gf/spouse charged with possession and even in some extreme cases, manufacturing....U have no idea what he may be into...he may be dealing or he may not.....yur comment that "at least he's making money" may end u up with serious legal troubles....u need to protect yurself.....I also have seen many bfs throw their gfs under the bus to avoid charges....just another perspective u should consider.... good luck
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thanks for your comment
thanks for your comment lotusflower...i am reconsidering my relationship with him
wow thanks for the
wow thanks for the analogy..i can honestly say it has never been so clear to me..it always takes someone else to point out things that are glaring red flags but that you yourself cannot see! anyway, one thing that stood out to me was "no person should be allowed to bring 2 samonites into a relationship"...i am so caught up with this drug and lying stuff that i haven't even thought of SS. my BF is bringing alot of mega sized baggage into our relationship and it has taken a toll on me. it's just really hard because in every other aspect hes the most perfect guy for me.
That sounds more like coke,
That sounds more like coke, crack, meth or pill habit.
In my earlier years I was addicted to meth and script pain pills. Some of the signs of coke, meth, or other use is dilated pupils, jitters, paranoia, starting something and never finishing, disappearing sums of cash, behavior and attitude changes from normal (they seem to have an invincible type of attitude). When a person is coming down or out of their drug of choice they have flu like symptoms, very restless and jumpy, restless sleep, very very irritable, spends alot of time on the phone looking for their drug.
Usually if you smoke week you get very hungry and then very sleepy. Not saying ppl don't get highly addicted to pot but I think it is rare that someone would spend large sums of money on it unless they are big time dealers.
well is 2 grand a large sum?
well is 2 grand a large sum? i think it is..but not sure. he was into big time dealing before..he even had houses. but apparently hes not into that anymore...i think hes more dealing than smoking...although he may be smoking up every so often.. i guess hes been kind of stressed lately..not saying that what hes doing is acceptable though
I agree! First of all, in NO
I agree!
First of all, in NO good relationship would one member of a couple make a decision to spend $2000 without consulting the other. I'm sorry, unless you are Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, $2000 is BIG money. Maybe a couple would decide to blow $2K on something frivolous, but they would decide TOGETHER! Geez.
Second, what your BF is doing is AGAINST THE LAW! He could go to PRISON. AND, people who deal drugs put themselves and their loved ones in DANGER! Tell me what you will do and how you will feel when some day, a man with a gun shows up at your front door demanding money or drugs.
How can you possibly not be packing your bags at this very moment, Manda? What is it going to take to make you see reality? Love is NOT ENOUGH! Remember, even the mothers of convicted murderers love their sons and say "He's a good boy." But you know what? NO HE ISN'T! The mother is BLINDED by what she WANTS to see. You are voluntarily trying to blind yourself from seeing that he is not "great in every other way." He is a drug dealer and user, and there is NO WAY THAT THIS WILL END UP WITH A NICE HOUSE AND A WHITE PICKET FENCE!!!
BB
- You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. (2Bloved)
2K would buy enough weed to
2K would buy enough weed to last most people almost a year. Or it can buy enough 'hard drugs' to last a week.
If he is dealing then he would have money, b/c he is making money from selling the drugs or at least making his money back or most of it.
IF he needs another large sum of money within a week or even a few days then you have a much larger problem.
thanks again everyone for
thanks again everyone for all your responses...they all made me think alot about the situation. nothing has happened much in terms of me finding anymore evidence...but i will update you when something does happen...in the meantime i will continue to monitor my own money and not give him any access to it...he has not asked me for any money since that one time he asked for the house remodel money which i never gave to him...