Ex-wife refuses to pay...
12 years ago, my husbands ex-wife decided that she was more interested in a relationship with the neighbor than her husband, so she announced she wanted out of the marriage. 6 months later she moved out and my husband began the challenge of part-time parenting. Their children were ages 4 (daughter) and 2 (son) when she left. After a lengthy divorce process my husband was granted joint physical and legal custody, and was ordered to pay her $1400 in alimony and $1400 in childsupport. Fast forward - we have now been married for 8 years and have a 7 year old daughter together. Our children's ages are now 16 (SD), 14 (SS), and 7 (BD). The past eight years have been very challenging with the BM. I keep hoping that in time things will improve, and they only seem to be getting worse. She is currently engaged, and we were hoping that if she was happy personally maybe she would improve, but it's actually only gotten worse. She refuses to answer emails, so no matter the question you send to her, no answer.
BM receives $33,000 from us EVERY YEAR - it the past 10 years we have sent her $333,000! She also has a full time sales job. So she has proven her ability to earn money.
She refuses to participate in saving any money for HER children's education - her response when we asked her if she wanted to be involved was "I am sure their father wants them to go to college, he'll figure out a way to pay for it". Of course we have and put every penny we can every month in trying to save for all three children's eduations.
Every time you see her she is in a brand new outfit, she is constantly at the nail shop, having her hair done, or having some sort of plastic surgery or procedure being done.
My 16 year old SD lives with my husband and I full-time and has for almost 2 years. When she annouced she wanted to make the change from switching households every other week to living with us, we sat down with both her and her mom and suggested some counseling. At the end of a lengthy counseling period, even the counselor agreed that the best thing was for BD to live with us full time. BM was upset (as any of us would be), but of course the only thing she said to us was "this is all about the money to you" to us. Of course that wasn't true at all, so we haven't even gone back to court to make an adjustment to CS, just to prove to both SD and BM that this wasn't the case. The reality that has unfolded is that the money is the ONLY thing that matters to the BM. SD spends one night a week having dinner with her BM (does not spend the night). This arrangement seems to work best for both of them. BM has paid for very few things since SD has been living with us. Periodically will purchase an item of makeup or a shirt when they are out, but nothing more. She has paid half of a swim season ($200) and half of a school NYC trip ($300). Our 16 year old is ready for a car - BM wants no part of any expense.
This year my SS decided he wanted to attend private school. We set all appointments and invited BM to join us for all of the school tours, etc. Every time we were at the school, she was too. When it came time to sign the school contracts she happily signed her name and now she is tell us that she isn't going to pay one penny. Our sons education is $21,000/yr. So of course we are killing ourselves trying to figure out how to pay for this. She won't even pay the amount to cover his school lunches or books ($1310 per year). She didn't pay for one back to school supply, doesn't pay for any school lunch, we pay for insurance, and half of all extra sport expenses (SS plays travel hockey), doesn't pay for any clothing for SD and we buy all clothes for SS that he wears when he is at our house. We've purchased most of the equipment for the sports he plays. She knows that we wont let the kids go without, and she always tell them she has no money.
I am pretty frustrated with us going killing ourselves while she floats through life. Can someone tell me what the child support dollars we send to her are supposed to cover???
I am at wits end. We have always tried to do the right thing - and she just keeps getting nastier.
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I think
You have probably double supported a child for long enough...I would have cs reviewed, and the alimony if he's still paying that....maybe what he saves in cs will cover the tuition?
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You really should have the
You really should have the child support reviewed and reduced, considering that now SD lives with you guys full time. Also, what does the decree say about educational expenses? Is it supposed to be 50/50? Just because one parent pays the other child support doesn't mean that the one receiving is not obligated to support the child. What kind of alimony is it? Depending on where you are and the type, it can be terminated if she is living with someone (her fiance). FH is stuck for the next few yeas paying alimony because it's "lump sum alimony" and even though BM is living with her bf and totally financially dependent on him (she doesn't work), we can't get it terminated because it's lump sum.
So, when SS is with us every
So, when SS is with us every other week, the fiance lives at her place - when SS is with her the fiance lives at his own place.
The decree says nothing about educational expenses. The BM sent me an email saying "if you would have asked me I would have told you I wasn't going to be willing to pay for private school" - but we had many conversations about private school and both my husband and her signed the contract for the school. She was privy to all of the information that we were. When the first payment was due, she made the annoucement that she wasn't going to pay. She knows that we ill pay - so she does this. It's so frustrating. I want to always make sure our focus is best for the children, but this is getting ridiculous with her. She pays for practically nothing! I can't seem to figure out what child support is supposed to cover.
The divorce decree has no end date to alimony payment. Only says pay until the court rules otherwise. My husband had a terrible lawyer, but now we cannot afford the money to go back to court and fight this.
Yeah, my FH got screwed too
Yeah, my FH got screwed too in the divorce decree. I don't think his attorney was aggressive AT ALL and FH doesn't like conflict, and was already tired I guess, so he just agreed to it. Our BM doesn't pay for anything and if we should ask for her to contribute, her reply starts with, "The divorce decree says" blah blah blah. The stuff she does get him consists of clothes (an outfit EOW), candy and lots of it and some of his extra curricular expenses while he's at her house engaging in said activities. Otherwise, we pay for everything else.
Child support? None ordered for FH and her. But in my case, my BD10, I get child support from my XH. As I understand it, it's supposed to cover the costs of supporting my daughter which does include some household stuff, food (she lives with me full time), her extra-curricular, school lunches, braces, clothes etc. I stretch every cent of that child support to cover the things she needs and provide the rest myself.
I will never understand why.........
These BMs don't feel like they should have to be responsible in the supporting of their children. And we're supposed to think they're great parents. I never felt better in my life than after I threw my dead beat husband out of my house and took care of my responsiblities on my own with no help from anyone!!!! Let me tell you something - these BMs will never "get" that feeling because between their Exes and others, they are enabling these BMs to stay ridiculously dependent on everyone around them. And they will be raising the children exactly the same way!!!!
******My daddy always said: "It's better to be a SMARTASS, than a DUMBASS!******
It's very true about the BM.
It's very true about the BM. She feels very "entitled", which I don't understand at all. She was the one that left!
For something like this, I'd say try doing it yourself.....
the issue of child support and alimony seem pretty cut and dry to me. All you'd have to do is file a review of child support and alimony. You dont necessaraly need an attorney to do it. Most states have the forms online along with detailed instructions on how to fill them out. What's the worst that could happen, the judge denying your request? Well then you'd be no worse off than before, but at least you gave it a shot.
I wouldn't pay
I wouldn't pay for the school. Check with an attorney first, but if BMs signature is on the contract too, she is 1/2 responsible for the payments. If your DH doesn't pay, they'll go after BM for the payments too. And definitely get the cs reviewed and reduced, if not eliminated. Why have you been paying her child support when she doesn't support any child? And if she's doing well financially, I'd cut her completely off, or at least try to.
Time to amend CS and nail her
Time to amend CS and nail her ass to the wall. Have fun. It can be a true blast when you have someone so in need of a legal beating in court.
Letting her off of the hook to prove that the whole custody thing was NOT about money has run it's course. Continuing down that path is no longer viable or healthy. If BM won't contribute to the education of her children then it is time to take custody and every penny you can get in CS to help do the things that BM should gladly contribute to.
All IMHO of course.
Best regards,
Alimony is sexist and
Alimony is sexist and outdated. If this choice was made 10 years ago, file an appeal. There are many judges who will toss it.