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Mommy Dearest Has Ruined SD

Uddermudder123's picture

The depths to which SD17's BM can go has no bounds.  Let me preface this by stating that DH and I have not seen SD17 in months - roughly October for me and early December for DH.  BM has classic narcassistic personality disorder and makes SD17 feel guilty any time she wants to come see us apparently.  SD17 continues to not go to school but can work part time.  BM has a doctor who has prescribed SD17 meds for undiagnosed ADHD, depression and anxiety AND SD17 is addicted to weed.  Even her doctor has told her that she can't be smoking it while on the meds she is on. 

SD17's home environment with BM is extremely toxic - yelling, screaming, name calling, putting each other down.  But SD17 has become accustomed to it - to the point where coming to our home is uncomfortable for her because we don't yell and scream, etc...

BM announced to SD17 the other day that she is selling their home in the coming months and that SD17 needs to figure out what she is doing - continue living with BM, or find somewhere else to live.  DH has offered for her to come to our home, however, we have rules:  no drugs (SD17's older brother passed away from an overdose just over a year ago) and if she is indeed addicted then she will need to get into rehab before staying with us, by the time the house sells she will most likely be 18 therefore we can't force her to go to school, so she will have to find a full time job and pay rent, and she will need to have a mental health assessment to determine what medications (if any) she actually needs to be on and then attend regular therapy sessions.   

As much as my relationship with SD17 over the past few years has disintegrated due to BM's gaslighting, deflecting and brainwashing of SD17, I do feel very sorry for her and have always wanted the best for her.  When she was younger I thought she might have had a chance to go a different route than her brother and BM (who doesn't work, found a doctor who signed disability forms so she lives off of disability and expects everyone to pay her way).  I remember when she used to say that she never wanted to be like her brother and she still says BM is a lazy piece of s&%t.  But over the past few years, she has declined, she has become combative, been kicked out of school numerous times for fighting.  She has been smoking weed regularly for the past two years and admits she "needs" it on top of the other medications that she is on.  She hasn't been to school in over a month.  She states she has no interest in it.  But she does go to her part time job.  

Whenever she has been to our home or with us, she is a different person.  But she tells DH she is uncomfortable and that she feels like she is being judged.  That makes me sad and also angry because I know alot of that is coming from BM.   It makes me sad because all DH and I have every wanted was for her to have a safe and healthy environment and unfortunately BM has put it in her head that our home is the one that is toxic and unhealthy (deflecting of course).  I feel sad for DH because no matter what he tries to do, he is met with the same excuse "I feel judged".  I'm not sure why she feels that way - we see her so very little that we don't want to spend whatever time we have with her questioning her on why she isn't going to school, why she gets in fights with others, why is she doing drugs when she knows what her brother's addiction put everyone through for years - including herself.  She typically wants to talk about the crap going on at home with BM which is fine. We listen.  DH lets her know that we are here for her.  But unfortunately, I feel, that she (via BM) has put a wedge between herself and DH (and by extension me), that when we do see her, it feels awkward and uncomfortable.  There are times when some of the discussions that SD17 intigates, it sounds like something that BM has asked her to bring up with us.  That we have to be very careful how we respond as we know that SD17 always reports back to BM.  

SD is a very angry girl with little to no confidence which manifests itself in her being a bully to others (she even attempted to bully me a few years ago).  This makes me sad because when she was a young girl she was the kid who was sticking up for the kids who were being bullied.  And now she is one.  It shouldn't surprise me since she grew up with BM being the ultimate bully.

Suffice it to say, that I am very apprehensive about the possibility of having SD17 move in with us.  When SS lived with us when he was her age and just getting into the thick of his addiction, it was a horrible experience.  I'm sorry to say but it was.  I'm sure I have some PTS from it.  I wouldn't wish dealing with an addicted loved one on anyone.  It makes me tired to even think of having her here. Is that horrible of me?  She is DH's youngest daughter, he wants to help her and be there for her.  Which of course I completely understand.  But god help me, I just don't want to go through all of that again.  And I'm afraid that our marriage may not be able to withstand it.  I know I'm jumping ahead here.  She may end up going to live with BM anyway.  

Thanks for letting me vent. 

 

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CastleJJ's picture

You are not wrong in your feelings at all. You have a PASed, unaccountable, lazy, addicted SD who wants to rekindle a relationship after months, solely to have a place to live. You are within your right to be scared. 

Ideally, SD would just move wherever BM moves and you don't have to worry about it. But, if she does move in with you, I wouldn't expect it to go well. You can set rules and expectations all day long, but I don't think it will take long for her to refuse to follow them or create problems over them. What will DH do to hold her accountable? Or is DH the type to let it slide after the rules have been violated? What is the punishment if she is rude and disrespectful toward you? This kid is not going to launch, so you have to determine how long you are okay with this arrangement? Are you okay with a 20-something living at your house, smoking pot, and working part time, because that will likely be the reality. She has learned helplessness and lack of responsibility from her BM and that behavior is not going to change. 

What is the plan? How long will DH and you allow her to live with you? At what point is she out on the streets? What are the consequences if she breaks the rules? All of these questions need to be discussed and serious conversations need to be had before she ever steps foot in your door. 

la_dulce_vida's picture

Cannabis might be habitually addictive (a habit), but it is not physiologically addictive like heroin or pain killers. I think it's concerning that her doctor advises against using it with her other meds. I have a son on anti anxiety and ADD meds who was cleared by his doctor to use gummies to help him sleep.

I do think that you are overreacting to her use of cannabis. Yes, she should follow doctor's orders and YES, she is young and it's not best for a growing brain to be using the stuff daily. BUT, she is not going to overdose on it and it's not the "gateway" drug it was once believed to be.

So, with all due respect, I would encourage you to try to calm down about her being "addicted to weed." She's in the habit of using weed and it's easily undone with some counseling....because it's psychological.

Your SD may very well need a pharmaceutal reset or recalibration. She also clearly needs therapy.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Her brother died from an OD, so i wonder if there are other drugs involved. Plus we don't know what the other meds SD takes are. If it looks like she is going down the path of SS, it has to be worse than just weed. Nobody dies from a weed OD. Might be mental illness or just the results of being raised by a bad BM, too. If the girl were otherwise polite and functional but just smoked (or ate or whatever) weed, OP wouldn't be dreading her moving in. The weed is just what OP knows about so may be blaming for the behaviors, but it has to be other issues, too.

ETA my SO is in the process of kicking his daughter (24) out, yet again. BM2 used SD's weed habit in her ex-parte a few years back to try to get custody of the SSs. SD is from BM1. SD is a very chaotic individual, bounces from job to job, couch to couch, has extreme mental tantrums and threatens suicide. My SO also makes a big deal about the weed. It is OBVIOUSLY not just weed. 

Rags's picture

I have churned this in my brain for a while and nothing comes to mind.

Google says Estimated Time of Arrival which does not seem to fit for the use  of ETA I have seen on STalk recently.

Thanks,
Rags

Rags's picture

THC is not entirely a behavioral addiction, it does have physiological addictive risks as well. Not as much as say niccotine, cocaine, opiats, etc... but it is addictive.

The cannabis effect

Cannabis, like nicotine, works in the part of the brain that is associated with pleasure. Dr. Fong explained that people who have a “positive” experience with marijuana after the first try are likely to go back and do it again, which is where the overuse begins.

“Cannabis is not as addictive as nicotine, but it’s not a zero percent chance,” Dr. Fong said. “With nicotine, there is about a 30% chance you get addicted. With cannabis, there is about a 9% chance.”

Nicotine, e-cigarettes, cannabis: All pose different risks and all can be hard to stop | UCLA Health

In some States it can  be Rx'd by a Doc for medicinal use.  A concept I am not against by any means.  In fact, I am not against it as a legal recreational chemical. However, my preference would be for it to not be legal recreationally. 

The behavioral and low level physiological addictive properties not withstanding, then there is the under the influence immediate job termination risk. 

Cannabis may not be illegal in someone's state and even could be legal for recreational use, but it can still get you fired.  Not unlike being drunk at work.  In my industry/profession, people under the influence of recreational substances die far more often than those who do not partake and even if they don't get themselves killed, when caught, they get fired. After that violation, returning to work anywhere in the industry is extremely unlikely.

But better unemployed than dead.

Harry's picture

I could never go through what I went with SD. Just a unheathly unfixable kid.  You do it once, can't do it again 

Survivingstephell's picture

Weed and certain meds don't mix so I would question her prescriptions and also agree about the weed not being addictive but a bad mix with her meds.  Two very different things.  
 

I would not let her come live with me.  That's just inviting drama to move in and my tolerance for drama is practically nonexistent.  I'm sure yours is too.  Is DH a Disney, rose colored glasses knight in shining armor type? Or will he giver her the tough life she needs to grow up into a functioning adult?   

Uddermudder123's picture

Thanks for all your comments and insights.  Regarding SD's weed use - by her own admission to DH, she can't live without it.  She's 17 and has been smoking it regularly since she was 15.  Typically I'm not opposed to anyone smoking weed (it is legal here in Canada).  However, she is on a medication that her own doctor has told her that she can't smoke with.  And that does not deter her.  And like I said, she is underage so we don't know where she is getting her weed from.  19 is the legal age here to purchase weed products - legally. 

Are there other drugs involved?  That too is a good question.  I would hope that she isn't taking anything else.  But she had always said she never wanted to go down the same road as her brother and would never do drugs period.  And like I said, what she says and does around DH and I, is very different than the SD we know.

Mental health issues - I have no doubt that there is definitely something going on there considering the environment she has grown up in.  However, she has not been formerly assessed.  What medications she is on - that's a great question - because she is 17 we are unable to access this information even when DH's insurance pays for the meds.  

Regarding dreading her moving in if it were just weed intake - even with the weed use, that is a trigger for me.  Her brother was a heavy weed user on top of mental health issues (was eventually diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder - sociopath) and was on a number of meds for adhd, anxiety and eventually anti-psychotics.  These on top of the other drugs he did illegally like xanax in copious amounts, and then moving on to crack, meth, coke that eventually ended his life.   He didn't go to school, he went to see a psychiatrist once who told him she couldn't diagnose him because he was too high, he never worked and instead got into selling drugs.  

DH is definitely the softer parent - parental guilt about leaving the kids, working two jobs when they were young to put food on the table and now guilt surround SS's death. DH is so afraid of something happening to SD now.  However, you can only push him so far before he will be crack the whip.  Would DH hold SD accountable if she broke house rules?  10 years ago, with SS, I would have said no until it got to a point where I was threatened by SS.  SS was kicked out for good then.  He is aware of what SD is like and I think because she is very combative, I think that wouldn't go over very well now. She is her BM's daughter after all and has learned everything she knows from that woman.  

DH and I are both a little older and, I hope, a little wiser and have settled into our lives so I think any disruption to that would be a detrement to SD. I've already let him know that I don't want her drama here and that I don't know if I can do that again.  My home is my safe place.  And if that is disrupted, and I have to start walking on eggshells in my own home for fear of setting her off or being bullied....well that will not work for me and I've told DH that. 

Rags's picture

with a pile of MIP citations and kept her in front of a Judge.

I would if I were you.  She isn't 19 yet so... call law enforcement every time she is under the influence, you smell it, etc....

There is not a lot of time left so get her on the LEO radar screen and ramp up the pressure on her for her choices.

Rags's picture

Nope, do not become this willfully failed near adult's pot head flop house.

She is putting far more effort into crashing and burning than she is in finishing HS and being a decent person.  She has to live those consequences.

Sadly, far too many families go down in flames with this type of person while trying to help.

Love her, but leave her to her own choices and the consequences for those choices.  Do not  let her or her crap into your home and life any more. You have paid for that privelege (CS) for a very long time. Cut her off. She can follow mommy when mommy sells and leaves. Or... she can adult up and rescue  herself.

IMHO of course.

Harry's picture

I feel sorry for this kid.  She doles't deserve this life. But you are getting yourself into a batttle.  SD/ drugs/angure/you.

with a possibility tshis came br fixed.  Or a life time os the same.

Harry's picture

I feel sorry for this kid.  She doles't deserve this life. But you are getting yourself into a batttle.  SD/ drugs/angure/you.

with a possibility tshis came br fixed.  Or a life time os the same.

Harry's picture

I feel sorry for this kid.  She doles't deserve this life. But you are getting yourself into a batttle.  SD/ drugs/angure/you.

with a possibility tshis came br fixed.  Or a life time os the same.  My SD was unfixable. God knows all the hospitals , Dr. medical professionals.  Some flat out telling you she too far gone they don't want to go near her.  It was so hard see her destroy her life. Watching he go down hill. Her only friend were just as unstable.