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I finally had enough. Last night, as usual, I was the only one awake in the house. Trying to figure out why I am beginning to get depressed and what to do about it. Trying not to focus on how lonely and pissed off I feel more and more nowdays. Feeling like the worst person on earth as I google 'I really don't like my stepdaughter'. And I found this site. and I really don't LIKE my stepdaughter. BUT reading through some of these posts have really helped. It really helps to know I am not the worst woman on earth, and that other people feel this way. I have told my husband, my BIL, and most of my friends the following. If my h and my sd disappeared (ie, just did not come home one day, no violence just NOTHING), I don't know that I would report them missing for a few days. I really might just take some time, take the silence, and take the peace and BREATHE. For a few days, then I would fill out the missing persons report, and they would be found, doing whatever dumbass idea/thing they came up with that was perfectly logical to both of them. And I would become reimmersed in the constant state of irritation I seem to exist in. Gosh, where to start. About us, about the mess that I involved myself in before I really knew or understood what I was embarking on. I guess the past and the stories will come naturally. Where I am right now.... Once again, we are at me feeling like a total pos for even saying/thinking these things about a 12 yo who has had the life she has had. BUT for gods sake, when is enough enough. When does her past really not have any bearing on her current shitty behavior? I mean REALLY (me shrieking in frustration). A very simple start. She has essentially the same chores my five year old does, and you guessed it, he does them better. I don't know if you have ever thought about this (obviously I have), but how many clocks are in your house... I mean really. Most of us have an alarm clock in every bedroom, our microwave has a clock, our stove has a clock and there are a few other random clocks in the house, along with the cell phone clocks (3 cells here), the clocks on the laptops, the house phone, the watches two people wear, and a few other ways to tell time in our house. So take these, combine them with the fact that my sd has had the same bedtime for a while (read a year or more), the fact that she is a slug in the morning so is encouraged to take a shower before bed (read: encouraged to have relatively normal hygiene habits), and PLEASE explain to me, WHY in the hell she has to be told every night to take a shower before bed??? I mean with all the other things she has to be told, is this necessary. Mind you, if you don't tell her before bedtime, she simply won't shower. And for some reason it irks the hell out of me to have to tell her this. The entire hygiene thing is an issue. Some examples... I work in a male dominated industry. I am the boss of men (ha and I don't mean it the way I used to in college!). One of my workers (who is pretty low income- no car, relys on lots of assistance), actually asked her why on earth she dressed the way she does when he knows what kind of clothing she has. So someone who is two steps above homeless notices how inappropriate her appearance is. My husband actually has made comments (to me, not her) 'what is the deal with her hair, she looks like a fly who just crawled out of a bucket of syrup?'. My husband is NOT Tim from Project Runway either. I have raised her full time since she was five. I used to braid/brush/style her hair. I dressed her, it is not like she does not know. It is more like she is doing this to get at me. Her dad has actually made her go change before he would go to the grocery store with her pissy little ass in tow. Once again, a man who works in construction. Are you getting a visual of her appearance. AAARRRRGHHHH. This weekend. She throws a fit because she 'has no clean jeans'. Three pair of her jeans are in the dirty clothes. I go into her room and there are five pair of pants on hangers. I ask her what those are, and I get the face I have come to love so much. Kind of a cross between someone who just might go psycho on you look in their eyes and someone who just ate a big steaming pile of dog crap. It is a wonderful expression. Actually it makes me want to slap her. Nice huh? I feel horrible even typing this. In the past year I have spent more on clothes for her, than I have spent on my son since his birth. Read: she has gotten so fat that she has gone through four sizes of clothing. I am 5'6 and about 125. Fairly decent shape. She is maybe 5'4, weighs a little less than me (muscle weighs more than fat), and is three sizes larger than me. Further clarification so one can understand my frustration. She is 12 and wears a womans 9/10, I wear 3/4. That is the only size her ass and gut will fit into. No husky sizes for us. Once again, I have had her since she was five. I cook and we all eat healthy. Fruit, lots of chicken, veggies. She however, will steal food. Literally steal, I have been at the grocery store and she is stealing chips (hiding over in the aisle shoveling them in from the bag). It is mortifying. She is getting fat. She has stretch marks and a gut like I had when I was six months pregnant. It actually grosses me out. I have her in counseling for the eating, and pretty much everything else I will be bitching about, but I just need to say it. She will wear pants that she can't button all the way up (due to gut), in public. She is too lazy to exersice. She actually expends more energy avoiding physical activity than she would spend if she just broke down and exercised. I have repeately addressed the weight thing. I mean, she has enough going against her that for her to have to battle her weight her entire life is something I would think we could avoid. Yeah right. This is a massive problem since I hate lazy. People who are too lazy to work, too lazy to do something right, too lazy to put honest effort into something. Too lazy to maybe take the harder path even though it is worth it. And she is definitely looking to be lazy. Ok, must make coffee. I will return

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soverysad's picture

Take a breath. Welcome to the site. You are not alone. It is okay that you don't like her. First, lets ignore her weight issue. While it is a problem, it is not YOUR problem. If she wants to be fat and unhealthy, so be it. Focus on the real issue, which is her laziness (which you're reminded of because she is fat). Are there consequences for her behavior? First of all, if she has no clean clothes, that is her problem. She is old enough to do her own laundry. What kinds of things do you do for her? Anything you can stop doing if she refuses to do certain things you ask (i.e., take a shower and dress appropriately)? How about stop taking her places? If she wants to go to school looking like a train wreck. Let her. Trust me - at some point there will be natural consequences of being a slob. BUT you don't have to take her anywhere with you if she looks that way. Just refuse. And quit buying her stuff. You aren't obligated to keep buying her stuff. I know it is embarrassing and difficult, but sometimes you need to protect your own sanity. Rather than "reminding" her to shower every night, tell her that if she doesn't shower on her own before bed, you WILL wake her up an hour early in the morning and drag her into the shower. Creature is only 5 and this worked on her. She dragged her feet not wanting to shower and dh woke her an hour early to shower the next day. She was NOT happy, but she learned her lesson. When she whines that she can't "find" something or she has no clean clothes, ignore her. Not your problem. You're investing too much of yourself into who she is and you're frustrated because she doesn't get it. You can't change her, you can only change you.

"A pessimist complains about the wind, an optimist counts on the wind changing, a realist adjusts his sails"

tiffanysterror's picture

Wow, I was not expecting a comment so quickly! I was typing like a madwoman, just glad to get some of this off of my chest! I don't have a big chest but there is 7 years of pent up crap sitting on it! Yes, we have tried consequences, and it honestly got to the point it was more work for me and I just off and on ignore her. I do everything for her. It is cheaper that way. I know this sounds crazy but you would not believe the amount of shit she has damaged/tore up/destroyed by me trying to enforce consequences. I have a fridge (like everyone, hah!) not a subzero, but not a dorm fridge. When you ask her to put stuff up she throws crap in there willy nilly. I made her clean it out. She BROKE some of the shelves. I mean, the shelves of the freaking fridge. the new black fridge that was about six months old. Once again, I could have slapped her. My H was just kind of blown away. He got mad/said something, but he was just kind of blown away. I kept thinking her friends would kind of get the appearance thing under control but since cruddy appears to be fine, that is shot. AND we cant leave her at home alone. She will eat whatever doesnt eat her first, and get into EVERYTHNING, including my jewelry. I may try to morning shower thing, but once again, it seems to get her more attention by forcing someone else in the family to have to do something extra to punish her. Her room got so disgusting (mind you with weekly checks of me goiing through her room and throwing various goodies away), that we pulled everything out of it. Military style. She has a bed a closet a light and a chest for underwear etc. I had an ongoing, rampant roach (and I mean roach, like disgusting crackhouse roach, not waterbug) issue due to her. She had banana peels in her drawers, empty pop cans hidden away. It got to the point where I had to regularly go through every nook and cranny in her room. Then I pulled all the furniture out and gave it away. I told her her next step was a tent in the backyard. It sounds horrible I know. BUT AAAARRRGHHH. She had a fing bag with maggots in it under her bed. Btw, the latest therapist suggests she may be depressed. I think she is obnoxius and disgusting and thinks the quickest way to get to me is through the health department! Is it even worth it on the showering? I mean is it written somewhere she even has to shower, or just that she has to have access to one? Because on that vein, I don't know if I even care if she is dirty per se, I guess she can wait in the car for me....

soverysad's picture

First, stop doing things for her. If she doesn't want to do things for you (chores) without breaking things, then stop doing anything for her. No rides anywhere, no new clothes, no special groceries, no cell phone. Nothing. If you buy treats for you or your son. Hide them and don't let her know you have them. Get a lock box for your jewelry and anything else you value so she can't ruin your stuff. If she is depressed, it is likely because she has no self worth because she knows she is being a terror. Honestly, I think the maggot incident would have had her out of my house. There is no freakin' way she'd be living in my house. As long as there is a shower available to her, you can't force her to shower, but I wouldn't be seen with her. Personally, I wouldn't let her live in my house unshowered, but that is me. She'd be getting out of bed super early to do it. I'd make her life as uncomfortable as humanly possible until she understood that I was in charge. She'd be staying in the car.

"A pessimist complains about the wind, an optimist counts on the wind changing, a realist adjusts his sails"

tiffanysterror's picture

I don't do much for her at this point. I had to buy the clothes out of necessity. I mean, I can't send her to school in unbuttoned pants, or shirts with her gut hanging out of without fear of reprisal from cps. And I worry about my son. CELL PHONE, are you kidding me????? We live in Texas, she is on a special insurance program based on teh situation. Basically medicaid. She went through so many pair of glasses last year, that even though they are deemed medically necessary, they won't pay for them! I don't get her anything special anymore. I am out of shit to take away. I guess I need to get a lock for our bedroom. Nice huh, a deadbolt on my bedroom door in my own house? We were working one day, and apparantly she felt the urge to go in, root thru my drawers and show the babysitter my jewelry. Thank god for a decent sitter. That could have been a problem. I have no where for her to go. The maggot thing was pretty bad, the fruit fly thing was pretty bad, the roach infestation was pretty bad.... The combination of it all is still mind blowing. I guess what I was getting at with the shower is that it is not like she really EVER does anything to break a sweat and the battle is just annoying... and I was just thinking like you said, she can sit in the car or in the backyard. Basically be ignored until she can act like someday she may turn out to be a productive member of society. I don't know anymore. There is so much more, invovled, but this is the stuff that makes me say if they disappeared, there would be a break before the missing persons report...

Thetis's picture

She went through so many pair of glasses last year, that even though they are deemed medically necessary, they won't pay for them!
My parents started to duct tape my brother's glasses when he broke them, because he went through soo many pairs. He looked like an idiot, but he takes care of his glasses now.

tiffanysterror's picture

You aren't going to believe me on this but that is what I did. She was trotting around with taped up glasses looking like steve erkle. I told her therapist, and everyone that it had passed ridiculous and until she earned new frames I was not buying them. little did I know I apparantly needed to go to her school and tell every one of her teachers. she went to class, did the bawling manipulative thing and...One of them tried to help her, used some kind of superglue that maybe melted? the plastic frame, so the bottom line was you couldn't tape/glue them and the lens stay in. Mission accomplished. 2nd pair of frames in 2010.

tiffanysterror's picture

She just annoys me. When she was young, she could get annoying, but this is another world. This is a horrible analogy but here goes. When you are at a friends house, and their dog comes up to you and you pet it. Then it won't leave you alone, you are done petting, most dogs would have been good, but this dog won't quit. Then you're annoyed and don't want to pet it anymore. You just want it to go away. You would give her attention, show her affection, but it was never enough. She would just go and drain you. Until you were annoyed. I mean, I can be as affectionate as the next person, but really. I don't know if anyone understands but like one hug,ok, two hugs, ok, fifteen hugs.... getting annoyed, fifty hugs...FO. It was and continues to be draining. Now it is, her:'Do you remember.....(long story that may or may not be humerous)?' Me: 'haha, yeah that was fun/funny/(whatever appropriate comment). Her:'Do you remember... To the point of me: Yes, I remember, I was there, there is nothing wrong with my memory, or my brain.

soverysad's picture

I totally get it. You give an inch, she wants a mile. Nothing wrong with being annoyed. I struggle with this daily with Creature. I call it the "look at me, Creature show" and it is never-ending. I just ignore her. Honestly, I used to let it bother me, but now I just say "I am busy and I don't have time to entertain you, please go keep yourself busy". It hurt her feelings and she tried to make me feel guilty and she told dh and Wingnut (her mother) that I was mean. Whatever. Even if I were her parent, I wouldn't feel obligated to entertain her all day long. DH has started telling her "I know you exist, I don't have to be looking at you all day long". Don't let it annoy you, just tell her "enough". You don't have to be mean about it, but it is your right to have physical and emotional boundaries. There is absolutely nothing wrong with just saying "we just talked about that. I said I remembered. I need some quiet time now". Hell, go buy yourself an ipod and keep the ear buds in all day. I sit with a book even when I am not reading because it presents a barrier.

"A pessimist complains about the wind, an optimist counts on the wind changing, a realist adjusts his sails"

tiffanysterror's picture

LOL on the book. I feel horrible, but in the car she will start the endless crap and I just turn up the radio and start signing. Real mature on my part I know.

tiffanysterror's picture

I guess I thought when she got older, and was more secure in our relationship, that draining need would abate. Instead it has just changed form. AND a lot of this worries me because I don't want my son affected/learning it. He already has learned about sneaking food and lying from her. I also for her sake wish she would learn how to relate SOMEWHAT normally to people for her own sake. I mean, I only have five more years on this sentence. I would like to think that she took something from this all.

soverysad's picture

Start teaching your son now that just because someone else behaves badly does not mean he can. Make sure there are consistent consequences for his behavior so you aren't repeating this nonsense with him as he gets older.

"A pessimist complains about the wind, an optimist counts on the wind changing, a realist adjusts his sails"

tiffanysterror's picture

He is awesome. He is a bright happy positive person who is full of life energy and fun. He has a chore chart on the fridge that he actually enjoys filling out and gets a sense of accomplishment from. If I begin cleaning, he wants to help (he is 5 so it is part of his age), and will be hurt if you don't let him. She will sit there like a bump on a log and let you clean around her. I had started my own business when he was about two. I liked him so much (yeah, I know it sounds odd, but he was a funny little person who was nice to be around) that I did not send him to pk3, I took him with me. As a consequence, he was around adults a lot, and knows how to speak to adults and conduct himself. When I enrolled him in pk4, I missed him. He knows about as much about what I do as the 12 yo. And he is smart enough to actually get on her about it. I feel bad at times about that too. Like I am raising them totally seperate. But they are so different. His approach to the world is so similar to mine. She has said I like him better. And I guess I do, if they were not related to me, I would be friend with him. Not her. This is not a new thing. When my H and I hooked up, both of his children lived with us. And even back then, I liked her brother, my ss, and her personality annoyed me. She lies, sneaks, steals. Basically I am not super religious, but even if you were to look at the ten commandments, she only has a few of them still intact. Meaning, the stuff I am asking/expecting of her is not super weird, or abnormal.

tiffanysterror's picture

I mean, ideally since she has two living parents, why am I even doing this. She is a negative force on the house, my life, my son, her father... And yet I still feel bad for her at times. She is tall. Considerably taller than her contemporaries and I understand that is hard, and makes her stand out. So why does she do this other stuff with her appearance. She is pretty as well. Hard to tell thru the hair hanging in her face, the crud around her mouth, and the beautiful expression she perpertually has... I don't know. My husband was born poor, dirt poor. He had to work since a very young age, and literally had to quit school to work (in the 9th grade). He is not well educated, but not stupid. One of the things that always attracted me to him was his work ethic. A twelve hour day, in the texas sun. No big deal. Nothing to be mad or pissy or negative about. Just something you have to do. Yeah, if he had had an education could he have had an easier life. Sure but no point dwelling on it. So, that attitude produces a child who will hide (literally hide)_ in the doghouse to avoid being told to help with something. His life has bettered since we married. And he realizes this, and is sort of appreciative. She acts like the benefits of living with me are something she is entitled to, not something to be grateful for. Had I not hired the lawyer and she was still with her mother she would likely be living in whatever living room her mother found for them at the moment. With her mother they moved on average every three months. Now that she is here she has been in the same house, same school for six years. She has age appropriate, decent clothing, braces on her teeth, healthcare, regular hot meals, uninterrupted electricity, exposure to all kinds of things. And all I have is the misery and expense of some rude, dirty unappreciative smart ass. Oh, lets not forget. Two and a half years ago, my husband was doing some side work for me (great, a little guilt here), and permanently damaged his back which has led to another slew of issues, but my point being that I am now supporting all of us. Which you know, fine, life happens, but you combine it all, and what you get is me being a little immature and a little resentful.

tiffanysterror's picture

Oh, yes, she has been to more doctors, therapists, counselors, and is scheduled for another psyc assesment. I keep thinking there has to be something we can pinpoint because how on earth could anyone want to live this way. The issues constantly change though. it is like a rollercoaster ride that NEVER has the same curves etc. No, he doesn't correct her or anything like that, it is more that when she is tattling on him, he retaliates by commenting on her behavior. I guess my point is that her behavoiur is so abberant that someone at the age of five gets it. Like for a while she went through a cat obsession. She would be going at him, and he would come back at her that 'at least he doesn't draw cats all day' type comment. It is more what I overhear between them that makes it clear. I guess what I mean by get on her is this recent example- we are in the car going to a rent house that we have worked at for five years. The only place we go in the area we are at, and the only way to go to this rent house. She is like where are we going. (Mind you I told them when we loaded up I needed to run over there real quick). I say where did I tell you we were going ten minutes ago. She starts that loud whiny voice. I turn up the radio. he tells her. 'xxx house, this is the way to xx house, mom said we were going to xx house. ' She gets all pissy. I don't know if you understand what I mean, I guess I am saying it is so obvious that a lot of her bs is just crap and even he gets it. When they bicker (99.999%) of the time, I don't play favorites... I just tell them both to shut up! I don't know......

tiffanysterror's picture

I guess where I am going with this is I am willing to try to understand and empathize with her. But she doesn't make it easy. When she was young and still with her mom, she would come stay with us on weekends. (Point that will come up:I was born and raised on the TExas/mexico border which is a pretty poor economy.) She gave me lice. Not her fault, she was a kid, whatever. About this time, her mom was flaking off and on and she was staying with us more on than off. I treat her, the house, her brother, me, blah, blah. She comes back. new lice infestation. I eradicate. I send her home with appropriate shampoo, sprays, etc, to avoid reinfestation of her/her stuff. She comes back, the lice come with. I treat.... Oh wait, this is where it gets good. They are not dying. What is the deal. I go buy more stuff, still no result, try another brand. Finally I call the texas lice hotline (who knew such a thing existed?). Apparantly she has some mutant form of lice that are super lice and are immune to the treatments. Her dumbass of a mother used the shampoo wrong, and rather than kill them, just made them sick enough or whatever to be stronger and be able to resist traditional shampoos. I shit you not. I NEVER had lice in my life but this kid gives them to me repeatedly. So, on the internet I go. My old school husband calls his sister. I shave he and his son's head, treat her and my head with kerosine then olive oil and bagged for 8 hours. Lice dead. I refuse to let her get reinfested. she goes back to her mother one more time. I have one more wonderful go round of lice treatment. Time passes. Things change, We get custody, We get married We move into my house. She comes home from school with lice (5th grade). I treat all of us. 6th grade-repeat... summer before 7th grade-repeat. But here it gets even cuter. There is a little bitty comb that one must use to rake all the lice eggs out, the shampoo like kills the live ones, but the eggs will still hatch so they have to be combed out. I just shave my husband and sons head. I treat myself, and comb for hours. She wont comb out her hair. I mean, just sits there and half assed combs randomly. She is eleven and too old for me to do this for her I feel. I tell her this. I also tell her she can comb it or I will hack her hair off but I am damn sure not combing her hair. She won't do it. I cut all her hair about an inch long. she is mad and bawls. I inform her that next time all I will do is shave her head. She knows the kids down the street always have lice, she knows to stay away from them, and it is like she is going and rubbing her head against theirs. So then, her hair starts to grow out. I tell her, it is your hair, I don't care, I will get it cut any way you want, y ou just need to take care of it and keep it out of your face. Too much work, we continue cutting it short. I buy her a ten dollar magazine full of hairstyles. She is too lazy to pick one out. She finally does. The magazine acidentally gets closed. She is too lazy to look and find the picture again. This goes on, I ignore her. She bears a strong resemblence to cousin it. There is a dance at her school. She picks out a hairstyle. I take her and pay. Looks cute. Little mouse, little scrunch, looks good. I show her repeatedly how to fix it. Instead we are doing the fly in the syrup barrell look. In public I am embarrassed thinking that people think she is mine. That they may think I never showed her how to dress/do her hair/or won't help her. My head itches just telling this story. AAARRGH

tiffanysterror's picture

I guess where I am going with this is I am willing to try to understand and empathize with her. But she doesn't make it easy. When she was young and still with her mom, she would come stay with us on weekends. (Point that will come up:I was born and raised on the TExas/mexico border which is a pretty poor economy.) She gave me lice. Not her fault, she was a kid, whatever. About this time, her mom was flaking off and on and she was staying with us more on than off. I treat her, the house, her brother, me, blah, blah. She comes back. new lice infestation. I eradicate. I send her home with appropriate shampoo, sprays, etc, to avoid reinfestation of her/her stuff. She comes back, the lice come with. I treat.... Oh wait, this is where it gets good. They are not dying. What is the deal. I go buy more stuff, still no result, try another brand. Finally I call the texas lice hotline (who knew such a thing existed?). Apparantly she has some mutant form of lice that are super lice and are immune to the treatments. Her dumbass of a mother used the shampoo wrong, and rather than kill them, just made them sick enough or whatever to be stronger and be able to resist traditional shampoos. I shit you not. I NEVER had lice in my life but this kid gives them to me repeatedly. So, on the internet I go. My old school husband calls his sister. I shave he and his son's head, treat her and my head with kerosine then olive oil and bagged for 8 hours. Lice dead. I refuse to let her get reinfested. she goes back to her mother one more time. I have one more wonderful go round of lice treatment. Time passes. Things change, We get custody, We get married We move into my house. She comes home from school with lice (5th grade). I treat all of us. 6th grade-repeat... summer before 7th grade-repeat. But here it gets even cuter. There is a little bitty comb that one must use to rake all the lice eggs out, the shampoo like kills the live ones, but the eggs will still hatch so they have to be combed out. I just shave my husband and sons head. I treat myself, and comb for hours. She wont comb out her hair. I mean, just sits there and half assed combs randomly. She is eleven and too old for me to do this for her I feel. I tell her this. I also tell her she can comb it or I will hack her hair off but I am damn sure not combing her hair. She won't do it. I cut all her hair about an inch long. she is mad and bawls. I inform her that next time all I will do is shave her head. She knows the kids down the street always have lice, she knows to stay away from them, and it is like she is going and rubbing her head against theirs. So then, her hair starts to grow out. I tell her, it is your hair, I don't care, I will get it cut any way you want, y ou just need to take care of it and keep it out of your face. Too much work, we continue cutting it short. I buy her a ten dollar magazine full of hairstyles. She is too lazy to pick one out. She finally does. The magazine acidentally gets closed. She is too lazy to look and find the picture again. This goes on, I ignore her. She bears a strong resemblence to cousin it. There is a dance at her school. She picks out a hairstyle. I take her and pay. Looks cute. Little mouse, little scrunch, looks good. I show her repeatedly how to fix it. Instead we are doing the fly in the syrup barrell look. In public I am embarrassed thinking that people think she is mine. That they may think I never showed her how to dress/do her hair/or won't help her. My head itches just telling this story. AAARRGH

Crizzle's picture

Oh honey! I feel your pain!!!! I can't stand even looking at my skids. They grate my nerves even when they are good. Anyway, you gotta crack down on the hygiene thing. MY SD's always had greasy hair when they came over here and when they came to live with us they would go days without showering which I promptly put an end to. They shower at 6:00 and 6:30 every evening. There is no exception. If they don't do it then they lose all priveleges. No electronics, games, toys, phone, TV, anything. They are also not allowed to go out of the house unless their hygiene is appropriate;
: hair and teeth brushed and they are bathed and dressed appropriately. That is the rule and I do not waiver from it ever. If they want to be seen with me in public then they will be presentable. Give her a time each evening for when she is to shower. Buy an alarm with two alarms: use one for shower time and one with wake-up time. Then all you have to do is set the alarm and turn it on daily and that will be her reminder every evening.

If she won't quit gaining weight don't buy her pants that button or snap. ONLY elastic waists! Then you won't have to buy them as often. I buy us all sweats to wear on weekends anyway so we don't have to use as many jeans therefore we don't have to buy as many. Sweats are a lot cheaper.

"One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others." ~Moliere

tiffanysterror's picture

That is a good idea on the clothes. I mean I felt bad for her at the beginning of the weight gain thing (I didn't know a lot of the stuff I know now), so I tried to get her cool stuff that kind of hid her weight, you know to make her less self conscious. So I thought. I guess I should have just shot for the elastic band then because we have no problem with length, it is waist.
The hygiene thing is just one more thing on the roller coaster that is her. When we would get her from her mom she was always nasty and reeked of sour milk. I can remember hugging her and gagging over the rank odor. When we were living in another town, we would pick her up for the visits and go over to a friends house first thing so I could shower her. Her smell was appalling. For years it wasnt a thing. We had a routine, and she was good about it. It is lately her hygiene has slid. Kind of since the weight. BUT jeez. I had tried to give her some responsiblity/freedom on the showers and other stuff but you are right. Maybe it would just be best to have it be at a set time. No exceptions: tv show, phone call, friend over... Because, it is not me being super picky. When a man is embarrased by her appearance.... come on. Even worse is I love bath and body works stuff, cant always afford it but.... AND any chance she gets she will slip into my bathroom and use the stuff. Funk covered by flowers is not a pleasant smell. and I have bought her her own. It is like one more thing at me.

Sus's picture

Most girls at 12 are particular about keeping themselves clean, along with their clothing. The child sounds like she is very depressed. She might have abandonment issues, peer problems etc.
Also many children of divorce seem to have weight issues. Stress can cause weight loss or gain!
As for the Lice.TRY, keeping baby oil in her hair ( lice love clean hair ) or hair spray. As for combing her hair out after treatment, an adult must do it , there is NO way a child can comb through to get all the eggs out. "no" she is NOT to OLD for you to do it..She can't see the EGGS..in her head..I never heard of such a thing it's always been an adult who TREATS the childs head..NOT a child treating her own..
So please at least do that for her. Why did you stop doing her hair>????? "I used to braid/brush/style her hair". I did my daughters hair,( 3 girls) NOT everyday once they reached a certain age, but offered to do it when she was a teen. And sometimes I still do it for her, if she asks.
"FAT" 125lbs at 5 '4 ???? LOLOL is about right, not considered FAT by any standard. 12 year old (female) child who is 122 pounds and is 5 feet and 4 inches tall has a body mass index of 21.0, which is at the 80th percentile, and would indicate that your child is at a healthy weight***.
She's probably eating to fill a void, depression, insecurities, self esteem issues, pre-teen issues, this age is very confusing for young girls/boys. Most colleges have classes for self esteem she could join.
She probably just needs to exercise. Maybe she can join BIG SISTERS/Brothers or another club. Big sisters is a great club for Children that pairs off a child with a adult, who acts as a mentor mostly and spends time with the child(many single parents & step families ) benefit from these clubs.
Many churches also have teen clubs.
As for showering, many children who have been sexually abused, do not want to shower. They want to smell bad to keep preditors away from them.( not that this child has those issues ) but many teens go through this stage.( boys mostly )
Many teens have disgusting rooms, their more interested in boys , friends and other things besides cleaning. I recall pulling pizza boxes out from under beds.
Her past will always have a barring on her, it was part of her life, especially the formative years (under five).
Where is her Birth Mother? Does she have any communication or visitation with her or her family on BM's side. A grandmother or other adult relatives that could spend some time with her.
It sounds like she is very immature. and that is possible...many mature at different ages...we also have Lazy kids & kids who do it all...could be part of her personality. My middle daughter was lazy too..
Sorry, I just don't believe in abandoning a child because they become a certain age, or a Parents THINKS at a certain ages they should be doing certain things...NO matter what...they are "still children" even when their physically developed and LOOK like adults..OR TRY to ACT like adults..their still NOT emotionally mature enough to do many things. IF they didn't "NEED" a parent the laws would be changed, they are "NOT" responsible for themselves at 12 LOL.

It's like one poster mentioned a child of 4 should RESPECT a adult LOL A child that young has NO idea what the word or definition of RESPECT means...MANY ON ST..expect way too much from very young children.

OOpps I have to go....long distance call (kids)
Take care.....sus

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AARgh, sorry no, not now, the 120, at the weight gain. I am sure I mistyped. She had a growth spurt, height wise, that I was referring to in making her self conscious. THEN the weight gain, and then increase in sizes. I don't have a scale and we have tried focusing more on activity etc to counter it. It is just that she WON"T do anything. Her PE teacher even has repeatedly commented on the level of laziness. I normally walk the dog (australian shepherd) just for him and activity. She wanted to start doing that to help get in shape for track (we thought). She would go, be gone about as long as I would, and I just figured the dog was getting in shape as well, and needed maybe to be walked more per day based on how he was acting. Till my neighbor tells me that she was going across the street to kind of an empty lot and sitting over there. I was like what are you talking about? Sure enough the next time they went off I waited and walked over there and there she was sitting in the dirt with the dog tied up next to her. I was like what are you doing? And I got the teenage thing. It was the same as with everything else. She puts on a great show, tells people what she thinks they want to hear but it is not true.
As for her hair. No, my mother was not doing my hair when I was her age, and my friends aren't doing their kids. She is old enough for that. I am not referring to french braiding or things like that, I am talking about ponytails and basics. She also is old enough to pull a tiny comb thru her hair. I was not saying she needed to be totally responsible for the treatment, but yes she is old enough to be a helpful part of it.
I have repeatedly asked her counselor etc about the eating. I think it is something more basic and fundamental than a control issue. They did not always have food in whatever house they were in. Her uncle told me a story about going to a house to check up on her (she was pretty young, two or three), and I guess all the adults were asleep. So she tells him she was hungry and he goes to pour her some cheerios and a bunch of roaches mixed with the cereal poured out of the box. He was apalled but she was not. I have ALWAYS wondered if that kind of early life combined with some other stuff brought out kind of a basic instint of you better eat when there is food, regardless of the quality. The counselors have always acted like it has to be something way more involved but we as humans are animals and if we are conditioned for something...... Similar deal. Her mother never bothered to toilet train her. AT ALL. So where most kids are trained and have accidents and are embarrased, she never was. Most kids also are conditioned to not want to pee in their pants so they figure out when they have to pee before they HAVE to pee. She never did, and Yes I have taken her to more than one specialist to make sure everything is right downtown, and it is. She would be five or six and sitting in a group of kids playing/having fun and would just pee herself. No embarrasment, nothing. If she got busy, liked what was on tv, was otherwise engaged, she would just pee her pants, BUT she would rarely wet her bed. Once again, I always wondered if this was at part a social conditioning issue. The room, we past disgusting with the bugs. I have addressed Depression with everyone. I get all kinds of crap. Oh, she is at that age, she is hormonal, she is.... whatever the deal is that week. Like during a particularly bad time last year. You know what set it off? She had started taking spanish in school. They were having a class thing where this year, some of the spanish students, incl high schoolers were going to spain. She asked me and I was like no. Her response was that I went to spain. Mind you, I was fluent in spanish when I went, and not the bright age of 13. So for two months misery ensues. Dirty, pissy, bad attitude. Poor me, if she was my daughter I would let her go, and so on. I would not now nor ever allow a 13 yo to go to europe under someone elses care. I was just like yeah sure, that is exactly it. It is like as long as she is getting what she wants, or there is something on the horizon we can all live in relative peace. When it is just a normal time, hell no. My friends, some of whom have stepchildren, have watched this life unfold like an episode of edtv. Everyone basically tells me it does not have to be this bad. I really don't think it does either. I don't know, I always believed that with children a good environment can overcome a lot. I really cant believe that all this hell we are living could really be a direct result of the crappiest parenting on earth BUT if it is, someone really needs to get some licensing and restrictions on this crap.

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Yes, thank you. It does apply, and I don't know how to get from knowing what needs to be done to GETTING it Done. Like I posted. I was kind of hoping we could get a little more therapy time for this. I am not sure if therapist is not understanding or what. She is not sneaking junk food. We don't have much in the house. Mostly my husband has some goodies hidden away for when they are in bed. It is cooking materials that are like used to make junk food, like choc chips, coconut, pudding mix, sweet n low even. Crap that is sweet enough to attract bugs but not what you would traditionally like crave as a sweet. She opens it, and hides it. Kind of like baiting a trap! I just am so frustrated. I had her in volleyball and basketball at the community center. Too lazy to practice or do much of anything. Stands there while all others run around her. Her pe teacher comments on how lazy. Walking the dog; too lazy (instead go hide in the lot across the street), riding her bike, too lazy, rides down to the bus stop leans her bike up against the fence and sits there. I was not exaggerating, if she put one tenth as much energy into getting exercise as avoiding it.... wow. Short of me physically chasing her around I don't know what to do. I have told her she is trying out for cross country. I am sure she will find a way to weasel out. Her dad has taken her and tried to shoot hoops with her, I kicked a soccer ball around, just too lazy... I have walked with her. Walking that slow has zero benefit. JUST IRRITATING. The past two years.... God and when she started her period. I only thought it was bad before that.