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Sabina's picture

It has been a very long time since I have been on here.  A lot has happened.  I really don't have anyone to talk to about this.  To give some history, I have two SD's, one 17 that still lives at home.  One that is 22 and lives nearby going to college, works maybe 8 hours a week.  Her dad pays for everything.  DH and I married 5 years ago and have had many struggles around the girls, to make a long story very short.  They never had house cleaning rules, grandma used to clean their rooms until a short time after we were married and I suggested it was time they do it.  That put tension between us all and never happened with the now 22 year old. When she was 19, things go bad and I moved out told husband I wanted a divorce.  We had lawyers and everything, lived seperated for 1 year, he contacted me before divorce was final and somehow talked me into counseling.  We went through Retrovaille, which is a catholic class on marriage and it is supposed to help you become closer.  He said it helped him, I was sceptical but willing to see if it woud help.  We also went through marriage counseling.  I moved back in with him and the girls.  One month after I moved in, counselor suggested we have a cleaning day so girls would understand what we expected of them.  We were all cleaning kitchen.  Older SD kept dissapearing which dad noticed and called her out, this caused an argument and she left.  Came back after a couple hours and said she was moving in with grandma (his mom).  OKAY.  She lived with her for 7months then got an apartment with a friend.  All expenses paid by dad of course.  When she moved out she told her dad she hated me.  Now I am a very patient person and always let dad do the disciplining.  So, now for the weird things I have been putting up with that I am having a very hard time with. DH will text me at 3pm while I am at work that he is meeting his girls for dinner and do I want anything, he will do this like once or twice a week.  No advance warning but almost always by text.  He secretly planned a vacation with his girls for months behind my back, finally I asked him what was going on and he denied it but said he did want to take them somewhere.  Reason I found out is yourner SD kept coming in room and saying how about Figi or how about Paris.  I let it go on for a while to see if he would tell me and he never did, I had to ask what was going on.  Anyway, he told me one day, do you mind if I take the girls to Maui, of course I wasn't going to tell him he couldn't.  He went in the other room and said, Oh, did you want to go?  I was so upset, I said "No, I think it is best if you take them yourself".  So they went for 11 days.  When they got back I asked how there trip was and younger SD looked at him, then me, said had a great time and went in her room.  I have not seen one picture or heard one story.  

Everything is a secret with this man!!!  We are on seperate checking, credit card.  He makes 7 times what I make.  I pay my own medical bills and he never asks to help.  He pays for expensive stuff for his girls, while I am on a budget.  This is becoming very hard for me.  I am very independent but watching this is hard because the 22 year old is not a worker. She is very lucky that her dad is paying for all of her college and boarding plus all of her spending which when she lived here, she had amazon packages arriving all the time and new her dads cc number by heart.  Now he keeps everything a secret since I mentioned all of this in counseling. She will NOT come by the house when I am here, only when I am at work and DH works from home then she will come by to see him.  They will all go to lunch or dinner together and I am on my own for dinner.  This happens every week,  I don't mind him having dinner with his daughter but wouldn't you think he would try to get her to be more adult like and come over to have dinner with the family instead of what I feel sneaking around me.  I asked DH to go back to counseling several months ago and he said he will not go back that she made things worse, maybe for him because she had him on the right track with teaching his girls responsibility.  Now, I feel he is going back to all his normal bad habits if giving his girls everything they want behind my back.  I have no idea because I do not see cc or bank statements.  Everything is a secret, even the vacation.  It is very weird!  Sometimes you just need someone from the outside looking in to tell you what you are thinking and feeling is very weird and you are not just imagining it.  :)  I am sure there are many other things that I can go on about.  Oh, in counseling he told me he didn't need a mom for his kids, he has his mom and his sister already.  So, his girls know this and I am just a person living in this house to them. DH seems to just do his own thing now and I am in the dard on everything with his family.  I will never be a part of this family.  I always think of the future, what will it be like when they have their own children, I will just be left out even more.  This is one reason I left the first time and it is all happening again, even more so now it seems.  DH  used to always pay for my car insurance but in June he told me I needed to pay for my own car, so I did.  It is like we are living seperate lives anyway.   

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hereiam's picture

Sounds like you should have gone through with the divorce, however, I know that you were hoping things would change.

Now, you see that they haven't. This is no marriage, he is more focoused on his daughters and guarding his secrets than he is on you and the marriage.

 

Sabina's picture

Yes ma'am.  Wasted another 1 1/2 years and a lot of heartache.  I guess he did fool me.  I didn't think he was like this. The secretive thing kills me.

advice.only2's picture

Re-file the paperwork and finish what was started. I really don't understand why are are staying with him. It really sounds like he is having an affair and his daughters know about it and are encouraging it.

hereiam's picture

Do you think he took his mistress on the vacation? That would explain the mystery, no pictures, nobody talking about it, and the look SD gave her dad. Weird, though.

Sabina's picture

Why would he work so hard to get me to come back, just to have an affair?  He is always home.  He even works from home.  I don't think this, but it is still Hell living in this situation.  It is weird that the SD gave him the quick look then went in her room and gave no stories about the trip.  IDK....

Disneyfan's picture

He worked hard to get you back because  staying  married  is cheaper  than getting a divorce.  If you didn't  sign a prenup, you may be able to hit him pretty  hard financially if you get a divorce.

advice.only2's picture

I don't know, maybe that's the question you should ask him.
So if you are always home that means you can't have an affair? Honestly I'm just reading what you wrote and to be that secretive that means you are hiding something or someone.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Because sometimes it's a comfort thing.  They need to know they have a default to fall back on. Like a "safety net" kind of thing.  You're safe, because you're what he knows, but that doesn't mean he's not going to be a jacka$$.

Disneyfan's picture

I agree with Advice.  The SD's reaction  when you asked about the trip AND not seeing  and pictures  from the trip means something  is up.  

Don't  be so sure that those weekly  lunch/dinner dates are always with his daughters.  His daughters  may just be cover if he really is having an affair. 

Sabina's picture

Why would he work so hard to get me to come back, just to have an affair?  He is always home.  He even works from home.  I don't think this, but it is still Hell living in this situation.

hereiam's picture

I don't know, is there a pre-nup? Maybe he was worried about what he would lose in a divorce.

I agree that at this point, it doesn't matter, you are not happy.

Sabina's picture

No, not looking for his money.  He had this business before we were married.  I still have my house from before we were married, I told him i only want the tax money I used to get yearly since his business causes us to have to pay taxes every year.  So, it isn't that.  Don't want alimony, dont' even think you can get that anymore.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

You talk about cleaning, etc... Is it possible that he wanted to keep his "live-in maid" and any other benefits he has with you? 

I also think he is having an affair and the daughters are covrering for him.

Sabina's picture

LOL...I do minimal cleaning and have lowered my standards.  I am a bit stubborn.  I keep our room clean, rest of house stays pretty clean, just don't do deep cleaning anymore.

I cannot imagine having your kids hide an affair????  But so far a few people have thrown this out as an option.  I will keep my eyes open more, I cannot say that it didn't cross my mind and I LOOK for reciepts all the time.  CANNOT find them anymore, ever!  Never did see cc reciepts because they are electronic.  You betcha I wonder but have noway to find this out.  Once he was having lunch at an odd place, I did park on another street and wait for him to come out, I was so afraid of getting caught.  He was having lunch with coworkers like he said.  Oh yes, I check pockets for things.  No traces of anything.  He bought a new gun safe, huge one in basement.  He must keep other stuff in it because he is always going up an down to get in that darn thing.  Lots of TRUST issues here.  Wish I could find something though to take to lawyer with me. Other than he is secretive.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

I worked with someone who took her daughter with her when she stayed at her boyfriend's house. To hide the affair from her husband. It's absolutely vile, but there ARE people who will use their children to cover up an affair.

mro's picture

Some people are like that - they enjoy the thrill of the chase, but when they get what they supposedly want, lose interest.

Or it could be like what others are saying: he doesn't want the hassle and expense of a divorce.

SteppedOut's picture

Did you sign a pre or post nuptual agreement?

Sounds like maybe he didn't want the divorce because he feared it would "cost him too much".

Divorce him... this is not how someone that loves you treats you. Sorry. 

Sabina's picture

No pre or post nup agreement.  You are right.  Thank you for listening, I need to hear these things.  I appreciate all the posts.

ESMOD's picture

I think that you probably need to revisit the divorce.  I don't really have a huge issue with him visiting his girls a couple times a week.  Even taking a one off vacation isn't the end of the world.  But it's the secrecy and the lack of respect that he gives you.. he doesn't seem to think you are important enough to know his plans.

Financially, I am getting the feeling that you do work..and cover your own personal expenses .. but that your DH covers the home and major costs like that.  I get the impression you don't pay mortgage.. rent.. utilities? 

I can see some jealousy around the edges that he is financially taking care of his kids in a lavish way.. and that you perhaps think as his wife that you should be spoiled.. not them.  I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing.. but that's the impression I get.

It's possible the girls don't like that you came in and tried to change their life.. their rules.. and even whether their dad spent money on them.  Why wouldn't they like daddeee paying the bills he does?

I don't know.. I don't know how the "rest" of it is going for you with him... whether putting up with "some" skid drama is worth it or not.

The fact that you are on here probably says it isn't worth it for you.  But, have you tried to tell him that you feel like an afterthought when he makes all these plans behind your back?

Sabina's picture

I do work full time and have all my life.  I have a 33 year old daughter that lives on her own.  Just to give some background.  The house we currently live in is his house and we talked about moving into a "together house" that we can call our own.  We both thought it would be best to let youngest SD finish high school so she doesn't have to change schools. She is a senior.  I just don't know if we will make it.  

I am all for helping your kids and wanting them to have more than what you had.  A good education and so forth.  But I also believe in basic home life learned skills that are taught in the home.  My daughter learned them and it makes life easier to live with someone with these basic skills.  Whether it be me or future room mates these girls will have.  Older SD had several room mates that didn't work out because of her bad habits.  So, there was a whole lot more to this part of the story.

I didn't agree with the lavish spending with no responsibilities.  DH and I both came from poor families and worked very hard for what we have.  I admit I have a hard time with that.  I do not believe it is jealousy, just how I was brought up.  My whole family is like this.  We are just very frugal.  

And yes, I did tell my DH that it was very hurtful that he planned this vacation behind my back.  We are married, it should be us planning and inviting them on vacation.  But I am always the afterthought.  I want to be married to someone who acts like they are married.  That was a BIG part of our counseling, that I felt left out.  So, he is well aware of this.  Now I am left out more than ever.  But at the same time, it has gone on so long that it is now very awkward when his 22 year old is around because we don't talk and really don't have much to say.  We are only being courteous.  

CLove's picture

Would be a huge dealbreaker for me.

The behind the back stuff is a huge dealbreaker as well.

The financial pandering to excess with SD's - big deal breaker.

If he fought so hard to win you back, why isnt he fighting to keep you.

I often think that our Dh really dont know what a successful partnership LOOKS like, and therefore dont know how to create one, but you tried with therapy.

Therapy doesnt work if he is not willing to do the work to work it out.

Sory op -there are so many deal breakers!