Getting along with his ex tooo good
I need advice.
I am 10 years older than my husband to be. We have been together for 2 years. I met him while I was still married to my ex, and getting ready to file. He was still married also, and trying to decide if he wanted to divoce.
Long story short we met.... and fell in love. Then we both got our divorces. Both of our ex's were suprised we wanted out of our marriages, including my 2 daughters who were at that time 23 and 16. Everyone thought our marriages were happy... however we were both unhappy for many years in our marriages, and trying to live with it, and or help our spouses to understand our marriages were not working... we both gave up, and then we met each other....
So I guess it was wrong for us to get involved, however in both of our minds.... We had been very unhappy for many years . So was it really wrong because we knew we were ending our marriages way before we met.
After his ex got over her inital shock of the fact that they were going to divorce, she was happy, and moved on with her life.
He has a 7 year old daughter, She is very sweet... I love her very much... We get along great. She stays with us every weekend, and during weekdays too sometimes.
I have made it a point to be very very good to this child, And she loves me. So that is a good thing. (However to me its more like being a grand parent. )
I told him I will not stand in the way of him and his ex raising their child, but if I see her having some problems I will be happy to alert him to it... So he and his ex can help their child.
His wife was very upset when she knew I was in the picture, At first she was going to try to get him back, but when she learned of me, she moved on..... He has bent over backwards to be nice to her... so he can still be a big part of his daughters life... He is a great dad, and I respect him for that. His ex is also a good mother. She loves her daughter, and takes good care of her.
His ex had a couple of boyfriends in the past 2 years, and I think she just gave up on men. She has a good job, and seems happy to be by her self... She partys with her girlfriends, and seems to be ok.
My fiancee, has money, and pays over and above child support, and buys his daughter anything she wants, Him and his ex have rental houses... So he gave her a house free and clear to live in, along with a car... and he also fixed up the house for her to move in.....
So there is no reason for her to be pissy with him... because he is very good to her.
He is good to me also.
I love him very much....
The reason they got divorced is because Their relationship grew cold, they lived in the same house but hardly never spoke to each other, No love, or passion, No Sex. They lived that way for many years..... He worked late into the night, so he would not have to come home and see her, because she was so pissy with him all the time.
I now know why she was pissy..... He has a terrible temper. When he gets mad, he hates the world, and says very rude hurtful things. He is irrational, He says he is under so much stress he just has to blow off steam... He does not mean what he says....He always apoligizes later.... And he would never lay a hand on me.... but he is rude as hell when he is upset. Says very cutting things.
She could not handle his rudeness..... I am also having a hard time with his rude toung.
However him and I do get along great, and I tell him he is acting stupid when he gets rude, and just walk away... I dont listen to his mouthing off... and I tell him, I am not going to listen to that bullshit, when he can be nice, just let me know.
So he shuts up, and then becomes nice.
When he is home or we are toghther he always calls her, and talks to her about their child, and she will call him too.... They talk in length, for like 45 minutes or longer... they laugh, they talk about old times, and get along great.
He is always stopping by her house to drop stuff off,,,, or pick things up... and can stay there for up to an hour.
It was not like that when i moved in with him.... However now they Text more, Talk more, and he stops in to see her more, and she is always giggly and joyous when she talks to him. I know I don't know the half of their conversations, or their visits, because I am not with him all the time,
I don't like it that they get along soooooo very well.... and that he can just stop in to see her any ole time he wants... and go right in her house, and stay for up to an hour, Now that the daughter is in school, She keeps sending him Text messages to stop by and pick this up, or that, or drop stuff off.... So they are alone in the house.. together.
I Want them to get along and raise their child, however I think they are really pushing this with me.... He does it right in front of my face, and I try to act like its no big deal.... but it is getting to me bad.
I am a good looking woman, and am truly thinking of just leaving, and telling him to get back with her because he should be with her, and have his little family back.
I dont want to loose him, but I am not in any mood to play games, and fight for him... I've been down that road, I am too old, to play stupid games.
My problem is... He lived about 450 miles away from me when we met, Now he has moved me here with him.... and all my equipment( I own my own business.) He bought me a building I can run my business out of... and I am up and running, I am a bit dependant on him right now because I am in the process of building my business....
I just want to move my business back home, and live my life. I dont want to play cat and mouse games anymore.
I would stay, if I knew she was not chasing him, and he was not going for her bait.... But I am not having good feelings about this situation.
What should I do.
I have not talked to him about this because, I am afraid to make him mad, I will get the " Wow you don't trust me story."
and feel guilty for my thoughts....
He has a way with words, and knows how to make people do what he wants them to do... Has police training, and can make people think and do things to his benefit, because of his expert communication skills.
I do not let him do this to me, however, he did somewhat when we first met... Now I know his tatics, and just give it back to him. But I want to handle this in an expert way, and i am just trying to figure out how to do that.
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It's wonderful that your FH gets along great with his X...less problems for everyone. However, there needs to be boundaries. 45 minutes is excessive for a phone call. It shouldn't take that long to discuss their daughter and them reminiscing about the "good old days" is ridiculous. The past is the past and they both need to move on. I don't blame you one bit for having a problem with their relationship. You have to tell you FH how you feel and if he respects your feelings at ALL he will stop this buddy-buddy relationship with her. He has to understand...tell him to put the shoe on the other foot...how would he feel if you were behaving this close with your ex?
I deal with a lot with my FH and I don't think I would have stayed with him (actually I KNOW I would not have stayed with him) if he hadn't been respectful of my feelings as much as he is. If I have a problem with something, if something he does makes me feel bad or uncomfortable, he works to change it. Otherwise, what's the point of being in a relationship if he didn't care enough about my feelings to make me feel loved?
Talk to your FH and hopefully he will care enough to reel it in a little w/ his ex.
Thank you....
Thank you....
I would sit him down and
I would sit him down and talk to him in a way that is about YOU, not him. Use "I" statements. Like "I am uncomfortable with you going into her house, all the communication," etc. This helps to not lay blame on him, yet get your point across. Considering how ya'll got together, its obviously not out of his character to stray therefore he shouldn't make you feel like its unreasonable for you not to completely trust him. If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you. You really need to set boundaries with the ex and if he's not willing to do that, then maybe you are right to walk away.
"I child proofed my whole house, but they STILL get in!"
True, very true... thank you
True, very true... thank you very much.
I'm not married to my BF
and do not live with him. But kind of the same situation. Although his ex lives with her BF. I am also older than him and I feel the same, I am too old to play games...don't want to...don't think I have to. But he is very friendly with his ex. They talk daily, sometimes probably more than once a day. They have daughters STB 15 and 20. He doesn't go over to her house unnanounced, but yes will have to stop by to pick up something for his daughter, etc. I feel they have way too much communication that isn't necessary. His answer is 'I'm doing this for my daughter'. It is the only way I will know what is going on. His ex does tell him everything that is going on with the girls. I know they've have gone to the 'old days' and 'what if', before, and I told him how inappropriate it was. So I don't know if they ever do it anymore or not or if he just isn't telling me. We all get along, the 4 of us and we do things together like BD's for the girls, etc. She has always been very nice to me and I like her BF, but don't trust her beyond my little finger because of things he has told me. It bothers me, yes! My counselor calls it 'enmeshment'. He has even admitted that once their daughters are grown, they will still probably talk. I have a 29 year old daughter, several steps sons and step grandkkids, and I talk to my ex maybe about twice a year. And this is another reason why I don't live with him and am not married to him! The whole friendly with the ex use to really make me jealous, but it doesn't make me jealous any more, because I do believe him when he says he would rather be dead than back with her and I believe him. But I still it is disresptful of her BF and me. Now I kid him about it, joke with him about how she still controls him...and how he takes her phone calls..he has gotten better.
I think you need to talk to your DH and tell him how you feel, there is no need to live feeling this way. If the timing isn't right and you need more time to make your plans to move your business back 'home'..then make your plans just in case he refuses to see things your way. I always try to rationalize with people..like put the shoe on the other foot...if I were doing this how would you feel?
Good Luck
A couple of things
First, that temper is verbal abuse. Yeah, everyone gets mad and says things they don't mean once in a while. But on a regular basis, to control, that is abusive. Also the feeling that you have he will lay the situation back on you--that is part of that, and so are his "persuasive" talking skills. Words used like a dog herding sheep.
At first I thought wow he is really generous to "give" her a house and car. But the long talks and visits do raise a red flag, as does her "joyous" attitude. Ick.
Yeah, they've been away from each other and forgot how bad it was.
Ask yourself, what do you want? What kind of relationship are you looking for? Is this it?
And hey, if you leave him, he can give you the building. He likes to give EXs things...
Ok here are some continued thoughts to my situation
His ex.... has told her daughter she never wants to meet me... Ok fine I can live with that. I really do not want to meet her either, However.... I do take care of the child.a lot.... Like every week at least 2 to 3 days or more... so wouldnt she want to at least be able to somewhat know the woman who is caring for her child, who is so important to her, at least be on speaking terms?????
When there are soccer games ect... If the ex goes. my husband to be can go to... and they watch the game together, If she does not go than he takes me. I am not allowed to go... if She goes.
This also applies to school plays ect. I hold, feed, hug, and love this child like my own... But if His ex wife goes to a function... I cant go... Just him and her.
Is that kinda strange?????
I feel like 2nd fiddle. Like maby I dont belong here... even though he wants me to be his wife.... and take care of the child at their convience.
I got a job last spring... Which ment I had to work days, he made me quit the job so I could take care of the child, and help him out as he put it... my question is.... Why do I have to take care of the child.... I mean... I had to quit my job for this... I raised my children, Cant that woman pay for a babysitter? He does pay a large amount of money in child support? I am good enough to watch their child... but not good enough to be seen with him... if his ex is present?
I just feel like he is trying to make her feel better, and be respectful to her feelings, but he is forgetting mine... So how do you all feel about that? Thanks for all your input so far. you have helped me a great deal.
Hmmmm.
Let's see, if you are to be his wife, do not, I mean DO NOT keep yourself away from activities because the ex-wife is there. If you are to be his wife, she needs to get used to the idea that you are going to be around and you aren't going anywhere. If it's him that demands that you stay home, then run, run, run!!!!
I know this isn't something you want to hear, but I'm thinking they still have feelings for each other. They aren't married anymore and don't have to live together anymore, so the moods and anger don't have to be dealt with on a daily basis anymore. So, perhaps the ex-wife is falling for him again, and if you're in the picture, she can't have her little fantasies, you know what I mean?
And he made you quit your job so you could watch his child. What the hell????!!!!! No way!!! This is his child!! Either he watches her or her BM watches her - not you. Hon, I feel that you are being used. Quit your job, watch the kid, but don't show yourself. That is no kind of a relationship. Once you are married it him, it will only get worse - right now, you have an out.
It doesn't sound worth it to me. Not one bit!
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If you feel it sweetie, than it is true....
In the beginning of my relationship with DH it was just like that. He would go pick the kids up and park the car around corner so she wouldn't see me. He wouldn't answer her calls if I was around and wouldn't answer my calls if she was. It was as if we were having an affair, long after they were no longer together.
I knew it felt wrong. Something was just not right. She'd call in the middle of the night begging him to go over, he'd drive her to go grocery shopping because it was too cold for SD to be outside. She refused to accept that we were a couple.
Eventually, I found out that DH (who at the time was just my BF) was still having sexual relations with her. It was the only way she would let him see the kids. I left him and went on my merry way. After much begging, apologies and ways of trying to make up for what he had done, I gave him another chance. We've been together ever since.
If you feel it in the pit of your stomach that something is wrong, than chances are something is wrong.
Best of luck my darling.
NotsoHappyNewlyWed
Thanks again
Thanks again
Well she does not call in
Well she does not call in the middle of the night, However when she picks her daughter up after we have had her... she parks in the parking lot next door... And I am not to go out of the house... she might see me...ahem. He takes his daughter to her car, and they visit for a long while.15 20 minutes .. She gives him cookies.and shit... he sits in the car.. I see the laughing and joking as a family. They dont know I am watching... But I think it looks quite cozy.
I wouldn't like that either....
The things you are saying are really making me think.... I'm on the opposite side of things.... I get along EXTREMEMLY well with my ex-dh (my daughter's dad). We talk on the phone quite a bit, when our daughter has a birthday party or other function we come togther and throw joint parties etc. I know this all bothers bf and all I can say is that it is so not what it looks like. I have a lot of love and respect for my daughter's dad but not 'that' kind of love.... almost like a cousin or brother.... I know how it must look and I have to say that if the shoe were on the other foot I would wonder and hate it.... but its just not like that....
are the significant others
are the significant others allowed to be part of the party? Because if they are... that is cool...
ABSOLUTELY
But then.... we really aren't a "normal" situation.... I adore bd's stepmom.... she is a God-send and I couldn't have hand-picked a better choice myself. I truly don't understand the bm's that don't cherish the sm's that are good to the kids, treat them with respect, and love them as their own.... honestly.... what more could you ask for?
ok so he kept asking me what
ok so he kept asking me what was wrong... and finaly I told him... I do not want him in his ex's house.... any more. I told him I was going to all the child functions he went too, And I would not be stepping back anymore to shelter the ex's feelings. I am here and they are all gona have to live with it. If she see's him it will be with me. He will not step inside her house... only on th front porch and that is it. And he can tell her I said that. I told him her giggly phone calls suck... and I think she is trying to coach him back into her bed. I am not playing games... Its my way or I hit the highway. I told him to quit enjoying her phone calls.... They talk about the child and that is it. The past is the past and it is now over. So give it up. I told him I know he can talk to her in private... and see her in private... and I wont know a dam thing... but if he respects me he will stop going in her house any time... and he will only talk about their child. and quit talking about their past. So I laid it on the line... I told him I have been having bad feelings about this... He said he was upset I did not trust him... Why didnt I tell him sooner... i said... Hey I am telling you now... That is soon enough. I told him I trust him enough to tell him how I feel now... so Pay attention... cause Im not talkin about it again. this is the way it is. I said you know you told me if you ever felt bad about our relationship you would know i was cheating on you... I said Well I feel the same way... I feel bad about our relationship.... And This is the only warning you get... So fix it now.... Or Im done.
He was trying to wine about me not trusting him... but I cut him off and told him... I have a right to express how I feel... and I am setting boundries, and this is the way it is.
He wants me or her.... make a choice. He choose me... but I dont know for how long... I was rude, and cold.... So we shall see how it goes. He denied she was trying to get him in her bed... And I said than it should be no problem for you to not go in her house.
I told him I felt he should respect me enough to not go in her house, and he should have known that from the start. He said I was getting all crazy... I said no you just dont like what your hearing. Im just telling you the way it is.
It just remains to be seen how this goes down.
He said that His daughter would just have to suffer, and that I was number one... and He would give up going to her functions so I would not be upset.... I said Well there you go... I am playing 2nd fiddle If you cant go with your ex... you just wont go... your ashamed of me. I dont like that. We still have to work that one out. But he knows how I feel now.... I am not sure where this is going.
I just may say screw it.
Twisting your words
I think you have done great to say all this, just the way you have. Now do not fall for him twisting your words. At no time did you ask him to stay away from child's events. Why is it a problem for BM to see you? if there is nothing going on.
I am a total b. these days but I would try to watch him to see what he does. I would be up his ass or even follow him around to see, what is really going on. Your bells are going off because your feminine instinct is aroused, you are on point as to where the problem is, and I feel you should always, trust your gut.!!!!!
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Age cannot wither her, nor custom stale
Her infinite variety.
William Shakespeare, "Antony and Cleopatra", Act 2 scene 2
Ok... So This past weekend
Ok... So This past weekend so far... He has been sweet, gracious, Telling me I am so very important to him... he loves me so much....yada yada yada, Told me he would only be on the porch to see the ex, Asked me what to do if the daughter wanted to show him her bedroom at the ex's house... I said well I guess you do not go... See your ex will not look at her bedroom at our house cause im in the house... so I think you will not see your daughters bedroom in your ex's house cause i dont want you going in that house with out me!!! And I am not allowed in your ex's house, therefore you are not allowed in your ex's house.
He said, well its her birthday Sunday (his ex's) ... Can I at least call her and wish her a happy birthday... I said... Whatever. So He has been diligantly erasing all calls and text messages he makes.(so I think) I have not seen this ... however... I am sure that is what is going on... Cause there have been no calls to my knowledge... she has not called at all since I had my melt down to my knowledge... So I am sure he got the message to her...
Then we ran into an old friend of his... He did not give her a hug... after she left... He said... Oh I would have hugged her but you get so jealous. (ahem.) I said I am not jealous... He said oh yes you are... So I know he is already trying to lay a guilt trip on me for my actions.'
So how do I handle this ... and these sly comments??
Just say No
Why would he want to wish his ex a happy birthday? Aren't they divorced? This sounds really weird and do not be taken in. I would say No, why on earth would you do that?
If you are jealous or insecure, it is because you sense there is something going on - so it is his responsibility to address this, not yours! When he puts the blame on you, explain this to him!
Because its not like you have always been this way right? just since this is happening? To me it sounds like, he likes to have his cake and eat it too. It is up to you to decide what you think of that?
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Age cannot wither her, nor custom stale
Her infinite variety.
William Shakespeare, "Antony and Cleopatra", Act 2 scene 2
I'm the one that gets along
I'm the one that gets along really well with my ex.... But we don't wish each other a happy birthday... I don't even remember exactly when his birthday is & I'm sure that's the case with him too... I can see saying happy birthday if it's an exchange day or something and during the exchange the topic is brought up by the kid.... But going out of your way to call an ex on their birthday?? That's weird in my book...