GAL Called Our Lawyer!!!
He is writing up the agreement for SS to come on the trip!
BM told him she signed a release to talk to the counselor and she didn't- GAL is PISSED
GAL is very concerned about what we have shown him. He is e-mailing BM's attorney with "certain demands" - I don't know what those are yet and neither does our lawyer but this has to be good news!!
THANK YOU GUYS AND LADIES! I am so glad that I called earlier!!
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A gal does not have an
A gal does not have an authority to right UP an agreement for anything. I KNOW this personally to be very true.
A GAL can make recommendations within the report that is handed to the Judge. That is all a GAL does...investigate, report, investigate, report,,,,offer recommondiations.
A GAL can try to talk to both 'parents' and attempt to defuse minor disagreements and I do mean minor.
Why are you pushing for dh's boy to go on this trip when he has said flat out he is not interested? What on earth are you doing? Do you really think the poor kid is going to switch ON and have a great time? If anything he will reave it up to have a awful time worse then you can possibly imangin.You really should back off and consider what the child is going thru.
OP's DH is the one pushing
OP's DH is the one pushing for it, because he wants to see his son....she is supporting that.
I understand it's not what OP
I understand it's not what OP is necessarily pushing for.. but it does seem like a recipe for disaster to take a disgruntled teen (and most are disgruntled to some extent..lol) on a trip where you are in close quarters. But this kid is dang near estranged from his dad right not.
1. The cruise is kind of a reward type of activity and I would be danged if money would be spent taking an ungrateful snot on a trip.
2. Danged if I would subject the rest of the family to the risk that SS would melt down at some point on the trip and ruin everyone else's time.. ie MORE money down the drain.
I think her DH needs to let the trip go.. it is too high stakes. If the kid won't even TALK to him directly in person.. how on earth does he think he can logistically manage dealing with him on a complicated situation like a cruise vacation. I mean, the kid literally might do something stupid.. jump off the boat.. push someone off the boat... run off at a port. So many disaster scenarios..
I understand that her DH wants to see his son.. and I guess he is hoping that this great golden goose egg of a cruise will be enough to mollify his little boy into having some relationship with him. Disney daddying to the fullest. You act like an ahole.. I will buy you a pony. I mean.. what's next.. dad buys him a new car when he is 16.. so the kid will deign to talk to him?
He is trying in some ways to buy the kid's love. I do NOT think he should give up on the kid.. but I think the efforts to get him on this trip are probably going to end up a problem.
I think, unfortunately, it's
I think, unfortunately, it's also about how it would be spun in court by BM and her attorney if they didn't try to take him.
I have followed this entire
I have followed this entire situation for a long time now. . OP husband has been on float, it is OP who has been driving much of this train. Even before they were married. Cant believe dh's lawyer has given op the time of day. The parties in the court proceedings are Dh and bm, not dh, op and bm. There is limited info dh's lawyer is allowed to discuss with OP.
OP during DH's 'deployment" can call dh's lawyer all day long, every day, BUT unless the attorney hears it directly from DH the attorney cant use it. So what OP is doing is double dipping attornies fees...OP calls lawyer tick tock tick tock $$$$$,,then attorney must back track with dh and charge again.
Same thing with medical doctors..OP can call and call and call thinking she will be able to gain access with staff. They should and are required to not speak with her about dh's and BM's son. Especially since this boy in particular is not in the custody of DH. BM has physical and dh is ncp. DH should have full access to kids medical.
OP's GAL should not give OP one single hint about what he is doing. UNLESS he is assisting in a minor minor conflict. GAL can be kicked off the case for that.
What is ok would be: "Ok dh, I will call bm and see what we can do about returning your winter coat back". GAL should not be so involved with OP...
Apparently the GAL is doing
Apparently the GAL is doing all of this stuff, as is DH's attorney. Laws do vary from state to state.
Our lawyer doesnt even call
Our lawyer doesnt even call DH any more. He calls me. So, I am not doubling anything, I do the communication since DH is not always accessible.
lol, oh boy...
lol, oh boy...
Because if they don’t take
Because if they don’t take the boy on the trip he’ll throw a fit about that too. You can’t win either way and dad does not want to cut his loses. His hope is that having the GAL on board they will be able to disapprove and deprogram the boy who is being alienated by his mother.
If I’m correct the trip is on dad’s time too. Not taking the boy during his parenting time and going on a trip without him would be a horrible mistake between court and the mother using it to further alienate the child.
I think if dad could show the
I think if dad could show the umpteenth times he has tried to exercise visitation that have been rebuffed.. the umteenth times he has tried to get an answer from the boy and his mother as to whether he will go on this trip. The repeated messages from "the boy" (might be bm I guess they can't tell).. saying he is not going.
I'm not saying he should give up on the boy.. but I think a judge would see his attempts and say.. look BM/SS.. he tried a hundred times to get you to go.. don't be mad about that.
I mean.. that may not be how it would go.. but it seems likely that someone would see his repeated attempts to have his custody time rebuffed.. and refusal to cooperate with these plans as alienation on her part.
I actually just think it's a horrible idea to take someone on a cruise that will not speak or respond to you. It's patently unsafe. If he is really "all in" on getting his son back in his life.. I would cancel the cruise and just try to get the kid to come to him for counseling etc...
I agree. This is the tact DH
I agree. This is the tact DH is doing with SD15. And why she's not coming to Europe with us...she won't talk with DH whatsoever, since April. I told DH he could invite her and I couldn't stop him, but he should have expectations in place before, during and after trip. And Zero dollars from me for anything relating to her expenses, and no demands I interact. But I am not worried. We're makibg reservations for three not four at this point. It's on BM and SD15.
Exactly.
Exactly.
All I know is I took a mildly
All I know is I took a mildly btchy 17 yo on a trip once.. with her sister and my inlaws.. they ended up leaving with the girls 2 days early because miss priss pitched a fit and moaned to her mommy that "she hated it here"... she ruined a vacation for everyone with her attitude. And we are talking a kid that actually was talking to her dad at the time...
I can't imagine the situation if we had been trying to force a kid that absolutely was estranged at that time.
I don't think your DH should give up on his kid.. I just think that maybe taking this trip now with the way things are going.. isn't going to turn out well for anyone.
I understand it's "his time".. but the kid won't even talk to or acknowlege him.. at all! This is some high level dysfunction you are dealing with. I don't think that the kid is going to magically turn into opie and realize how wrong he was once he is away from his mother's dastardly clutches. Your DH absolutely should be insisting on his visitation.. BUT.. you should cancel your trip because I have a feeling you are flushing it all down the drain.. cause this kid is going to ruin it. Unless your DH and the boy are reconciled before then.it is a mistake to try to force him.
The GAL IS writting up an
The GAL IS writting up an agreement for the terms of SS coming with us during our parenting time. Soooo... I dont know what happened in your case but that IS what is happening.
Great news! I'm happy the GAL
Great news! I'm happy the GAL is listening to you and catching BM in her lies.
I just hope that skid doesn't whizz all over your family vacation. Better have a plan worked out with your DH ahead of time and lots of on board spa appointments booked.
I hope this all works out for
I hope this all works out for you - but I well remember the roller coaster ups and downs of Family Court, and somehow, DH always ended up getting the shaft.
A cruise, with no
A cruise, with no communication to BM, may solve/reduce your problem with the PAS'ed skid. I'm saying that as a very loved SM to a formerly PAS'ed skid. My now adult skid had nowhere to go and so very reluctantly went on vacation, with us. His Father, siblings, step-siblings and Father's extended family. It wasn't intentional but there was zero connectivity, where we were staying. Our trip was 11 days and we returned with a skid who saw the truth of things. He never left again.
He and his Father went a period of time, not speaking, when skid graduated College but he's never ghosted me.
Prior to that trip, we paid a fortune in court and lawyer's fees, GAL fees, reconciliation counseling fees, etc. That trip, a trip we had given up on him going on (invited but he didn't respond), saved all of us. It saved his relationship with his biological siblings and allowed him to develop a relationship with his step-siblings. It healed the rift between him and his Father's extended family. And I learned how awesome this kid is and why the stress, worry and $$$ was worth it. His grades went up, his self-confidence went up and today he is one he!! of a young man. Handsome, funny, smart, loving and kind PLUS he launched at 22 years of age, like we all expect of our kids.
Hang on OP, even if hanging on means doing so from the fringe (we attended EVERYTHING, even when he wouldn't look in our direction). It CAN CHANGE.
Clarification-the skid situation can change. BM here is still a worthless hag who causes trouble and spreads lies...
I needed this story!! Thank
I needed this story!! Thank you!
Good news, but I wouldn't get
Good news, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Ultimately everything is still up to the judge, and he hasn't done your DH any favors so far.
And all BM has to do is not
And all BM has to do is not send him and claim he refused.
Whenever I think
Whenever I think of you on that cruise, I picture the scene in Jaws when the guy turns to the other one and says "We're gonna need a bigger boat!"