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JL8821's picture

My 17 year old daughter hates her stepmom. She blames her for breaking up her family. She does not live with us. She is very athletic and participates in sports at her high school. She wants me to attend ber events alone. She says it causes her great anxiety and hurt feelings if my wife attends her stuff. My wife was ok with this for the past year. Now she is saying enough is enough and I'm disrespecting her and our marriage by having her stay away from my daughters school events. When she has gone to events and  tried to stay away from the field, my ex wife will accost her and create a scene telling her she isn't welcome. The scene then upsets my daughter and she will stop talking to me and refuses to spend time with me and blames me for my wife being there when I have asked her to stay away. My wife says it's too much and has threatened divorce. I want my daughter to be ok and I don't want ny wife to be ok. Any suggestions?

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Felicity0224's picture

I think a key piece of information is, did your relationship with your wife pre-date the end of your first marriage? Because if so, I'm afraid neither you nor your wife have a leg to stand on. You simply cannot expect a child, particularly a 17 year-old who is old enough to understand what happened, to accept the presence of someone who contributed to the demise of their family. It's natural that she wouldn't want to see her and that she would have complicated feelings towards you as well.

If there wasn't an affair, then that's another story that requires a different approach. 

ESMOD's picture

So the elephant in the room question.  Did you have a relationship with your current wife before your other relationship was over?  If so, you have to understand that your Wife is bearing not only her share of the blame from your EX and daughter.. but she also carries YOUR blame from your daughter.. because kids tend to do that.. they may not be able to "hate" their bio parent.. so they transfer that resentment totally onto the new spouse.  If that is the case.. then it may be tough to hold the line on what your wife might want.. because it will be hard to ever get your daughter to get past the feelings of resentment towards your wife.. not unless you are willing to truly fall on your sword about things.. and make her understand that as an adult that it's difficult.. but everyone has a right to be happy.. including you.. and that staying with her mom wasn't an option...no matter who you had met.

But.. to the issue you have at hand.

I do think your daughter has the right to ask that your wife not attend.  Clearly it causes drama and conflict and as your wife, I would not want to go where I was not wanted.. I mean.. she isn't going because she cares for your daughter or the outcome of the game is she? 

BUT... YOU have the option to not attend.. or not attend as often if your wife isn't welcome.. that's the trade off for your daughter isn't it... well.. my wife is not welcome.. so I won't be coming to as many games.. 

I wouldn't necessarily agree that you are disrespecting your marriage by attending the sporting events of your bio child.. a child she doesn't have a connection with.. alone.  ONLY if you are spending too much time away from your wife does that come into play..  I think your wife is being a bit extra difficult about this situation.. her best path is to disengage and allow you to have some relationship with your child.. evne if it doesn't include her.. but YOU have to decide to hold your child to being respectful to your wife when they ARE together.. and this will tee up future issues like her marriage or graduations.. where she may not want to share them with your wife.. but want you present.. so you may need to decide how to navigate that.

To be clear.. some people decide to go separate.. I would allow my DH to see his kids without me.. but he would NOT go to a BM event without me.. but he hates her.. so...haha.

Sure a sports auditorium at the school is technically a public space.. they can't "keep her out".. but it feels like she is going to make a point.. not to support your daughter or to support the team in general.. for THAT reason.. your wife is being the AH for going when she has been asked not to.  If the reason was that you spend 4 nights a week.. and she wants to spend time with you.. that's a different motivation.. but I'm guessing it's kind of that she wants to go more because she is being told NO.. and for that.. she is a full participant in the drama.   and.. again.. if you both were dating and knew you were married.. well.. this is some of the unfortunate fallout you can expect from that.. not everyone is going to be all Buckingham palace and stand beside the woman who was having a public affair while your now deceased mother was alive. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

"To be clear.. some people decide to go separate.. I would allow my DH to see his kids without me.. but he would NOT go to a BM event without me.. but he hates her.. so...haha."

But these games ARE BM events. OP said that when his wife goes, BM chases her off. Pretty much any SD event could be a BM event. OP has already made the decision to marry his wife, whether or not it was an affair. 

ESMOD's picture

TBH.. it feels like his wife's desire to make an issue out of going to the games is to mark her territory with her DH.. because I can't imagine anything more painful than watching teen sport events unless I was rooting for one of the participants.

I agree that it sets the tone for future issues.. like weddings.. graduations.. and ultimately...her DH may not be able to have it all.. and may have to decide what is most important to him.. and accept the consequences that he will never make EVERYONE happy.

It might mean he doesn't go to as many games because he knows it upsets his daughter.. and he refuses to leave his wife behind all the time.  He may NOT go to his kid's graduation.. or if he does.. simply the ceremony and leave.. or bring his wife.. ensure they are well separate from his wife's side of the family.. and then leave immediately to avoid the drama... 

He can tell his daughter that she will respect the place of his wife in his life.. but she may still not accept her or like her.. but the way I would put it is his daughter does not have to LIKE her.. but she will not behave disrespectfully to anyone.. because he has raised a better person than that.  
 

With the EX... they need to not participate.. she comes over to harass.. they don't respond.. they ignore her.. she will get tired looking the fool to others around. 

Maybe he needs to also have a talk with his daughter about the facts of life.. that sometimes stuff happens.. people get married that shouldn't be married.. like he and her mom.. and that it was HIS choice to be with his wife.. and sometimes that may hurt other people but as she gets older she will learn that you can't punish yourself for doing the things that are right for you.. even if not everyone in the world is going to love your choices.  That he loves her.. but that he also loves his wife.. and it is not a competition with any of them.. he is capable of loving them both.. and he doesn't want to be asked to choose.. if she can't be civil to his wife.. she will likely see less of him at her games.

 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Yep. OP has to live with the consequences of both the affair, and the marriage, which he has already chosen to do. 

Assuming there was an affair, which we still don't really know. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Idk, affair or no, what are the chances this marriage survives if the wife is never allowed anywhere the daughter is? We don't know that it was an affair. But, even if it was, OP has to face the consequences. He will never make everyone happy so where does he draw the line? Today it's sports games, what about weddings, graduations, Christmas...is he going to put his wife in some kind of second-class spouse role and give SD and his ex control over when his wife can accompany him to things? If it was an affair, he has already done it. No amount of catering will allow him to take it back. Does he try to straddle the middle of the fence or does he go all-in on his marriage?

Also, all of that assumes it was an affair. If it wasn't, and OP is allowing his daughter and ex to act that way, I feel sorry for his wife.

ETA if it was an affair, he has already betrayed one wife. Betraying another (or treating her like a second class spouse) is not likely to make his life any less of a mess.

Harry's picture

You must talk with your DW.  Come to some understanding,  She has to know that it's not going to be a big happy family.  There is more important events coming up.  Graduation, holidays wedding, GK.  How are you going to handle there events .  What's happening with holidays now ? What was Christmas like? 
You made your choice when you married your DW. If you want this  marrage to last,  you must go along with DW.  After everything you can not disrespect her,

CLove's picture

Married Your Affair Partner or Not.

I think we are all in close agreement in our answers and suggestions being dependent on this big question. Rather than provide suggestions that cover ALL scenarios, Ill wait for the answer to this question.

Rags's picture

Now she is saying enough is enough and I'm disrespecting her and our marriage by having her stay away from my daughters school events.

You should have never tolerated this crap from your X and the spawn. Not at all.

Your wife should be at your side. More importantly, you should be at hers. If your XW accosts your wife at sporting events, your wife should agressively end that threat.  That you tolerate this crap from your noxious failed family spawn and your failed family mistake of a breeding partner is far more than your DW should tolerate.

Man up.  Grow some balls. Be your wife's husband and stop sniffing the asses of your noxious manipulative spawn and her idiot mother.

IMHO of course.

You and your DW should start recording the XW/BM when she verbally assaults your wife at your DD's sporting events.  Better yet, get a go pro for each of you ostensibly to record your DD's sporting events.  Reality is, get your idiot XW on camera with her bullshit and then bare her ass legally and publically. 

As for your DD, her whining and crying about stress with SM is at her events, etc, etc, etc is pure PAS manipulative kiss her mothers ass bullshit.  Your daughter is a manipulative POS kid.  Not surprising considering that her mother is a PASing POS and you are not setting and enforcing standards of behavior or standards of perfomance for either of them and you are not being a true equity life partner to your own wife.  Your daughter is not a young child. She is a young adult and your failure to put your foot up her ass is in large part the problem.  Stop sniffing her ass and start kicking it. Figuratively of course.

Stop tolerating the POS people who are killing  your marriage. For clarity, the POS people are  your daughter and her idiot mother.  You are on the cusp of being one of the POS people ruining your marriage. Don't do that.

Grrrrr.

Nea

On the "did you marry your mistress" topic. As a man whose XW was a cavern crotched serially adulterous skank whore, I get that may be why your kid and your XW are who and what they are. However, your DW still must have your absolute loyalty and support at all costs.  Even if that means the loss of a close relationship with your kid.  If you did cheat and marry your cheat partner, that is on you. Not your DW.

If  you cheated, this also is not on your XW and your DD.  You have to fix this for your wife and your marriage, take the beatings from your wife, you XW, and your kid, and man up.  While defending your mate and your marriage.

CLove's picture

Ill have to read this a few times and think about this topic. 

Typically I am black and white on this in a specific way, but youve presented some points I havent considered.

I just rewatched the Betty Broderick netflix series, and while she is a symathetic character, you also see the other side of the kids being divided in loyalties because of her fixation and bitterness and drama.

strugglingSM's picture

I don't find Betty Broderick sympathetic at all, she is a classic NPD and reading about things she did before her husband's affair, she was abusive towards him as well. She was not the happy homemaker she made herself out to be. She reminds me of my husband's ex wife who will always play the victim and claim I ruined everything when she was remarried (to the man she cheated with) by the time I met DH. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I agree. IF he cheated and married his affair partner, he has made his choice. This is his wife now. If he tries to do some half-ass ride both sides of the fence BS, he will have failed not one but two wives. If he stays married to his wife but keeps going to all these events with his daughter and his ex there, but makes his wife stay home like a dirty little secret, he still cheated and left his first family. They aren't going to forget that. He will still go to the events and be the cheater and the leaver. Then he will go home and be the shitty husband. 

AgedOut's picture

As most members here, I think there a pieces of this story missing. I really can't reply fully w/out that info. 

 

is there a reason for your daughter's dislike of your wife? was there an affair? is there a mutual dislike between daughter and new wife? and lastly, why exactly does your wife want to be there, is it to pee on your leg in a manner of speaking? 

BethAnne's picture

I would suggest finding a mutally acceptable way for your wife and daughter to work on their relationship with the aim of being able to at least tolerate and respect each other. In the mean time, if BM is causing problems at events then I would suggest that the kindest thing to do for your daughter is if your wife does not attend. No kid wants that kind of attention/distraction at their sporting events. That is how I would explain it to your wife. 

I don't know how reasonable or not BM is and if there is any way that she could be persuaded to be reasonable towards your wife for the sake of your daughter.??? Often with the women we talk about on here there is little reason that can be reached with them. 

As for your wife, I would maybe assess how much of your time you are spending at these events and what it is taking away from your relationship with your wife. If it is a large amount of time or clashes with important events then perhaps you could cut back on the number that you attend. Or perhaps you could show up for a brief period of time to show your face, but not stay for the whole event. 

Are there other things you could do with your daughter AND your wife so that you can start to build that relationship and show your daughter that you are a marital unit?

My only other quandry is why this offense deserves bringing up the threat of divorce? It doesn't seem like a divorce level problem to me. Is there other stuff going on that you could work on with your wife? Is being excluded from things a pattern in her previous life and those feelings are being triggered here? Are you also keeping your wife away from other people in your life, friends, family etc? Is your wife worried about you spending time in your ex's presence? Does she have reason not to trust you? - if you can work out what is going on then you will have a place to start from to find ways to make this situation work better for both of you. A therapist might help with this. 

strugglingSM's picture

In all honesty, I think you and your wife should divorce. Regardless of how the marriage began, it won't survive if there aren't any boundaries in place. 

I would be interested to hear more about BM. You've allowed her to cause a scene in public repeatedly. Why is that? That could be a bit part of the reason why you're daughter is uncomfortable about your wife.

I don't really understand people who believe that cheating ended a relationship. If cheating happened the relationship was already rocky, maybe even over, just existing as a legality. Should people be honest and end a relationship before starting another? Yes, but no person outside a relationship ends it, it's the two people in the relationship who end it, either directly or indirectly. There is a lot of talk about "breaking up families", but no mention of the families that are still "together", but broken anyway. My sister had a college roommate whose parents were still married, but refused to ever be in the same room with one another. By societal standards their family was still "together", but really they were more broken and likely more damaging to the children than a "broken" family. 

Your decision is whether you want your daughter calling the shots in your life or not. She shouldn't be dictating who you bring to an event and if your wife is sitting there minding her own business it shouldn't be an issue. 

Felicity0224's picture

I don't really understand people who believe that cheating ended a relationship. If cheating happened the relationship was already rocky, maybe even over, just existing as a legality.

I feel like this is something people say to justify infidelity. In some cases, it might be true, but sometimes it simply is not. I've been to a LOT of therapy to heal from my XH's affairs because I was genuinely blindsided - our relationship was not broken. We were very happy together and we are in fact still very good friends. He's admitted many, many times that his intention was for me to never find out about the affairs and stay married forever because he wants to be married to me still. He miscalculated by choosing an affair partner who decided she wasn't happy being the secret and exposed their affair.

You could say that it was ultimately his sex addiction that ended/broke our relationship, I guess, but that's kind of a chicken/egg situation. I could have stayed and helped an addict in recovery, but I couldn't stay with a liar and an adulterer.

Anyway, all that to say, that sometimes cheating IS the cause of a family breaking up. And in that scenario, the kids who are old enough to understand are justified in being hurt, because they were betrayed too. In my case, our DD doesn't know and never will if I have anything to say about it. But my SDs do know (because they were on social media, which is where the mistress aired all the dirty laundry) and they refused to have anything at all to do with the mistress despite her trying to force herself on them. Not because of anything I said, because I actually have never once spoken to them about it, but because they were pissed that their lives were upended. And it was easier to direct that anger at the mistress than to their dad. Fair? Maybe not. But I think it's natural and human. After a few years of thinking she "won", the mistress got tired of being cheated on (go figure), being excluded from family stuff, and the fact that XH wouldn't marry her. She finally gave up and moved on. Which is perhaps what OP's wife should do if she's in a similar situation. 

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