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Happycamper's picture

So after hearing DH talk to his ex last night, things even started to bother me more. They are planning on meeting for breakfast or at a food place next weekend with SD to talk to her about what's going on with her. It's eating at me. SD is 18. Why should DH have to go sit with BM and SD to have talks? I told him this morning that it was bothering me. I woke up with a migraine from the stress of it. I tried to talk rationally and explain how it made me feel. It's not my daughter....I'm insecure....I'm always causing issues....blah, blah, blah was his answers. I told him I'm the person that has to go to all of the kids' activities, concerts, dances, choir, etc. but when it comes to important things, all of a sudden, I'm not included. I wanted him to listen, be compassionate and just understand where I was coming from. Instead (as I figured it would), it turns into an argument. I don't understand why he doesn't consider my feelings. SD is causing all of these issues. I even said that. He said, no YOU are. Short of walking out of my marriage, what am I suppose to do at this point? I don't want it to become a norm that it's ok for him to get together with BM to discuss kids. The older the kids get, I would think that could be done via phone. Yes I'm whining. Yes, I'm hurt. No, I have no one that I can talk to here that understands. DH makes me feel like I'm the only person with an issue...which in case is right. Him, BM and SD are all ok with going off and hanging out together while step mom stays home.

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justmakingthebest's picture

Honestly, I would take a "me" vacation if I was you. Do you have Bio's at home? I am sorry I can't remember. If you don't take a week next week and go. Go stay with your mom or bounce around and visit some friends but go. Tell your H that you will be back in a few days. Don't give details. Just go. 

If you aren't worth consulting on this, he isn't worth consulting on your trip.That is exactly how I would phrase it. I am an equal partner in my marriage. You should be too. As wives it is our husbands job to make us feel safe and secure. They are supposed to be our partners. You H is belittling you and making you feel "less".

We all took vows that said "foresaking all others" - our paster even stated that meant our children during the cermony. Counseling before hand we discussed the differences of wants and needs of children.This is a case of your SD wants to come home. No one is telling her no. That her needs are met in her dorm. That her classes are paid for and she will do her job as a student to get good grades and finish this semester. The end. If she wants to come home after the semester she better have a job and a plan becasue she is an adult now and drop outs aren't welcome. 

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

On a non-serious note... Punch him in the face and tell him to stop being BM's and SM's little b****.

On another note. He needs a reality check. As I've told my DH, it's an all or nothing kind of deal. Either you see me as another parent and I'm treated as such, or I'm nothing. But as nothing, I'm not a glorified babysitter. NOPE!

I think your SD is acting spoiled and needs to be told no. EVERYTHING IS PAID FOR. COLLEGE IS NOT CHEAP! She should be there for the MINIMUM of the semester. And then have to figure things out like an actual adult if she still wants to drop out so bad! Everyone bending over and meeting "for" her is ridiculous!

Harry's picture

DH should not be meeting With BM at all, The kid is 18,  they are still playing “ Happy Family” and you are not part of it.  Writing is on the wall.  You are not important!.  I am sorry for you,    Disengage from SD. She is NOT living in your home !!!  You will not give her any money in an way shape of.  No car, no trips ect.

thinkthrice's picture

R-U-N-N-O-F-T

-Oh Brother Where Art Thou

ESMOD's picture

I am going to be the lone dissenter here I guess.  From glancing at your other posts, your SD is having some problems... dropping out of school.. etc.  Whether she is 18 or not, she is still both of their children and they both are obviously going to be concerned about her.  She will still be their baby even when she is forty..lol.  If, let's say, she was dealing with a drug addiction or in an abusive relationship, I can absolutely see her parents wanting to present a united front of support to try to get her help.  Now, does that mean that you and BM's SO should be included?  I guess it can go either way.  If the spouses have a good relationship with the EX.. and have been super involved in raising the child for an extended amount of time, I don't think it would be bad for them to be included.  However, if the relationship is HC.. I think the presence of the new spouses could be a distraction to the parents from the core issue.. the child.

Does that mean that the new spouses shouldn't have the opportunity to give their SO input?  No, absolutely not.  the new spouse should be able to give their SO advice or help them brainstorm solutions.  After all, some of those solutions may impact that new spouse's household in some way.  So, absolutely you should have a right to provide your two cents.  But ultimately this is an issue for the bio parents to deal with.  In fact, in a HC situation, a good solution from someone "outside the circle of trust" may be dismissed out of hand because of the source.  So, you and your DH discuss things and he goes to the meeting prepared with ideas and what he is willing to do.... that fall within an acceptable spectrum for you his wife.

I don't think this in any way is playing happy family.  The situation is anything BUT happy.  The child needs help/direction and her parents are the logical people to do that.  Sure, would have been better done when she was under 18, but you are where you are now.. so that is what they are dealing with.

Honestly I believe this is one of those situations where we as step parents can set our ego aside and let our spouse do the right thing for their child.. even if it means meeting with their EX to discuss it without new spouses present.  This isn't the same thing as a child's wedding invitation where the new spouse would be wrong to be excluded.  This is a crisis of their child and the two parents are the ones that should be doing the heavy lifting... 

So, in your case, I think that disengaging is the solution if you don't feel that you can at least discuss the situation with your DH.  I think he got defensive because your push to be included or stop him made him feel that in some way you don't trust him to have this meeting like a mature adult.

Happycamper's picture

I've been married for 6 years now...when am I no longer the NEW spouse??? I wish it weren't impacting me directly but it is...emotionally and financially. Because guess waht...BM is now trying to talk SD to staying the entire year at school, because it would be easier for her and she won't have to come home and get a job. All of a sudden the though of not working appeals to SD. I'm tired of being the NEW spouse...years later. I'm tired of being good enough to take my money and time to help support the skid but that's all I'm good enough for.

ESMOD's picture

Please try to not focus on the way I said that... I was just trying to differentiate between you as your DH's current/new spouse vs his EX/old spouse.  I meant new vs old.. not necessarily recent.  I guess I could have said 2nd spouse instead.. but not sure if that's the case .. I'm my DH's third wife..lol. 

My bottom line input would be that I don't think you need to be present at the meeting but your DH should be open to listening to your input before he meets with his EX.   It doesn't mean that you shouldn't have cared about the girl.. or that your opinion is meaningless.. it means that this is a crisis that her parents want to address and since she is thier bio child.. their meeting to discuss how they might deal with it is not a reflection on you in any way.

 

 

Merry's picture

I'm with you, ESMOD. Both DH and I have had adult(ish) kids go off the rails when they were late teens/early 20s. I got together with my ex to talk with him about our daughter, and DH communicated with his ex to talk through options about their child. No "happy family" even remotely associated with either of us.

DH and I were able to discuss each other's children and their issues, but I did not feel like I needed to insert myself into the conversation with his exwife. And I would not have welcomed DH in the conversation with my exH.

But DH and I were a team, no matter. I didn't feel diminished or left out, and DH made sure my opinions and feelings were taken into account. I think that's the difference. OP doesn't feel valued, and that's wrong.

Happycamper's picture

Text received a little while ago...I'm not trying to hurt you BUT I don't understand why you feel the things you do...it's all about "princess," it aggravates me that 6 years laer we still argue over this stuff...Well geez...it aggravates me that 6 years later, and having an 18 year old, you need to go have meetings with mommy and her alone. Isn't that what a phone is for???

Siemprematahari's picture

Disengage plain and simple. This is causing you migraines and its not healthy. Financially do not contribute a dime to SD and as far as events and doing drop offs and other favors......NO!. Let your H, BM, & SD have their "meeting" and whatever comes from it has NOTHING to do with you.

Let the pieces fall where they may and assure him that anything that pertains to SD is on him. Just be clear that she's not allowed into your home until their is an action plan on what she's going to do with her life. Its time for you to take care of you, Happy Camper.

hereiam's picture

This would not bother me IF I knew that both parents had the same line of thinking and were actually going to do what was best for the kid.

In this case, they need to be a united front and convince her to give it a shot and stay in college. They need to make that the most appealing option and not coddle her and encourage her to just quit because she wants to. In fact, I would be insisting that she pay that money back, for starters.

Do you have ANY idea what is going on in your husband's and BM's head concerning SD's college education? Are they both willing to just let her do what she wants? Have you and your husband discussed this, at all, or are just being left out completely?

The real problem in your situation is that you can't trust your husband. His daughter's WANTS (not what is best for her), and him being a Disney dad, come first, before you and your marriage. You don't know what decisions your husband is going to make, but you know that he is going to make them without thinking about you.

ESMOD's picture

That is a hill to die on for me. I absolutely had input on things that might impact my home.. and whether DH provided things to his kids or whether they lived with us etc.. impacted me.  My DH always would listen to my input when we had something going on with one of the girls.  Now, i wasn't part of the parent to parent talk... but he absolutely knew my position and what I was willing for our household to do financially or otherwise. 

twoviewpoints's picture

What they are planning is a captured audience with a controlled environment. 

The parents are going to sit her down where SD can not really get away nor toss a huge drama scene aka public setting. Anything a young lady hates worse than being told the whats and hows things in reality are, is being made to look or act the fool.

I 'get' the request of the parent/kid conference. What I certainly don't get is why your DH is being such an *ss to you about it. No wife would appreciate the idea of her husband having a meal out with the ex wife. Him blaming you for his f-ed up daughter is BS. Him not taking into consideration the 'icky' feel you have over a seemingly cozy little breakfast with x and daughter and instead fighting with you over your feelings is helping how you feel about it all. 

They do have things to discuss , but they also have things they must present to their daughter. she's being packed off to live with the grandparents. You bet your buns this teen needs to have to expectations and whats and hows laid out to her. And it is best if Dad and Mom show an united front. One where this young lady clearly knows this is last chance and she is absolutely not to take advantage of the grandparents. In fact, she should have a job and pay the grandparents rent (along with both BM and Dad also being sure the parents and the brat are the ones footing cost of food et.

But why can't you attend? If not sit in on the actual show down, at least sit and have breakfast with DH. Perhaps you and Dh already sitting  enjoying breakfast and towards the end in walks BM and SD. Dh could get up and go sit for the discussion leaving you to finish and either enjoy more coffee or wonder out to a shop nearby.

You don't necessarily have to join the discussion where the parents rip her and lay out the 'new rules'  ( if one, if there is already tension and discord between SD and you, shell be angry you get to watch and listen to her get scolded). But on the other hand, if any of the discussion is to be about you, you could, IMO, sit in during that initial part. The point is, the parents of this young lady (and you also if you have had parental type role with SD) need to show all adults figures are in agreement an on the same page. But in any case, if SD sees Dad and you sitting enjoying breakfast as she and BM walk in, she would know the three adults are all in support together of what is about to occur.

I've caught some of your past blogs , not all of them or in full, but for DH to treat you as if you are to blame for his daughter's poor behavior and/or foolish actions/decisions is crazy.   

And as to the possibility of 'family breakfast' becoming the norm? I sincerely doubt SD is going to want any more breakfast with Mom and Dad after she gets all the whats and hows and no ifs nor buts during this one.

This isn't suppose to be a causal social happy outing, right? The young lady should be leaving this meeting knowing full well she is on her last and final chance and if she doesn't pull herself together , everyone is done trying to 'help' her. 

If you don't attend perhaps it might be worth the suggestion that prior to the meeting BM and Dad exchange agenda sheets. Where they exchange topics and how they agee to present and deal with the topics. I would think your input on Dad's ideas for presentation would be valuable . As I said this needs to be a united. 

Happycamper's picture

What BM wants SD to do changes daily. Yesterday morning, SD was all set to live with the grandparents...and let me tell you. The grandparents will do everything for her. DH already said if she's living there, no one will make her work, cook or even do her laundry. I think she's so lazy she wants to take like 2 classes at a time and not even be full time. Yesterday evening, she calls with a whole different plan that BM puts into her head to stay the entire year because they will lose the housing deposit...she doesn't consider tuition has to be paid for another semester so that's actually losing money. SD has 3K saved from graduation. Make her pay the lost deposit. No...BM won't...she goes on and on how when she went to school my DH helped her pay for it so someone needs to help SD. Well, SD doesn't know what she wants. BM doesn't think clearly or rationally. We shouldn't be throwing more money away to stay another sememster when she's quitting eventually to go to trade school. It's not a meeting where mom and dad will put her in her place. They both bow down to her and coddle her. I'm sure that's why DH doesn't want me there to see how pathetic they are going to bow down to her.

TwoOfUs's picture

Oh Geez. 

My SD turned 18 in May...and she was absolutely horrid from 17-18, her whole senior year. No direction, no ambition...lots of entitlement. She didn't drop out of school, but she did expect DH and me to fork out 40K for a college no questions asked because a boy she liked was going there. Yeah. That didn't happen. 

Now she's sitting out a year between high school and college because she couldn't get her act together and present a reasonable alternative to her 'dream school' (a kinda crappy state school that's only so expensive because it's on the coast and room and board is pricey.) 

All last year, DH kept making meeting plans for him, BM, and me to sit down with YSD and discuss her plans for the future. None of these meetings did any good...and I felt like they were a huge waste of my time and energy on a kid who wanted nothing to do with our advice. I would have been so happy if DH had kept it 'in the family' so to speak and just met with BM and YSD. Though I did get the chance to tell her that she was acting spoiled and entitled in front of both of her parents and have them nod along (and thank me afterward for being so direct and straightforward with her). Seriously, though. we did about 5 or 6 of these 'family meetings' and no good came of any of them. 

Consider yourself lucky. Let your DH try to sort out his kid. It probably won't work...she'll have to find her ambition and purpose on her own...and it has nothing to do with his Ex. 

Just J's picture

There is no need for them to meet in person. My stepkids had their share of problems growing up and not once did my DH meet with BM over any of  it. They took care of it over the phone or email. And while dropping out of college is not a great thing, it's certainly not some kind of emergency that you need to treat like an intervention.  And if your BM is anything like ours, she's going to make all the decisions anyway so why is she insisting on meeting with your DH? Nope. And for him to say you're making a big deal over nothing is bull. Why do all of our DH's do this? It's like it's just a general male trait to think that your wife having to constantly deal with someone you used to sleep with is no big deal.   Yet all of us know, 10000% that if we had an ex that we met up with or talked to so much or had such conflict with and let him trample us, it would not fly at all! 

 

I agree with the others that your only choice is to disengage completely. No money, rides, lending cars, etc. and if you can't afford to have her move in, your DH needs to know that. It will be extra food, hot water, electricity. My adult SS moved in with us 8 years ago and was a slug for the first few months and I was pissed. We didn't pay for anything for him as far as his expenses (except food), but he did move in with the understanding that we got a bigger place specifically because he was moving in, and he would pay for that. He had no job for 6 months (nor was he making much effort to find one) and I told DH his rent was going to pile up. I wasn't going to let it slide, he was going to pay us back when he got a job. Luckily DH agreed. Out of desperation SS joined a clinical trial that paid a few thousand dollars and paid us back, and then ended up going back to the job he quit in our old town. I can't imagine if my DH had just let it all go and not demanded his son work, like I have a feeling yours will. Adults should work.  I have every intention of making my own kids work, so it's not a step thing. Every adult should be responsible and if she's not going to school, she needs to find a job and a way to support herself. I'm sure it's in your old blogs but why won't BM take her back? Why are you so awful for not wanting her when her own mom doesn't? Stand your ground. Having a lazy stepkids move in SUCKS. I was so ready to ship him back to BM's after a few months of his nonsense. Fortunately for me he shaped up and now he's actually finally moving out at age 28, but look how long that took. And that was with DH only being like 50% Disney dad.

justmakingthebest's picture

OH OH OH! You got me thinking! 

Now I don't know how you guys divide up your household expenses BUT if you guys are 50/50 that needs to change asap is SD moves in - DH get's 2/3 of all costs. I would make that crystal clear! That might change how your H wants to handle this if his expenses just went up. 

Just J's picture

This exactly!

Happycamper's picture

Believe it or not, it was my DH's idea to meet with his ex. I clearly heard him on the phone tell her this and make the plans. I think he maybe should have talked to me first and say, hey I really feel like I need to sit down and meet with her, but he didn't. He just made the plans without regard to my feelings about it. He just keeps arguing, it's about my kid.  I get that, but there is a right and a wrong way to do things. Just because you will be talking about your kid doesn't mean that you always have to diss your current wife. skids always trump wife.

hereiam's picture

You need to know your role?

Time and time again, this man has shown you what is important to him...and it's not you.

Harry's picture

For dinner meeting.  You are not good to pay anything.  DH has to pay 2/3 of all family bills. Then what ever is leftover can go to SD college.  Hope BM is paying At least 1/2 of her DD total collage expenses.  Hope SM is not just trying to bankrupt you. Her sitting doing nothing and you payed all expenses???   You have to lay it out for DH.  This is a hill to died on. Or this will go on the rest of your life.  BM coating you money,  car, house, living money wedding maybe one or two or three. 

Happycamper's picture

Today he's still making excuses for her...none that she has actually said or portayed...I think she's just afraid of failing (dropping out isn't doing that?), I think she feels really bad about all of this...etc. Never, ever, will he say, I can't believe we've spent all of this money and she's not taking it seriously or trying her hardest!  Ugh!!!

ESMOD's picture

If it makes you feel any better... not all kids who drop out of school end up on skid row.  Yours truly left not one but two colleges and ended up going back and not only finishing my undergrad but went on to get a MBA.  I am now very gainfully employed.

The first college was due to a severe conflict with a roommate.  I had written some venting stuff about her... and she found it.. and went to the college said she didn't feel safe.  I, of course, would not have hurt her.. just was venting.. like many of us do here.. but they said I would benefit from a break.

Second was an Ivy League school where I had been accepted and had deferred admission for a year because my parents were military and I went to the overseas college(first college).  I think this was very much due to culture shock and probably a lot of insecurity being surrounded by people that were a LOT better off than me.  Girls wearing pearls to go do laundry and such.  I just sort of checked out.. slowly stopped attending my classes.. spent more time watching TV... drinking beer... just basically not trying.  I don't know.. but I didn't go back.

My parents insisted that I go to work and support myself.  So I got a full time job and they helped me get an apt. I paid the bills going forward... A few years and some maturity down the road, I tried college again at a CC... and did well  and the rest is history.

We are not always a fully baked human being at 16 or 17 years old.  There is time for improvement.. maybe your SD needs that?

 

Happycamper's picture

She may and I applaud you!  My fear is that the parents are always there to bail her out, problem solve for her, basically do everything for her. If she is made to do things on her own, she will be much better off in the long road. She has been enabled for way too long.