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Gunner's picture

As expected I came home to an empty house. There was a note on the table telling me she had taken her girls and gone to her sisters and if I want her back I need to do xyz. XYZ includes paying her bills, paying for private school for her kids, seeing my kids outside our home for summer except for every other weekend in which she will leave the house and a list of other things she is unhappy about concerning my kids. I called her and asked her to dinner in voicemail for tonight. I would love for her to come home and things go back the way they were before but I can not do that. I will not cut off the extra money to my ex that pays for my kids to have a good life. My ex uses that money on my kids and for my kids. I'm going to tell her tonight if she shows that I love her and want her home but I am through paying for her bills and for her kids. I will pay for our home and all expenses related to everyday living. That should be enough right? My father's board is telling me she us using me and that I need to stay strong. I hope I am doing the right thing, I really love my wife.

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hereiam's picture

She is using you, that's obvious by her terms.

Did she say anything in the note about loving you? Probably not because it's not about that for her, it's about having her bills paid and her children supported. What is she willing to sacrifice for the marriage? My guess is, nothing, she wants YOU to do it all.

if I want her back I need to do xyz. XYZ includes paying her bills, paying for private school for her kids, seeing my kids outside our home for summer except for every other weekend in which she will leave the house and a list of other things she is unhappy about concerning my kids.

All of that ^^^ is about HER and what she wants, not about your marriage or relationship. She's really got some balls, telling you that you should be paying her bills and private school for her kids. She doesn't want a partner, she wants a sugar daddy.

Disneyfan's picture

Plenty of women here told you the same thing the men are telling you.
Hell, your wife basically told you what everyone else is saying.

Just cut you loses and move on. She will find a new victim to provide your kids with the lifestyle she and their father can't/won't provide. This time when she goes victim hunting, she'll find an idiot who doesn't have kids of his own.

Hopefully the next woman you find won't a part of the TAKE ALL YOU CAN, GIVE NOTHING BACK gang. Your wife wants to take all she can from you for her kids, but she isn't willing to give anything to yours.

You need to make sure all of your accounts are locked down and secure.

FrenchPeas's picture

Yep. Byeeeee!!! She is cutting off her nose to spite her face. It's almost comical.

Disneyfan's picture

It is comical. She has to bes a special kind of stupid to throw out this type of ultimatum when she doesn't have the ability to cover those expenses on her own.

Your wife is just hell bent on being a walking stereotype.

still learning's picture

Yet it's ok for exW to receive extra money beyond what is ordered for expenses she cannot afford on her own?

Disneyfan's picture

It's OK if:

He's using his money and not his wife's.
His choice doesn't have a negative impact on the financial wellbeing of their home.
He is providing her children with a lifestyle she can't provide on hervown damn dime.

This woman has a lot of nerve to complain about him giving extra to help support his kids, when he is spending extra to support hers.

If the extra money he gives BM resulted in their bills being behind, not having retirement, savings....then his wife would have a legitimate gripe. But when your motivation is greed and control, you shouldn't get a say.

Disneyfan's picture

Yes, because it's his money being used for his kids. :?

His wife wants him to stop spending on his, so that he has more to spend on hers. That is absolutely ridiculous and greedy.

BM may be greedy as well, but her greed is for the benefit of their children.

still learning's picture

Is it really for the benefit of the children or is it so that she does not have to spend her own money? I wonder if BM works or just lives off of CS and all the extras she gets from OP. I'd love to hear that side of the story.

Disneyfan's picture

Even if she is a lazy lump who isn't contributing, it doesn't change my opinion, since his choice isn't hurting thier home financially.

My opinion would be different if he couldn't afford to do what he's doing. Or if his wife was taking a financial hit while he was busy playing SUPER DADDY. Neither one of those things are happing here. This man has his shit together.

still learning's picture

"This man has his shit together."

Really? Then why is he on the verge of a second divorce? He kowtows and plays ATM to BM and 2nd wife just left. Sounds like he has a little work to do.

Disneyfan's picture

Having enough self respect to walking away when you realize that your spouse using you, is a good thing.

Having the strength to say I will not subsidize your children while you attempt to marginalize mine, is a good thing.

Having the means to provide for the people in life in the manner of your choice, is a good thing.

So yeah, I say this man has his shit together.

Disneyfan's picture

I assume anyone who is paying off their spouse's student loans and helping to pay for their stepkids to attend a private is pretty much financially secure.

Gunner's picture

I am financially secure. I make a great living, retirement is saved, I have funded most of my kids college and I will have paid off my house in 3 years.

Gunner's picture

I make 200+ and then some. My first wife cheated on me with her old flame she reconnected with on Facebook. I did nothing wrong and she admits it was all her. Maybe I am wrong to fight for my second marriage. I don't think being taken advantage of makes me a bad person. I am willing to be a great husband to my wife but I am not willing to cut my kids out of my life or not support them the way I can.

FieryEscape's picture

In my opinion , your wife's demands are unreasonable. And she refuses to go to counseling as well, right ? How long have you been married?

Love is never enough . There has to be respect and compromise . Blended families take a TON of work and many years to even begin to be functional.

Your kids probably do annoy your wife , but my guess is she is resentful of the extra money sent to your ex and is taking it out in your kids. She needs to grow up and get over it. It sounds like you are a very good provider and she just doesn't want to share. I admit, I'd be annoyed as well about any extra money going to the BM - no matter what the reason.

I also think she is just be dramatic and is trying to get you to chase her and beg for forgiveness . It sounds like she has a nice life with you and if she really loves you , she will come to her senses. If she doesn't , then she is just using you.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Stepaside, just curious, have you followed his other posts? His kids get great grades, her complaint about them was leaving backpacks at the front door but allowed her own kids to do the same, won't go to counseling, etc etc etc.

I think we all agree that the money to the second house is a sticky wicket but her sneaky and provocative ways of getting her own way seriously undercut her position. IMHO of course.

Just wondered, no probs.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Gunner, love does not conquer all. Not only that, but love is a two-way street. Actually it SHOULD be two-way, but sometimes the view is so exciting we fail to notice all the traffic is going one way only.

No one is more annoying or hard to live with than my stepdaughter now 17. (OK, some other kids on this board just might be). She has made it her special project to spew hate and hostility toward me. And a thousand other things about her are nails on a chalkboard torture. But I have never told my dh to see her outside or that he can't plan a vacation with her. And most especially I have never demanded my dh pay for something for me.

That bears repeating, I have never demanded my dh pay for something for me.

I don't even have kids, so this is strictly my bills we would be talking about, no private schools or clothing or anything for kids that aren't his. My dh is a good man and a good provider-we do share a good life. But it is not by demand. Most importantly, if something happened to him and he could no longer bring home a paycheck, I would still be his biggest fan, ally, and sweetheart. We would be absolutely fine.

Gunner, your wife is telling you those things are not true for her. She is encasing it in language designed to provoke an old-fashioned "you Tarzan, me prize you wanna catch" response in you. She is also positioning it as something you have done bad and she is a wronged party. This is to make you feel bad so you give in.

There may be some genuine complaints she has. Your kids could very well be far more annoying than you realize and the extra money sent to ex could trouble many a sincere wife. But your wife has shown time after time no straightforward give and take problem solving with you. She manipulates underhand and overhand. Wash rinse repeat.

This is a very tough call to make and only you can do it but for those of us on the outside looking in it's clear: you might as well take advantage of her being gone to serve her. She might be considered as having abandoned the family home which will make negotiating a settlement much easier for you.

It's flat out ridiculous and really actually sinister that she is demanding tuition for her own kids in order to "get" her. Would you have accepted that condition on your first date with her? Picture that and then you can see this for what it is, as painful as that may be.

Sorry you're going through this. We all know how terribly painful it is.

Gunner's picture

I treat my wife all the time. I would never stand there and expect her to watch me buy for others and not her. Up until this vacation fiasco I've made sure my wife has had a very comfortable life style. I take pride in spoiling her and keeping her happy but there are some limits I have to have. My kids need to be a part of my life and I won't feel bad about that.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Not sure if you're willing but can you post her note, verbatim? I ask because it's hard to know what is actually happening when we're getting only the gist of the note as you understood it, and not what the note may have actually said.

Honestly, at this point, it's not worth it to keep this marriage if everything is as we are taking it as. As you are portraying it, you're the loving and fair husband who is willing to do whatever it takes to keep your marriage but not at the expense of your kids, which is noble and the right thing to do, and she is the wicked stepmother who is a user taking advantage of you but you love her. Part of me wonders if you enjoy being abused and then having other people back you up so you can feel like a noble hero. I wonder this because my husband has the exact same tendencies and it drives me nuts--portrays someone else (the enemy of the week) as super evil and that he is the victim but I can tell when he's the one who sets the situations up--if you really believe this person is terrible then you know what you need to do. Not keep on setting them up for tests that they will inevitably fail--just cut this toxic person out of your life.

Unless you enjoy the drama in which case, have at it.

twoviewpoints's picture

Your life. Your marriage. Your children. You have to live it your own way I suppose, but frankly, after getting home to a demand letter like that? I would not have picked up the phone and called her.

What's left to talk about?

still learning's picture

"I will not cut off the extra money to my ex that pays for my kids to have a good life. My ex uses that money on my kids and for my kids."

Going to play Devils advocate here so you can see things from a second wife's perspective.

Hmm...this sounds like a point of contention in your marriage. Just how much *extra* money is going to the ex, for the kids of course. You're saying that you absolutely WILL NOT cut off extra money to the ex. So the ex gets whatever she wants while your own wife has to give you her half of the vacation fund (per your other blog) since she didn't want to vacation w/your kids.

Just from the few things I've read it sounds like there is a huge balance of power in your marriage and it's all favoring your ex and your kids. Your ex gets above and beyond what is court ordered while your own wife has to pull her own weight w/groceries ect. Perhaps the request for you to pay the kids school tuition is an attempt to even out the money flowing to the other home. I don't agree w/you having to pay your SD's tution, that is her parents job but I also don't agree to your ex getting extras when she too should be providing for her/your children and pulling her own weight as well.

I'm a second wife and a huge point of contention in our marriage has been money. exW doesn't work but lives off the spoils of divorce and alimony that DH still pays. Grown step sons have also spent years mooching off of DH, all the while DH and I are working our @$$'s off while 3 functional adults sponge off him. I hate it and it's caused plenty of tension.

I recall you painting your children as perfect angels and hers as annoying and ungrateful. Like StepAside said above, I'd love to hear your wife's side of the story.

With your attitude you're going to have a hard time making any consecutive marriages work. I'd say divorce current wife and go back to the ex or just stay single and focus on your ex and kids.

**Edited to add: I think it's interesting that people are telling you that your current wife is using you but no mention of how exW is using your for all the extras too. That gold digging user second wife, how dare she ask something of you while all your extra money is being willing shuttled to the ex...for the kids of course.

ChiefGrownup's picture

These are all great points and they have even been brought up in his previous posts. For me, however, the wife has revealed time and time again that she does not want to problem solve with him. She manipulates through dishonorable means and refuses counseling. Therefore all bets are off.

Those are definitely legitimate concerns. But how is he supposed to get better at them if she won't actually talk to him but just wants to activate his "oh, no, here be dragons" button with bs like her little girl's private matters?

ETA: I think the money going to the second house has been mentioned by several people.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Could be. Could very well be.

In which case the answer is the same. This goose is cooked. They say when the woman is no longer willing to work on things, it's doomed.

still learning's picture

There are always two sides of every story, we're getting one side here. I agree that they should go to counseling even if only to understand what in the world is going on.

TwoOfUs's picture

I don't agree. Many posters here are good about writing at least SOME understanding of what their spouse / SO may be feeling, thinking, doing - having some empathy with the position of their other half. I see none of that understanding...or even an attempt at understanding...from Gunner's posts. At what point has he ever said anything like: "I've been reading up, and I can now see that being a stepmom is incredibly hard...but I still think she's being unreasonable..." I've never seen one single indication that he's made any attempt to come to her or "get it" in any way.

In this sense, I think his story is particularly one-sided.

TwoOfUs's picture

Oh, yeah. The whole backpack saga - what have I done wrong here?!?!? Please help me understand!!!

Then, a few people gave him a couple ways to look at it / see it from his wife's perspective. Did he consider that for a second, try to have a conversation with her...demonstrate any empathy at all as a result?

Please. It became very clear to me after that post that Gunner actually has no interest in learning or understanding his part in any of this or any interest in attempting to see things from his wife's perspective. He was downright gleeful to be able to put her in her place with the backpack thing...about her kids not saying thanks for the shopping trip. He wants to be the victim and so he is.

I've gone back through and read even my most frustrated rants about my DH...and throughout I always temper my frustration with his good qualities...he's loving, considerate, funny, ambitious. He puts our marriage first. Any frustrations I have about money (and I have many) are clearly just one part of our relationship...again, even when I am venting as hard as I know how.

What has Gunner said is good about his wife? He loves her. That's it...that's all he's said. He loves her and likes to spoil her. Talk about a completely narcissistic, controlling perspective. She's worthy because I (the ultimate good guy victim) have chosen her!!! Again. Please. Cry me a river.

ChiefGrownup's picture

"He's close to 200 years old."

Heeheeheeheehee! Something we can heartily agree on! you made me laugh out loud!

Gunner's picture

She is fine with my kids coming and following the school schedule but she doesn't want them here all summer like I normally get them. She wants to ban them from my summer visitation.

Gunner's picture

She is beautiful and she is completely out of my league. I'm going to go to dinner and hope she shows. If she doesn't then I plan on going radio silent.

TwoOfUs's picture

I'm with Sue 100%.

No woman is this awful. Or...very few. There are power dynamics at play here that have turned your wife this way. I can see it in every post. She's trying to have some control and say over HER life...not yours. She may be going about it the wrong way, but I guarantee this is what's behind 95% of her actions. She wants a voice...you haven't given that to her.

z3girl's picture

He isn't actually saying she's awful. He says he loves her. He wants to go to counseling with her, and she refuses. Yes, there is more to it because we only know what he says, same as with every post here.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Lol seue is hardcore. I softened up my response a bit because from the way he wrote his posts, he does sound like an NPD (which I unfortunately have had the displeasure of dealing with.) Not that it is a full indication, but I found it uncomfortable that he cherry picked which portion of the note he would like us to know and described what he was willing to share from his perspective. If it was me, I'd have posted the actual note so people can see how horrible this wife of mine really is because explaining it would have done it no justice.

I mean, sounds classic. Martyr wants to do right by his kids, describes his wife like the epitome of an evil user, but he still loves her despite all that? Is this like a lifetime movie?

She walked, let her go. It's over. But he dangles dinner and the possibility of working it out in front of her just so that he can bring her back, have her do some other things he spins as evil, so the people on these two boards can tell him what a horrible person she is and how good of a dude he is.

TwoOfUs's picture

Of all the posts, the one that rubbed me wrong the most was his ridiculous complaint that his stepkids didn't thank him for the shopping trip for Mother's Day. They thanked him for lunch, which was during the same trip, but since they didn't specifically thank him for the shopping trip, he got his panties in a twist.

That was just the worst, most nitpicky one. In every post, he sounds controlling. In every post his kids are spontaneously grateful angels, hers are bratty annoyances. I wouldn't want to live with that, either...and sounds like his wife is more than happy to walk away in order to get her dignity and personhood back.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Gotta ask, how is demanding her kids tuition and her student loans be paid by him gaining "independence?"

TwoOfUs's picture

I'm guessing that SA is assuming, like I am, that the ultimatum is just an excuse to leave when he says no.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

I don't know if that's what he read into it. It could have been as simple as "You're willing to subsidize your exwife's life but not help me pay for my student loans?" and he takes it as that she's demanding him pay for student loans.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Personally it looks to me like her lunacy is her faith in her power over him. Who says "in order to get me back?" I think most spouses say "we need to work on xyz before we can talk about me coming home."

I feel if independence or even freedom from his kids were her goal she'd do something like Sally did. Just agree to live apart and take care of her own business and not have to witness his.

I could certainly be wrong but I just haven't seem him be snarky or anything but super logical like an engineer. He takes everything she says at face value. He is not a subtext kind of guy. If she would come out and say stuff to him he would address it. He may flub it up but that's what marriage is. You keep polishing the rough edges away until you both get it right. Pulling the low blow of throwing her little girl's privacy under the bus speaks volumes to me about the wife.

I agree with all that the money to the second house can be a real problem, not just because of the money it takes away from their house which doesn't seem to be an issue. It can be a bigger problem because of the messy boundary between this marriage and that, the second class citizenship it can confer on the current wife, the sense that those two are not really done with each other, and the fury over what you can perceive as your dh being used and manipulated. But there are ways to work on that and she has tried. none. of. them.

I don't see anything more incredible in his posts than in the average poster here. And we have plenty of examples of men being bamboozled by awful women--most of us are here because of that very thing! I just don't see anything unusual about his story at all. But there is great polarity in his threads so I guess there is room for reasonable minds to disagree.

TwoOfUs's picture

Agreed.

My DH will, from time to time, do extra for his kids. The only reason I have a problem with this is because I am making more than him and covering the majority of the household bills, so it's technically coming out of my pocket. Otherwise...I wouldn't care...because when he does for them he gives to them directly. I would be more than a little upset if he were handing extra money directly to his ex, who is a leech and horrible with money. That wouldn't fly.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Lilac, the extra money has been in most if not all of his threads. I believe it was in the first thread he made. I remember responding at the time that it was a problem. If she'd go to counseling with him she could have an excellent format to discuss it with him.

z3girl's picture

Regardless of how "awful" OP's kids may or may not be, the fact that his wife is not interested in counseling tells me that it's not worth saving anymore. Even if he is so "terrible" to his wife, he is willing to have a third party work with them, and his wife isn't. He is willing to talk, but all she is doing is making demands that sound entitled and ridiculous.

My DH has always given BM above CS for SD, and he can't stand BM. As much as I didn't like it, and sometimes I would voice my disapproval, but it didn't honestly affect our household, so I stopped. As long as our bills are paid, he can do what he likes with the rest. I believe OP should be able to give more for his kids if he wants if he has the means to do it. Sure it can be annoyance to his wife, but tough.

As for him being expected to pay for her kids' private school, I think that is a ridiculous demand that is made because of her annoyance at the extra money going for his kids. It's unreasonable, and just ridiculous. It sounds to me it was demanded in a fit of rage.

I also agree that OP never should have called his wife. It sounds like they have not been together all that long. Within the first 5 years or so, I would have tried to contact DH every time we fought to try to work things out. I would freak out if he wanted to take time to settle down. 11 years in, if he were to leave, I would not contact him at all. If it's meant to be, he will come back, and we will work things out. Same with this case. If the wife truly wants to work things out, she will come back. OP shouldn't back down at all. She needs to be willing to compromise or discuss things if things are to work.

We can't possibly know every little aspect to this, just like nobody but ourselves can see everything we do in our own situations.

TwoOfUs's picture

I didn't take it that she was uninterested in counseling, per se. He called and made the appointment without talking to her about it - chose the time, the place, the counselor. I think she's simply not interested in capitulating to another unilateral decision by her husband. I'm wondering if the result would have been different if he'd consulted with her first and tried to make it a joint decision in any way.

TwoOfUs's picture

I didn't take it that she was uninterested in counseling, per se. He called and made the appointment without talking to her about it - chose the time, the place, the counselor. I think she's simply not interested in capitulating to another unilateral decision by her husband. I'm wondering if the result would have been different if he'd consulted with her first and tried to make it a joint decision in any way.

twoviewpoints's picture

The OP's introduction:

" I am a stepdad and I overheard a woman on the elevator at work discussing this website with another woman. She was not a fan so I decided to see what the fuss was all about and I decided to join. So Hello folks."

With each additional blog creating this SM scenario where she just gets worse and worse.

This one is about finished playing out for it's run very shortly.

TwoOfUs's picture

lol.

True. Could be that "Gunner" just has a "rich inner life" and is expressing some strange fantasies here.

ChiefGrownup's picture

I have spoken about this site in public situations. What's so unbelievable that someone on an elevator or in a grocery store would overhear? Many stepparents would sit up at attention if they sniffed out some way to find help or support in a random circumstance.

Gunner's picture

I'll have it paid off in 3 years not I paid it off in 3 years. My ex wife works she makes about $40,000. I provide all the extras for my kids. They live in the old marital home that I own in a great part of town. The private school they attend should help them go to ivy league colleges. My father made sure I had the best start in life and I plan to do the same for my children. Without my dad going above and beyond for me I wouldn't have what I do today and yes my parents divorced and my dad paid extra.

still learning's picture

So you're paying your ex's rent/mortgage, cs and all extras. You're clearly subsidizing her lifestyle and wonder why your own wife is having issues w/the two of you's financial arrangement.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Gunner, you must be having quite a terrible day. I can't speak for everyone but I'm sure many of us feel for you.

How do things look to you at this point?

Also, couple data questions, how long have you been married? And can you give us an idea of what kind of profession you're in?

Thanks.

Gunner's picture

Things look bleak marriage wise. I'm questioning why my wife married me and if she only loves my money. I feel guilty for thinking this because I love her and this isn't her personality. I think anyway. We've been together 4 yrs married for 2. I'm in the medical field and I have investments.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Thanks, Gunner.

I would certainly consult a lawyer tomorrow. You have a lot of assets to protect and some reason to feel they are imperiled.

We have another poster here who started wondering the same questions you mention. She decided the answer was to ask her dh to sign a post-nup. So far he has refused to do so.

Consulting a lawyer seems like a very big step but it does not mean you have to go through with anything. In my first marriage I was too afraid to see one because it seemed like a big betrayal to do it without telling him. Well, come to find out he had already seen one. So much for my feeling guilty about betraying him!

Your wife has already left the house and is making financial demands -- you are virtually in divorce negotiations already. Might as well make sure you are prepared.

still learning's picture

Well Gunner, your ex wife has a way sweeter deal than your current one and the ex doesn't even have to live w/you.

twoviewpoints's picture

I'll bet that whatever CS, extras and the arrangements for the children's home and education was in place and well known to the OP's new wife previous to SM saying 'I do" and marrying.

Disneyfan's picture

That way she doesn't have to worry about stepkids getting any of the money her new victim (I mean husband)should be spending on her kids

Disneyfan's picture

Of course it isn't impossible. There are plenty people out there who more interested in love, respect and peace in their marriage than what their spouse can give them. But based on what has been posted about the wife she isn't one of them.

TwoOfUs's picture

100% agree.

I have also been called beautiful in my day...worked at a Country Club while putting myself through grad school in my 20s and routinely got offers - run away with me, come to Cabo with me...be my paid mistress on the side...be my beard at corporate events for pay...etc.

Said absolutely not to all such offers and married a starving artist instead. He has family money...but not much or any access to it yet and his parents are very healthy. I guess if this is a con...it's the long con...lol

twoviewpoints's picture

Really neither here nor there, but if his current wife is his cook, laundress and maid and whatever else you tossed in there, one might ask this current wife why? Does your husband get away with doing jacksh*t around the home? Mine doesn't. We share in cooking and I have never done his laundry (well a couple times many years ago but he didn't like the shade his socks turned so never again).

But again, I'm going to assume SM knew this guy's schedule with work, his schedule with his kids and rather or not he sat on his behind while she did all the cooking and cleaning and household chores prior to saying 'I do'. She was with him two years before marrying.

He did mention in one blog his current wife worked and made less than he did, but I don't think he gave a figure amount. He just now mentioned the 1st wife makes roughly $40,000. Second wife? $40,000? $60,000? $100,000? I wouldn't think it's on the higher end there as he does say she can't paying all her pre-marriage bills and part of the current household bills.

FieryEscape's picture

:jawdrop:

So your exWife and children live in a home that you own - does she pay rent and her own utilities and upkeep ? You said she makes 40k/yr - what does she spend to actually support her own kids ? Honestly , I get you are trying to do right by your kids - but their BM is responsible for them as well. What is your plan for when your kid are adults ? Will you just kick the ex out ? NO relationship / marriage you ever have will not be poisoned by jealousy and resentment that you are supporting your exWife.

FieryEscape's picture

I haven't seen anyone complain about the CS he is paying ( which is probably already a ton ).

What people are taking issue with , are all the extras , above CS. The BM lives in the marital home that the OP owns . He pays CS and for extras . The it's " for the kids " only gets you so far .

I never said the OP was obligated to do anything for his skids. I DO understand why his current wife might be resentful about finances .
Finances are a big pain in blended families . I have made it crystal clear to my SO, that anything I decide to pay for that involves his kids is MY choice . I didn't make them and I am not responsible for them. Just as the OPs wife and exDH are responsible for their kids.

Unless the kids have serious mental / criminal / deviant tendencies - the current wife trying to ban the OPs kids from his own home for the summer is just plain wrong.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

The thing is, unless I'm reading it wrong, he said he pays a PORTION of her kids tuition and she pays the rest? That sounds like they agreed to split it some time ago, rather than he pays for all of it like he had seemed to lead us to believe earlier on?

This is what I don't like. I need to know the actual truth instead of half truths. Yes, "I pay for my wife's kids private school tuition" is technically true--but up until now, I thought he paid for all of it, but that isn't actually the case.

twoviewpoints's picture

His reply to a poster on May 3rd:

"I pay a part of their tuition but she has to cover a majority of it. I pay what I can when enrollment comes and she makes the monthly payments."

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Wait, so she pays for most of it? Okay, how many of us have helped our SO's with a small portion of whatever bills they may have in regards to the skids? I know I did. How many of us covered for them when they had to make CS and couldn't pay our at home bills until everything stabilized? I know I did.

Does that mean DH loves me only for my money?

No, because I have had times where I couldn't cover something and DH covered for me. We didn't keep a clear statement balance sheet because we're partners and over the long run it evens out. Some years I make more, some years DH makes more.

Everyone is acting like the wife doesn't pull her own weight because the way he is WORDING IT sounds like he pays for everything. What else has he been "paying for" that is actually he "pays for a portion but she covers the majority" of? They have a prenup which she agreed to (if she was really that money hungry, you think she'd agree to a prenup that would likely guarantee her nada or very little?)

This is why his vague explanations bug me. It's the "omit information or only give very little in order to win" tactic.

TwoOfUs's picture

Bingo!

Because people on this board don't read thoroughly or with much comprehension most of the time, the majority of posters jumped aboard the screeching "she's a leech and a harpy who's CLEARLY a leech using you and is a horrible, horrible person!" bandwagon from like...the first or second post.

Anyone (like me) who suggested people take a second look at the facts (ie she works full time, covers groceries and other household expenses, covers most of her kids' tuition...signed a pre-nup and saved for joint vacation) also gets called terrible names. Lol. Don't know if it's self-loathing or what but there's some crazy, knee-jerk SM hate and generalized misogyny on this board that I really don't understand. Apparently, suggesting that a woman could care about things other than money and advice that a poster try to better understand where his wife is coming from...makes me an awful person...

I also can't help but notice that his original few posts really had very little to do with money or how they split finances but were more about their personality conflicts and difficulties blending...which a lot of people on this site can 100% understand. Who here LOVES going on vacation with skids? Or having skids for 3 straight months?

But because 90% of commenters jumped on the money thing, made it 500x worse than it was originally presented...all subsequent posts have made this aspect a focus. So either this story is a fake and the troll is playing up the thing that pushed the most buttons...or it's real and we've just done Gunner and Gunner's marriage a huge disservice.

twoviewpoints's picture

Gunner is pretty good at giving very vague details. I bet , as with any divorced couple settling the end of a marriage, most of what his ex got was part of the divorce settlement. Who knows. Perhaps she got the house (and paid for) in place of some of his retirement.

The Sm has been married a mere two years. If SM divorces this guy she won't do near as well. The kids of SM are not Gunners.

Willow2010's picture

I bet MOST (not all) of the responses would be TOTALLY different if this was a SM that posted this blog.

Pretend a SM comes home and her husband left a note like that. Let say her husband told her that she has to pay for skids school, And she has to pay for all of his and skids bills. And that her kids are not welcome at the house but the skids are. LOL. Im thinking A LOT of the responses would NOT be telling the SM that she needs to check herself and that her husband has probably just had enough of her crap. lol

ChiefGrownup's picture

Willow, I was just thinking the same exact thing. If a sm said "he got on me about the backpacks so I pointed out his kids backpacks" there'd be a big chorus of "These guys are so blind/such double standards!"

I don't think anyone disagrees the money to the second house could be something they need to work through together. But everything else if you reverse the roles the poster would be welcomed and supported fulsomely.

TwoOfUs's picture

You can't make a statement like this and just pretend that gender dynamics and gender differences don't exist, especially in marriage.

I've never read any of the regular SMs on this site post anything nearly as one-sided and devoid of empathy as what Gunner has been posting...that plays a lot into how I am responding to him. Not only the content of what he's saying, specifically, but the tone and the way it's being written.

Let's say, actually, that a SM DID come on here and give us the other side of what Gunner has written about so far. My DH came home and said he wanted to talk about the issues I'm having, so I gave one example of something his kids do that bothers me...just as an example...and he instantly turned it around and made it about me and my kids and now I feel like crap! Or, I really just can't handle another vacation with DH's kids. Last vacation, they all hung out together and left me and my kids out of their little Pow Wow. DH decided where we would go, what we would do...or his kids did. They called all the shots...and then DH treated my kids like they were annoying the whole time. I really don't want to put them through that again.

What kind of advice would we give this woman?

TwoOfUs's picture

I'm a literature PhD. Plenty of men write with empathy and understanding of others' emotions.

My problem is not with how he writes. Writing = thinking. My problem is that he actually has no empathy or ability to place himself in another's shoes.

Willow2010's picture

But everything else if you reverse the roles the poster would be welcomed and supported fulsomely.
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YEP!

Willow2010's picture

What kind of advice would we give this woman?
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Not sure about the advice but I am almost positive she would not be told that all of the bad things her husband is doing, is because of her. Or that she NEEDS to change to make it better on her husband and her skids.

TwoOfUs's picture

No one here has said that at all. In contrast, from post one most commenters have been calling this unknown SM all kinds of vile names and assuming all sorts of evil motives on her behalf...and a few have taken a more measured approach and pointed out things he's doing to contribute to the situation.

I don't know which version of Steptalk you're on, but I get challenged and called on any BS all the time here...I get told how I'm contributing to the issues I'm having...which I appreciate.

I started responding to Gunner because he asked what he was missing or had possibly done wrong in a situation and, assuming his question was a genuine one, I tried to give him a different perspective. It soon became obvious he didn't want this perspective that he asked for and just wanted to be right. I see a lot of narcissism and controlling behavior in his posts. Like Sue, I've had experience with emotional abuse so maybe I see it more readily than others...and of course I empathize with and understand the SM's dilemma better than gunner's situation...but that doesn't mean the things I'm picking up on aren't there. In fact, I think if Gunner would be introspective for a bit and attempt an honest, vulnerable conversation with his wife, things might still go well between him and this woman he claims to love. But apparently that's not an acceptable response or idea to some...we should just assume the worst about this woman and continue to encourage him to blow it all up rather than try to learn and grow.

ChiefGrownup's picture

"You need to think smart and either date someone reasonable in your own league, or protect your assets if you're going to go for a model."

This is excellent advice. Sorry about your brother, Stepaside. Too many men think in terms of "winning" a beauty rather than developing a real connection with a woman.

There are so many lovely women around who have great character. Men get bitter when they fall for a gorgeous woman of marginal character and they extrapolate that to all women. I guess women do it, too, falling for bad boys then thinking they're all bad. Sigh. The human condition.

ChiefGrownup's picture

He's going to "teach" them. Oh, for pete's sake. Would he ever consider he may be able to learn something from a woman? Yeah, funny.

He's going to teach and she's going to take him for a ride.

Totally agree with you. Marked him like the big L on Laverne's sweater.

Your brother's got issues.

Thumper's picture

Gunner since you reported you make 200K wouldn't you agree your a pretty smart guy?

If I were you I would contact your old attorney and ask him about what YOU are going to have to shell out to Miss thing in alimony.

You've set a precedence by paying for her kids private school. THATS rather odd for you to do, my question is why didn't MOM and bio dad work that out? Rhetorical question.

Your current wife reminds me of someone I use to know. Jumping from one marriage to another for money using kids as pawns.

Get ready to pay dearly $$$$ or stick it out, play nice and have a fling or two. Draw up an air tight Will AND trust for your bio kids.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Can we just read the darn note. That would literally answer all of our speculating questions as to whether she's a money hungry ho or being wildly misunderstood.

My spidey senses were tingling because the way this entire saga is going down reeks of an NPD getting their kicks in painting this person he's supposed to love as super evil, because in every post he has glossed over exactly what she said and what her concerns actually were. That really bugs me. If she really is as horrible as he says, then my advice would be run, run, run. I will be THE FIRST to apologize that my feelings on this matter was wrong and that she is a disgusting human being that deserves to be left penniless and that Gunner has been terribly wronged.

But I want to see what she said, not what he believes she meant.

twoviewpoints's picture

Why stop there? Ask for the wording from the divorce decree on the parenting time and the paying of expenses other than the routine monthly CS payment. I'd like to see what it states for education/private school, extra curricular activities and college funding. Some of these types of things are CO'd on and above monthly CS.

Maxwell09's picture

Let her go. She's either bluffing and blackmailing you into giving her the life she wants or she really already wants to go on her own. If she's narrowed it down to just a short and sweet note then she could probably go either way. People who want to make things work don't give ultimatums, they TALK to their partners.

Maxwell09's picture

Dupe

Rags's picture

Ouch! Not a pleasant experience at all I suppose.

I think you have the right perspective. Stick to your guns. You may love your wire but.... no love is worth what she is mandating.

IMHO of course.

Good luck and take care of you.