What happens to weekend skids if your partner dies?
I ended my relationship whilst pregnant with my first child. My baby is now 4 months old but we were trying to make things work but it's constant arguing. My ex has two kids (17 & 7) with different BMs. They see him on weekends.
We broke up after 3.5yrs together one of the reasons is because he bought a house in an area I didn't want to live. It is too far away from all family and friends for my liking also too far for me to keep my current job. He also cannot afford for me to be a stay at home mum.
He didn't want to join the house deposit which would enable us to get somewhere closer to family and his kids. Nor did he want a joint mortgage because he wants his kids to fully inherit the house and I guess for me to have nothing.. The way I saw it is anything he put towards the house is his & mine is mine so if one of us dies or we split that's how the money gets divided. So his kids will not have any less if we joint together.. Or am I missing something??
On top of that he keeps saying that for us to get back together and get married in the future he needs to know that if something happens to him that I look out for his kids not just my own child. He is a weekend dad, so I'm really confused why he thinks I should continue that if he dies. Is that a thing?
Also he can never clarify what he means by "look out for them." He said its not financial and not physically so I don't know what other way it can mean. He is very good at fobbing me off and I feel he does it when he doesn't have the answer or knows he's being unreasonable. He then accuses me of twisting what he says.
I don't know, he makes me out to be selfish but I feel I'm being realistic. One of the BM is crazy and been violent towards me so I don't want anything to do with her. The other BM I don't know. On top of that unfortunately there is not a close relationship with my myself and his kids. We are cool but it's not love. My ex wants me to love his kids like a my own but I can't see the love ever matching that of my baby.
I told him as a single mother (if he died) he is being unfair to expect me to "look out" for his two other kids especially when they live with their mothers who have partners. So his children would get extra support from me but my baby just has me to rely on. That's unfair, no? Or am I being selfish?
He was put in care as a child so I guess some of his feelings come from that but that doesn't relate to this especially when his kids live with their's mothers. I just about know what's best for my 4 month old lol, so what does his 17 & 7yr old need from me that their mothers can't give?
He is very touchy when it comes to his kids and I don't feel comfortable being with him because of this but I just want to know if I'm being unreasonable for not wanting to take on his children on his behalf.
I wouldn't bother getting
I wouldn't bother getting back with this guy - he doesn't sound like much of a prize and he certainly doesn't prioritize your wants and needs.
To answer your question, though - I think it'd unreasonable of him to expect you to "look after" his kids after he dies, whatever that means. Legally, you would have no obligation to them, nor would you have any rights. If the BMs didn't want you anywhere near the kids, that's their prerogative. If my DH were to die while the skids are minors, I (and he) would expect them to live full time with their BM, and BM would not be sending them to me for DH's parenting time. That would be her choice as well as mine, so we're all on the same page there.
If he dies, it's up to the
If he dies, it's up to the mothers who they allow to be in their child's life. What a weird thing to request of someone.
He sounds charming
So he's providing little to nothing for your child together but focusing on giving his other kids everything of his estate?
Only in my humble opinion you should split your assets equally in half when it comes to inheritance, him divide his half by his 3 kids, and you give your half to whoever you wish, which I assume is your only child.
Why flog a dead horse? You
Why flog a dead horse? You argue all the time an he is only interested in what you can do for him and his kids. Is your child his?
Move on and enjoy a better life than you'd ever have with him.
Yea my child is his.
Yea my child is his.
I do feel it comes down to he thinks my family is "better off" than his BMs family but we are far from rich!
IT should have absolutely
IT should have absolutely nothing to do with your family, your child is his child too and, as such, is entitled to the same consideration as his other children. Did he intend to leave your child destitute?!
The problem with idiots is
The problem with idiots is that they cannot define a problem because they approach problems emitionally rather than logically and intellectually. He wants you to support his kids but not financially or phsycally? Really? Yep, he is an idiot.
Do yourself and your baby a favor and stay the hell away from this guy.
Why flog a dead horse? You
Dup
It sounds like he is talking
It sounds like he is talking about more of a mentor/emotional support if he doesn't mean for you to "watch out for them financially or physically". Maybe allow them to be part of your baby's life too?
However, I would let this man go. You may have not made the best life choice in having a child with him but that doesn't mean that you can't move on and find a better husband. Just be a fair and equitable "co-parent" and do you best to take yourself out of the equation and do what is best for your child when it comes to the relationship that he has with his father.
I think what this guy means is you look out for them as in guide
them through life as a role model, help them when the going gets tough etc even though he is being super vague about the specifics.
problem is, if these skids are disrespectful, unpleasant to be around and their bio mums are so hcgubm, you should not be expected to be anything in their lives if they willingly support and advocate crazy bio mum..
about 1.5 yrs ago my husband sat his 3 kids down (2 were 20.5 and 22.5) and told them that if their mum died (since she repeatedly claims she will any moment die from her imaginary illness), if hubby dies, they only have me and my kids (their half siblings) and same thing if hubby died before bio mum (which sd’s say bio mum abandoned them) then they only have me and them behaving disrespectfully and them hunning us and being so horrible does not make me want to be anything around them. Hubby told them that he appointed me to manage his estate, his retirement savings were willed to me and them behaving horribly towards us will never make us want to help them out when life gets tough... meaning they need financial help etc... they gave the lip service “I understand and hopefully we will do better”, well its been 19 months and nothing changed, no contact, no giving a shit about anyone else...
i do not intend to be around them or maintain any relationship, I don’t see my kids wanting the same as they are advocates fro hcgubm
Yep, hard to guide people
Yep, hard to guide people that don't want to be guilded. It is especially hard to guide them when BM doesn't want you around. SPs, ideally before even becoming SPs, need to remember that they literally have no legal rights to someone else's children. Now, you could say that is good or bad, depending. However, just remember, as a SP you can cook and clean and do your best for someone else's children, and then Little Timmy can go to the school counselor and talk about how you shook him once "really hard," counselor would tell mom and dad and call the police, and you could not only lose everything you had, but wind up doing 5-10 in the local "community center." Meanwhile, you may not even remember the "incident." No risk there at all.
You'd have to really, really love a man (or woman) or be desperate enough to risk that, and you'd have to be completely nuts to risk that when your spouse or SO isn't even around any more.
Exactly my concerns.
Exactly my concerns.
One of his BMs is a piece of work. Tbh one reason I'm not close with his youngest is because I'm scared that the slightest thing can be taken wrong or she'll get him to lie. The same way she's got him to say things to his dad on a voice note while she can be heard in the background whispering the words. Sad.
I totally understand that!
I totally understand that!
I have no problem with them being in my child's life but to me that isn't looking after/out them that has to be facilitated by their mothers or themselves when over 18.
At least yours partner supports you and has your back!
Whether or not you two decide
Whether or not you two decide to get back together, your job right now is to protect the rights of your child from their father. If you haven't already established child support, worked out visitation and responsibilities via court order, and established paternity, do it now. Your child is entitled to be taken care of by their father, and you do them no favors by not getting all that established.
Regarding you still have influence on his kids if he dies, he's delusional. That's not your job, even if you were his wife. Sure, if you were married, make sure they get their share of any estate owed them (along with making sure your own child is taken care of) and that they get any personal affects that you know their father would want them to have. But that's about it. Anything else goes way above and beyond and would be based SOLELY on the types of relationships you have with his individual children. No spouse should agree to his expectations.
You're being reasonable. Don't let him convince you otherwise.
Thank you your advice!
Thank you your advice!
Now I really do think he is not capable of being a husband. Just a weekend father..
I have a good relationship
I have a good relationship with my husband and my sd10. I have told my husband not to expect me to do or give sd anything after he dies. If he wants her to have something my husband needs to provide it for her legally in a will/insurance etc. I may choose to give sd something or continue a relationship with her but I will not have the expectation forced on me or be put into a position where I am expected to decide what is fair.
Yeah, if the BP dies and the
Yeah, if the BP dies and the other BP is living, that's pretty much it. Any involvement in the SK's life will be at the BP's and your own discretion.
When DH and I were talking about our estate plans, I had to explain that to him -- that if BM outlives him and SS is still a minor, I would have no rights or visitation or anything unless she and I wanted it. He seemed to think I would still get some kind of visitation.
I am designated as SS's guardian by DH should he and BM both die while SS is young, but as our lawyer explained, that's not binding. BM likely also has a will and I would imagine chose someone else, like her parents or brother. Ultimately, a judge would make the determination on who should be SS's guardian.
And bear in mind being a legal guardian also doesn't necessarily mean physical custody.
Yes this is what he is
Yes this is what he is failing to understand. Only last year I had to tell him that even as a wife I have no rights to even approve any treatment at the hospital if he was with me when injured or taken sick.
I'm a very practical and realistic person He is emotional and irrational which is why even with all these legal facts he still has this idea It seems ridiculous to want someone to agree to do something that is dependent on a third party who is not in agreement
Does it really matter whether
Does it really matter whether he understand the situation or not given that, if it occurs, he will no longer be around? If it does matter, then maybe having a lawyer explain family right to him (including his idea that his kids get everything)?
He wants me to say I will do
He wants me to say I will do xyz and I guess he will be "assessing" my actions. Tbh I really don't need or want to be put on trial to marry man who has no concern for me. He claims I was acting entitled when I said I should have a say on the house location as its a family home for us and the baby but yet he thinks his children are entitled to something from me..
He's studying law, has friends who are lawyers & still is ignorant. He doesn't care about the law he wants what he wants.
I would be very careful and
I would be very careful and wary moving forward. What you're describing sounds like trademark narcissism. He's dismissing your concerns and feelings now -- that won't get better. He's also testing you and that's not the sign of a healthy, mature person or relationship.
Please tell me that you have
Please tell me that you have walked away from this ridiculous situation and that you will never look back.
Yes it's really not worth it!
Yes it's really not worth it!
When a step Childs bio parent
When a step Childs bio parent passes away---the step parent and now deceased parents child, relationship is technically not there.
Whether or not you stay in contact with your deceased husbands kids is up to you. YOU have to ask yourself, do I want my bio's involved with my deceased husbands kids OR not. Do I want to be involved?
Don't promise anything in that capacity to anyone. Gosh what IF his kids take a turn down criminal road do you want YOUR kids near that? I would think not.
From what I am reading from other posters here on this thread...this guy sounds like a doozy. "he will be assessing your acitons"...hahaha such a powerful man.
Your DH is not in the real world
You have no legal rights to SK. The BM will be in control of SK. You can not go to court and get any type of visitation with SK. And why would you want to pay for SK care ? Is DH going to leave you tons of money to play this game. ?
You have a DH problem. A big one. He's not in the real world.
To answer your headline
To answer your headline question from your origninal post.... a visitation schedule ends when a kid ages out from under the CO or... the NCP parent dies.
If something happens to your SO, there is no more visitation schedule for either his prior failed family kids... or the one you have with him.
It's a matter of choice... conditions and unconditional...
First let's define "look out?" what does he mean by that? Financial support? or just inviting them for Christmas if they have nowhere to go? or continuing some form of relationship with them.
Most of us come here to this site because we have bad relationships with either the Step kids or issues because of BM or our DH's lack of control of these situations, or all of the above. Not all relationships are like that and some blended families stay blended after divorce or death. Some of these families have been blended for 20 plus years and develop a relationship.
Personally I expect my husband to continue a relationship with my son if I die first. He has a good one with him now. While I don’t have a good relationship with my step-children I would look out for them per my husband’s request because I love my husband. BUT here’s what that “looking out for” looks like… It is NOT unconditional meaning that if they get nasty with me over his wishes or will or possessions or bring BM around to cause issue now we are talking about something else. I would not continue any relationship with them. If there were no issues sure I would and I would make sure they had a place to go for holidays and if they ever needed something I could provide I definitely would out of love and respect for my husband and what he wanted.
In your case I think this particular issue is the least of the problems here. It sounds to me like he has made many demands on changes YOU need to make when in reality he is the one that needs to take a good look at himself. I wouldn’t be looking to reunite with this man anytime soon or ever. It sounds like you dodged a bullet on this one and I would be moving on with my life.
First off, you have no legal
First off, you have no legal rights to the skids after your DH passes away. Does he understand this? If the BMs don't want you around, they will not have you around. I suspect that you would have to petition the courts even if you wanted your child to have access to the half-siblings/skids.
It sounds though like he's coming from an emotional perspective and like you say, probably stems from his own childhood. I'd probably explore this more with him as he is misplacing his own needs onto the needs of his children and demanding a certain behaviour from all around him after he's gone. Seems unrealistic.