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Reecola's picture

Hello!

Im a first time almost step mom(33F) and bio mom to a firecracker toddler(2F). My fiance (36M) has one child(10F) from a previous relationship which the BM split when SD was 3. SD is with mom during week. My fiance and I have been together for a little over a year and have been living together for about 4 months. We have SD every weekend and most school breaks, he says it's 50/50 but in reality we have her more often as SD constantly wants to stay with us an extra day or so.(Fiance and BM let the kid decide where she wants to be. Aside from Fridays and Saturdays, SD chooses to either go to mom's or stay with us. Another thing that annoys me). 

I knew before we moved in together they were very close and fiance was struggling with the fact that SD was entering puberty and growing up. They would often sleep in the same bed before he moved into my house and tickle fight in the mornings. They would hold hands in parking lots and hug multiple times at family events. I honestly thought it was sweet how close they were/are!

Once they moved in reality of the situation hit and I began to see things in a completely different light.. They will snuggle on the couch for hours, SD heads on his lap/chest/nook area and his arms wrapped around her, he would often stroke her back underneath her shirt. SD sometimes will flat out ask "Daddy come snuggle with me in bed" at night or ask him to sleep with her(this thank god stopped). She will often touch all over him and sit in his lap. She is 5ft tall. Growing breasts, in a training bra. Clearly in the middle of puberty, she just started getting cramps. It makes me uncomfortable he would show physical affection to his 10YO daughter the exact same way he shows it to me, his tomantic partner. When i straddle him and snuggle, 9/10 we end up having sex!

When we are all out together in public, SD and him hold hands fingers laced. They will often be either ahead or behind me, holding hands while she speaks low into his ear and giggles. She also will HANG on his arm and snuggle into his arm, wrapping her arms around him and staring up into his face. 

She does 0 chores. Daddy brushes her hair, cleans her room, does her laundry and up until recently was still cutting up her food and buttering her bread. This girl does absolutely nothing and I mean NOTHING. If she's thirsty in her room, rather than get up and get something she will yell across the house "DADDY" until he goes and tends to her. 

She is jealous of me and my toddler. My daughters bio dad is completely out of the picture and has been since she was only 6 months old, so we have her 100% of the time. My fiance has taken up the role as her dad and is so amazing with her.. She adores him and the feeling is mutual! But SD will intentionally do things to get my toddler in trouble, then lie about it. Ex. Last weekend SD threw her tablet and then said loudly "Thanks, (Bio Name)" and when I asked what happened SD said my kiddo threw her tablet. I was actually watching the entire situation and my kid didn't do anything she was just sitting on the opposite side of the couch. I told fiance about it and he addressed it.

SD is mostly a sweet and nice girl but her need to be the center of attention, lack of maturity and clingy behavior with dad is really annoying.. She will interrupt me and my fiance all the time for no reason. She will blatantly ignore me when i ask her questions, even if I make eye contact. My fiance is starting to see the behavior thank god but we have a long way to go. Especially with the physical affection, which my fiance sees nothing wrong with. 

I told him "When you're scratching her back, do you scratch under or over her bra?" And that made him pause and think. The other day he was in his boxers and she was straddling him on the couch tickling his ear/neck. I don't think anything sexual is going on but there are NO boundaries. At her age i find it extremely inappropriate. It's at the point I won't even be in the living room while they are there. He never shows me affection other than a quick hug/kiss when someone gets home in front of her. I don't think she's ever seen us snuggle. And when shes gone we are very affectionate, but when she gets here I feel like I'm demoted. Whenever we fight, he will hide out with SD in her room. It has always weirded me out.. Like he is getting some emotional needs met by his daughter VS an appropriate adult.

He recently told her he would take her to the beach for her birthday. Which... wtf? We are not in a financial situation to do that and the way he said "I told her *I* would take her to the beach" upset me. It's still him and his little girl are priority, then it's me and my kiddo. Her WANTS seem to come first. I am starting to feel like he isn't ready to get married because he doesn't have room for an adult wife, he already has a mini one. He consults her about adult decisions and she basically pretends I am not there 90% of the time. I ignore it. I was a preteen SD when I was her age, I get it. I was also enmeshed with my single father, so I see the signs. My dad leaned on me for emptional support and had me cooking/cleaning by the time I was 12. I matured extremely fast. Situation with my fiance is feeling like enmeshment, but instead of maturing fast it seems like he is holding her back and seeking out the spouse role with physical affection and emotional needs. Like an unhealthy codependency.

If I am going to marry this man, princess needs to be demoted and he needs to start treating me like a wife. She needs to understand the difference in her role VS my role in his life and act appropriately within her role as daughter. 

Am I crazy!? How do I explain this to him!? We have discussed it and he agreed our marriage comes first, then kids. Our wants come before the wants of the kids. He says he understands but continues to do things that put her wants first..

 

notsurehowtodeal's picture

When a man is in his boxers and a 10 year old girl who wears a bra is straddling him, there is something sexual going on - whether either one of them wants to admit it or not. All of this kind of behavior needs to stop immediately. Please look up "mini wife" - because that is what is happening in their relationship. Your SO is the one who should be teaching his daughter appropriate behavior, and he is failing miserably.

I realize it is too late now, but you moved in with him way too soon in the relationship. It doesn't sound like he is willing to really hear what you are trying to tell him, so some couples counseling might be helpful. Maybe he needs to hear from a third party about how damaging his parenting style is to his daughter. None of this is her fault, as he is the one who has created this situation.

And you are right, he is getting his emotional needs met from his daughter, not you. He could probably use some individual counseling as well. Since you have first hand experience with this dynamic you are able to clearly see it - which should be helpful.

One thing you might try is filmng their inapropriate physical interactions - if he sees it from someone elses viewpoint, it might help him understand how wrong it is.

You have a long road ahead if you decide to stay in this relationship. Please make sure you are using good birth control, you don't want to end up tied down to this guy if you decide this isn't going to work out.

 

Reecola's picture

Thank you! To be fair, she was sitting more on his knees VS his LAP. She was fully clothed, she wasn't just in a bra! I was saying she wears training bras at this point for context of her development. Just wanted to make sure that was clarified. After I walked by she moved, but still. IMO that should not be allowed, not even for one second. There isn't any SA or anything like that. At all.

My dad stopped letting me sit in his lap/snuggle into his chest when I was around 6 and I didn't want to hold his hand while out and about once I hit around 7/8. SD is very affectionate and my SO says he knows as she gets older she wont want physical affection so he is trying to get it in while she still wants to snuggle.

I have talked to my SO about their level of physical affection and he gets defensive, but has made some progress.. Or, actually, he just sits on the recliner now when we are all in the living room together so no one can snuggle with him. SO says I'm gross for sexualizing their affection and I didn't get enough affection from my parents growing up which is a 'me' problem. But honestly I don't see anything overtly sexual between them. It isn't like that. It's a massive lack of boundaries. IMO, as kids enter puberty touch begins to feel different and as parents it's our job to establish boundaries around physical touch and explain the differences between romantic love between two consenting adults and the love between a parent and child. It's important for daughters to know their role in the heirarchy of the family and I feel like SD doesn't because SO isn't teaching her.

But he seems to take the "I show her how she should be treated by a boyfriend" thing to another level. Idk. I tried to tell him he treats her like a girlfriend sometimes and he got very upset at me and said I was 'sick' for even thinking like that. I don't know how to explain things to him.. I have a counselor and she works with couples so maybe I will ask him if he would be willing to come with me for a session or two. He says I'm just jealous of her. Which is not the case. It isn't a jealousy thing it's a respect, boundary and appropriate VS inappropriate thing. 

 

notsurehowtodeal's picture

I knew she wasn't just wearing a bra, sorry for the way I worded it. I meant she was developed enough to be wearing one under her clothes. Just to reinforce what you already know - you are not the "gross" one here, and you are not inapropriately sexualizing behaviors. He is mimicing sexual behaviors with his daughter, whether he wants to admit it or not. Granny's advice was great, he needs to hear it from a third party. You seem to have a real understanding on what is going on here, which will work to your advantage. Don't let him doubt yourself for a second!

grannyd's picture

Reecola, I suffered the same problem with my DH and his daughter.  When DH married his first wife, they moved 200 miles to the town where my DH was hired as a high school principal. DH and I met when he was visiting his mother, who lived a short distance from my residence. We maintained a 5 year, long-distance relationship before I moved in with him.

When DH, his son and daughter were staying with his mom for a weekend, I was always invited for dinner. Mom/Nana was a kind-hearted, wise and welcoming woman whom I came to love.  She often spoke sharply to her granddaughter for ‘hanging all over her dad’, and would tell the girl to ‘let him breathe!’ At that time, my SD would have been about 11 or 12 years old. Because she was infantilized by her father, she was very immature.

When we married, I left my high-paying job, my house and my family to move into DH’s home. Blinded by love, I did not give a thought to the mini-wife behaviour of my SD. My DH is a sensible, pragmatic guy and, when I explained how inappropriately he was behaving with his newly teen DD, he immediately curbed the overt demonstrations. His DD, suspecting that I was the cause of her father’s adjusted manner, waged a war against me that nearly resulted in the end of my marriage.

Because my DH was determined to make our relationship survive, he arranged therapy with a psychologist who was familiar with ‘blended families’ and their challenges. Our sessions were eye-opening for DH, to say the least. The therapist explained to DH that he’d been infantilizing his daughter by cutting up her meat at the dinner table, fetching and carrying for her and refusing to assign any chores, not even expecting her to pick up after herself.

Hon, I truly believe that fathers who are enmeshed with their daughters become so defensive to criticism that a third, objective party becomes necessary. I strongly suggest that you do a little research in order to find a therapist who is well versed in the complications involved in blended families and make an appointment! My DH and I have been very happily married for almost 40 years but I don’t think that we would have made it without the help of our therapist. Love does NOT conquer all!

notarelative's picture

We are not in a financial situation to do that 

You do not have to have joint finances. Time to figure out an equitable divide of joint expenses. You pay for your child's needs. He pays for his. The beach trip is his responsibility. 

Evil4's picture

Oh My God!!!! I don't even know where to start. I've talked about my traumatizing experience with my DH and mini-wife on steroids many times.

You have an SO problem. Your SO is gaslighting you when he throws your past as a child who didn't get enough affection in your face. You are being gaslighted when your SO gets irate and claims that you're the one in the wrong for sexualizing your SO and SD's relationship.

The prognosis for an enmeshed dad and DD is slim to none. These dads often fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo. My DH actually sabotaged every sign of evolvement because years later I learned that he "just couldn't afford to heal." 

After being diagnosed with trauma twice I was done. I had an epic nuclear meltdown. It improved for a while but DH regularly had "slip-ups," until I just couldn't take any more. I totally withdrew and planned my escape plan. DH must have picked up on it because he put himself into therapy while I went for my own and we went for marriage counseling. It took intense therapy and a while to change things. My SD is 35 years old and the stories I could tell you that she's done and still tries to do to be DH's every thought is unreal. It never ends but it's up to DH to put our marriage first. 

It's really not worth it. Run like hell. It's nothing less than soul destroying. I was litterally diagnosed with trauma. Run fast and run far.