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Lemonygirl's picture

Been married 15 yrs, skids are 25 and 22. Bios are 19 and 22.
It was so much harder than I ever imagined and now that we are at the end of the hard part, I think I am suffering from sort of ptsd from it all. Or, I am not doing a good job of just letting it all go.
The steps were treated like golden children, allowed to treat me like crap, given no boundaries when here etc.. DH was incapable of parenting because we were long distance. I was in turn stolen from, called a fat ass ( I am not) and my DH did a terrible job of putting me first and protecting me. He took their side when they were caught lying and nearly destroyed me.
I am totally disengaged from sd who is a terrible person and a whole post on her own.
We are just about empty nesters, we do love each other. But I am wondering if I need counseling or something to get past all of this. I literally sleep on the couch every night because I just like being alone. I dwell a lot on the ridiculous things that went down but know that isn't healthy. Has anyone else been through a phase like this after all the upheaval of blended family drama settled down? Would appreciate all advice.

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

Short answer is YES. You need someone to speak to about how you feel and you both might need to go to someone together.

tankh21's picture

I will admit I have a problem dwelling on things as well sometimes especially when it comes to the things BM does or the skids behavior. It really does take a toll on you after while and I haven't even been in my marriage that long. I have been married to my DH a year this Friday. The best advice I got on here was to not let people that are manipulators, have horrible souls or no regard for anyone's else's feelings is to just ignore them and move on because you are giving them too much personal space in your head when they do not think about YOU at all or your feelings. I think that was the best advice I got from other posters when I am dwelling on things and letting BM or my skids and the things that they do bother me so much that it interferes in my life.

Rags's picture

I think that what you are experiencing is a fairly typical element of the coping cycle. Once we had pummeled the SpermClan into submission it took me quite a while to decompress and align with the less abrasive mid point of our blended family adventure. I experienced a second phase of that process once SS aged out from under the CO. I had remained poised to address SpermClan toxicity for so long that it took me a bit of time to reset to the new paradigm once they were no longer in the picture or capable of being a detriment to my Skid's best interests.

Give it some time. You will reset and be able to function well in the lower stress situation in your blended family dynamic.

ESMOD's picture

I think you should definitely start with counseling for yourself to see if you can develop some coping skills and to learn to not dwell on things. (aka crying over spilled milk).

It sounds like you have a lot of resentment towards your husband because you didn't get his support. After you have had some time to figure out things on your own, working with a couples therapist might be helpful.

Unfortunately even though the kids are technically adults doesn't mean that they won't have the ability to re-impact your lives. So, it's important to learn how you and he can set boundaries.

sandye21's picture

It DOES seem like after handling the rejection and abuse for so long we suffer from PTSD. It seems like that for me too. If you have disengaged from the skids it is going to better for you. The REAL problem is that you have not disengaged from your DH. The betrayal is harder to deal with when you see him every day and know he did not have the courage to do his job as a loving husband. Usually DHs learn a lot when you simply disengage, you don't discuss the skids with him (change the subject), let him handle birthdays and other occasions, and let him deal with them. When you are out of the equation for a while DH and the skids will have nothing left but to deal with the issues that were there before you got married, but were not addressed.

Yes, I would see a counselor. I did and it really helped me when I was beginning the disengagement process. A plus side was that I gained enough self confidence to set boundaries with both SD and DH. It also gave me the courage to stand up for myself instead of depending on DH to do it. When I started defending myself DH would still not support me, actually walking out of a restaurant when a waiter yelled at me because after an hour of waiting I calmly asked where our orders were. I finally had to inform DH that I will defend myself if I need to but he is to have my back if and when I do or stay silent. It took years to be able to trust DH again - I just had to stand firm with my boundaries.

hurtingbad.13's picture

You are not alone. Been thinking a lot about things from the past recently stirred up by other happenings. It is just who we are. I know I also need to not do it but tell that to my heart. You probably just need some re-group time.

Lemonygirl's picture

Thank you so much for your replies. This has all come as such a surprise to me. DH has apologized for not standing up for me like he should have but I definitely have not let go of that betrayal. I will admit that I am hard to forgive and get over things when I feel like someone deliberately set out to hurt me. It's a trait I freely admit. I have never been to counseling before so that's a little scary. Some days are better than others . Sd had a baby 6 months ago with a random and is essentially homeless and on government assistance. We spent thousands trying tot get her through 3 different schools and she flunked out and got into legal trouble and lied about everything. DH just drove to meet this baby for the first time this week so that may be dredging a lot up. I am totally disengaged so he didn't expect me to go of course. So anyways, thank you for your responses.

Lemonygirl's picture

Heavenlike, good question... my bios were always treated like 2nd best but yet my son is taking his entrance exams to law and med school this summer, he is very high achieving. My dh says he doesn't love him, only that he cares about him, hurting me deeply. My 2nd is in her 2nd year at university. His son enlisted after floundering around a few yrs and I described his daughter above. Perhaps I am more hurt and angry at him than I am willing to admin to myself.

peacemaker's picture

Wow...a I read your inquiry, It brings back soooo much of what I experienced. I came to a crashing point in my step journey, 25 years into the marriage, ( three step adults 39,41 and 44) when bm died about 5 years ago. Only then did I realize how much I needed to disengage from all the madness...their culture, their way of doing things, always ending up on the bottom. There is a real consequence to being on the receiving end of all the drama for such a consistent and long period of time. It is called complex trauma. It is real. (Google it).. It is similar to ptsd, only instead of being exposed to an acute trauma resulting in ptsd, we have been altered by the constant bashing of our personhood for the extent of our step mom existence.

Add a continued wave of bullying and pas'ing by a bitter bm, combined with emotional, mental, and psychological abuse coming from their camp in waves of aggression...and bingo!....there you have it. An unhealthy co-dependence on abusive people that you can't break free from because it will cost you everything...only to realize "everything" is nothing but harm to your personhood.

Even when my dh failed miserably to challenge all the unacceptable behaviors coming from their camp..I stood up for myself and fought for myself. Only to find myself alone...and oftentimes, seeing dh launching his own form of relational aggression every now and then. I would definitely get some counseling if I were you...Don't be too hard on yourself for being effected by their ill treatment. It took me 5 years of disengagement and I am still learning the art of relationships...when to have one and when to walk away, the skill set of interpersonal communication, and the ability to respect the person God made me to be. How to individualize relationships was a great help, and holding dh accountable for his inability to man-up to his offspring has been paramount.

I still struggle and overcompensate my safe zone when osd's name is even mentioned. She is not safe. end of discussion. Her abuse has effected me at a deep level. Unfortunately, for my dh, that is just where I am at night now, and if he would have done his part in the beginning, things would not be as they are... Now he gets to live with the result. I do not waste my time dwelling about her much anymore though...and that will be a challenge...re-claiming the real estate of your thought processes back from being held captive for such a long time...renew your thinking to entertain your future and your destiny that awaits you.Not allowing the past to become a ball-and-chain that prevents you from showing up for a marvelous future that is waiting for your presence....Not allowing them to steal one more moment of your happiness...you owe it to yourself...the sooner you can exchange the bad thinking for the good...the better off you will be.

The 360 degree shift in thinking is what I found to be the most pleasant. When it hits you, you will know what I mean. When you realize "no one has the right to speak into your personhood less than who God says that you are"... no one. and then the beautiful transformation that occurred when "I woke up one day and realized...I get to choose." I can see the result of bitterness and hatred passed down to the next generation and what that looks like from an inside perspective. Healthy boundaries are an absolute necessity, and being able to self reflect to a level that not only questions what you do...but why you do what you do...I was taken back by how far reaching their ill treatment of me and my family, invaded the space in my soul.

Once I was set free from the overwhelming experience I had suffered...I vowed to myself that I would never go back to being treated like that again...not even on a small scale. If you do not have grandkids with them yet...brace yourself...nothing is sacred to them. Ours were used as weapons to inflict harm on my dh and I. using them to emotionally and psychologically hurt us was the last straw for me. It's what they have been taught...it is what they know...but that is no excuse. Now their children have a huge void in their own lives because dh and I didn't go through the joy of being grandparents with them...we didn't bond with their children. Osd has one graduating this year and after years of pas'ing him from us to please her mother,, we get an invitation in the mail to come to his graduation party? Now it just feels awkward at best. We won't be going, but we might send a card to his biological father's address to let him know we care (totally avoiding osd altogether)...after all, it isn't the grandkids fault, and he shouldn't have to feel rejected because of his mother's choices.

Such is the step-life...so filled with mine-field's and secret traps, all stemmed from an unresolved past just waiting for an innocent passer-by'er to come within striking distance...Even though dh and I are still married...I have decided to design my own route to take on the rest of this journey called life...Peace.

StepUltimate's picture

Beautiful post, thank you. I'm in year 5 of being the SM, very much PTSD
(and Current Tramatic SD!) and I grew up in a very Complex Trauma situ (I did google this new term, thank you!) and thanks to BM, so did SS17 for his 1st 12 years. I am "white knuckling" it and focused on detaching and switching from chronic stress of living with the crap that brings us all to this forum. I appreciate this site very much, and am grateful for all the sanity, wisdom & experience of those like you who have "been there, done that." Also love your name, Peacemaker, because that was my role growing up; the Peacemaker who tried to protect mom & younger siblings from my raging alcoholic dad. I have done extensive counseling & working thru my own issues during my 20's & 30's, but being a SM has put me in a whole new level of stress and into a situation I'd vowed to never find myself in again: where I dread going home & dread being lied to and used by a manipulative addict (SS17 has a pot addiction & may be doing other drugs too) who I live with. I hate it (even though I tried to help SS17 & do love him) and it's toxic because I resent SS bringing his BM's lifestyle (liar, lazy, entitled) into the home I offered as an escape from BM's lies, lazy filthiness, and entitled con-artistry!

still learning's picture

Counseling helps, even if you just go on your own. I tried to get DH to go with me but he refused so I went anyway. We were at a breaking point where ss32 was wedged in our relationship and just about broke us apart. Everything was about ss. If I blinked wrong in his presence I was accused of hating him. I knew things had to change or DH would have to go and take his rotten entitled son w/him. I immediately started setting boundaries w/DH and ss and also disengaged. "DH, you get to deal 100% w/YOUR son. I am out. Not a part of the equation between the two of you at all."

In hindsight I'm glad DH didn't go to counseling because it made it about me instead of us. I began to put myself first and DH could respect that or beat feet w/ss32 on his teat.

Kes's picture

Lemonygirl - I am in a much similar situation - my SDs are now 22 and 20. I have older bios. My DH has also apologised for allowing my SDs to treat me badly - and going forward I don't think he would ever allow it again - neither would I, come to that - I am more in touch with my anger and much more able to be assertive nowadays.

However there is a lot of anger in me about that decade when I got treated like s**t. I find it hard to put it behind me. For me, I don't think counselling would help.

Lemonygirl's picture

Thanks kes I am learning more and more that so many of us are here, sitting with this stuff. The total disengagement has helped me to at least feel like I am taking better care of me in all of this as I do not trust my DH to do that any longer. I think I have to mourn that a little while. This site has helped so much

Lemonygirl's picture

I made a therapy appointment for me today. Very nervous but hopeful. DH doesn't know yet, he's out of town on business and visiting sd who I can't deal with at this time, and her new baby. Don't even know if I will tell him.

CANYOUHELP's picture

You are definitely not alone.... And, I am not certain I will ever fully master getting over the resentment, but it does improve...You realize YOU are in control of YOU now..nobody else....YOU are your own solution, only you can solve your problem.

I do recall the same feelings you have described, and...like I said, there are still a few moments/occassions now that my thoughts go back to the dark side of my life. That is when I have to redirect myself to something more positive and reach out to friends on ST, thus, reducing my long term stress. There were times I could hardly look at my husband, for thinking what a pathetic coward he morphed into around his adult abusers- their aim was BOTH of us; it sickened/sickens me. He just sits there, and always will... It is embarrassing to be at the same location with self centered, rude people like this--so why would I do it-- just because I was married to a man, even worse, a man who fully permits their rude, crude, exclusionary behavior. A man who likes to be called daddeeeee....but, has no idea how to be one... these adults reflect his parenting style. Since excluding me was their goal, you would think they would be happier...They did me the greatest favor, I have good reason to disengage and they ALL know it, including my DH.

What I have now is so much better, Id say 90% peace..if I do not let the negative thoughts enter my mind. I do not have to EVER be around them again, and he does not force me at all either. He knows what the are, but still does nothing...I will never understand it, but iI have come to accept it. Not my circus and not my monkeys....

He has his life with them and his life with me and the two lives will never go together now... DH still does not take any of the blame, blaming both the sadults and me.. So very sad, nonetheless.

My happiness lies within me and my exclusion of them physically in my life --but also in my mind. It does improve slowly over time. Good luck...

ldvilen's picture

There is something both interesting and off-putting about these adult SKs suddenly wanting all to be forgiven and to break bread together. You could argue that now that they are more mature, they realize the error of their ways, but I'm not so sure and actually rather doubt it. So, what is their motivation? I think it has more to do with them finally realizing that their relationship with their father is gonna be in the tank now because of how they treated his wife. I really don't think it has to do with mending fences and wanting some kind of relationship with SM, as much as it has to do with them wanting better access to dad.

I think when the SKs are younger, they do have the advantage because they are children and, let's face it, a dad is usually always going to make excuses for this children no matter what they do. If dad is more of a minion than a dad, then kids can really play this up to the max., and the cycle continues. But, when the SKs become adults, suddenly this doesn't work so well. Dad is with his wife/SM 24-7. SM may start coming to fewer events with dad, if at all, and if dad comes alone, he is only there for about an hour or two. (Hard for dad to be there without his protective buffer.) I don't think what clicks in most SKs' minds is, "Gee, maybe we weren't that nice to SM and we'd really like her and dad to come more often." I think what clicks in their minds is, "Gee, I want to see my dad, but he won't come without what's-her-name, so maybe we have to at least pretend to make amends and maybe we'll get to see dad more often."

There is that saying that a leopard cannot change it spots. It is rare for a true adult to change that much, as to go from antagonizing someone to welcoming them with open arms. I know for any non-steps reading this, they'd think, "Oh, of course you should let bygones be bygones and give them another chance. After all, these are DH's kids." But, very few, unless they have experienced themselves, know how deep the knife of making-sacrifices-and-getting-treated-like-shiatsu-in-return, for years and years, can cut. It is one thing for children to do this, but adults!? No.

It is 100% up to SM and SM alone if she wants to give it another go or try, and if she doesn't, she doesn't owe anyone an explanation. Like someone said above, "If he [DH] would have done his part in the beginning, things would not be as they are. Now he [and everyone else] gets to live with the result." Adult SKs that rode on the we-can-take-all-of-our-angst-out-on-SM-with-no-repurcussions train for years and years, and find that suddenly dad is hanging out more and more with SM and less than them, and it is now clicking in their minds that if they want to see daddy more, they have to start treating SM better, personally, I wouldn't go for it. SKs would really have to own up to it and come to me and acknowledge the error of their ways FIRST before I'd even think about it. And that would be just to think about it.

After all the H- I've gone thru, the last thing I would want is some fakey relationship with them that is all based on them wanting more access (more control) to their father than owning up to anything they have done to me or the rest of my family--they were affected by this too; not just me. But, I admit, some people are more forgiving than I am.

SacrificialLamb's picture

How does your DH know they have changed? Furthermore, how does he know that all three SDs + MIL have changed? All 4 had a miraculous religious conversion at once? They all Skyped and said "ok lets come up with a new game....this one we have played for the last two decades has gotten kind of boring."

My DH has done the same thing: "I think OSD will treat you with respect. No, I have no evidence that she is changed, I just think she will treat you with respect, because I remember she did sometimes. I defend you when she complains about you (see? I am just saying that so you know I am a big man and will defend you. Ooops!!!! I didn't mean that OSD was talking about you. It's been a long time since she did that. But if she did, I would defend you).

We have actually had that conversation. Not convincing to me, and very self-serving for him. These guys never give up on the dream of their Happy Family. Sitting on their throne with all their adoring women gathered around them. King of Fantasy Land.

sandye21's picture

"--- he claims they may have made some progress. He said he still defends me when they bitch about me. Meaning, they are still bitching about me, lol. No change!" Talk about a double message!!! The two just DO NOT gel with each other. Quite frankly, I would be insulted if my DH said this to me - it would be an insult to my intelligence.

In fact, I HAVE gone through this. About 6 years into our marriage I disengaged from SD because she had been slamming doors in my face, actually being physically abusive, and treating me like dog doo. After a few years DH promised me that SD was going to be nice. Mind you, SD had not approached me and promised to be nice. I really tried to make it work, bowing over backwards for SD's acceptance and approval. The problem was I was invested in promoting a good relationship, and DH wanted it (without actually doing anything to maintain it), but the only thing SD was invested in was her entitlement. 'Nice' lasted a very short while before I was reliving 'stephell' as usual.

The second time I disengaged I did a better job, went to counseling, became wise, set reasonable but firm boundaries with both DH and SD. If today, DH told me that SD was ready to be nice, acknowledge my existence and extend the olive branch, but he was still defending me for all of the nasty things she was saying about me I would look him square in the eye, laugh and say, "Dream on!" Then I would tell him that SD must convince me, on her own, that she is serious. Since I know this would not be possible or realistic, the subject would be placed in the 'insufficient evidence' file, and dropped.

momjkm's picture

Step aside-
I can relate to you closing the door on your situation. I came into my new marriage where DH had 2 adult sons, I tried to treat them like my own kids. Nothing has ever been reciprocal. I get treated mostly as I don't even exist. And more recently given the cold shoulder from their wives. My DH refuses to see anything wrong other than I am a trouble maker. He comes from a family that sweeps EVERYTHING under the carpet and deal with nothing. So I put the brakes on everything, no matter what. Don't care what anyone thinks or feels. I don't deserve that treatment so I will stick up for myself.

SacrificialLamb's picture

You and I are in the same place.

My OSD is in her 40's. She is not going to change as a person. From what I hear, she has always used the cycle of manipulate/punish to get what she wants. She may wake up and realize her actions are causing her to see her dad less. But there will be no good will extended to me. She will change her tactic only. She would need a massive shift in her outlook and personality for me to consider being around her again. Not just because I don't trust her behavior around me, but people like her - adults who are entitled victims - aren't likable or enjoyable to begin with. I am done with spending time around DHs kids just because they are his kids. They are middle aged adults and they are all capable of visiting each other on their own. I would rather stay home and scoop cat litter than watch OSD's histrionic behavior.

pinkb's picture

Hi All,

I'm pretty confident now in saying that things rarely get better with the steps. And, when they do they are in such ridiculously small increments that it is barely worth acknowledging. Disengaging (though I'm really only 80% of the way there) is the only thing that has kept me sane.

Having paid for food, clothing, car, car insurance, college and and and. $hit, I got the kid a job this summer when his "sure thing" job fell through. The thanks I have gotten from the kid (NONE) and from Dad ("Well, now he knows what he DOESN'T want to do when he grows up") has been laughable.

Wake up, Daddy Darling, SS21 doesn't want to do ANYTHING that isn't *fun*. He's working more than 10-12 hours per week (including vacations) for the first time in his life. You know what? My job isn't fun all the time either (who's is?), I can quit my job that pays 2/3 of our household bills, allows you to drive a Lexus and vacation at the place *we* own at the beach. Oh, and pay SS's college tuition. Why? Because my job isn't *fun*. Give me a break.

If I hear one more time "someday he'll come around and realize all the fantastic things you did for him" (instead of calling his Dad Pu$$y-Whipped or calling me a B!tch to my face) one more time I swear I could spit wooden nickels. But, Darling Disney Daddy is just now at kid's 22nd year on this planet thinking about discontinuing paying his bills for him, despite the fact at almost 50yo he has roughly $100 for his own retirement.

When I'm ready to retire I'm sure I can find a nice golf pro- or surfer to vacation overseas with me... Smile

Granted, a little pi$$y today as the spoiled adult brat was supposed to have his funds discontinued at the end of June. July 3rd his bills got paid again. It was not a fun night at our house last night.

sandye21's picture

Can't blame you for being Pi$$y Pink. It's bad enough trying to put past 'experiences' behind us. And just when you think you are ready to move on into a more positive chapter in your life DH drops a bomb. I went through this for years but thankfully after a long, long learning curve, the light went on. Please keep your boundaries in place, think and do what is the best for you, separate accounts, and let DH live with the consequences of his actions. Good luck and (((HUGS)))