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DH and BM going to counselling together???

live.fate's picture

Has anyone heard of ex's who are divorced and have been for some time going into counselling together? Is this normal? My DH is pushing BM to go into counselling so they can have a better co-parenting relationship as they are high conflict. I feel very uncomfortable with it, but I will be supportive if this is a normal thing people do and have found it helpful.

luchay's picture

This.

SS10 has been seeing a counsellor for a few months for his "issues"

The counsellor has identified that BM and OH have a high conflict r/s and wants to sit them down in a room together and discuss how they need to work together and stop putting the kids in the middle (to be fair to OH that is mainly BM but he does it a bit too)

OH was agreeable to doing this as he understands the damage BM is doing to the kids and wants things to be less drama filled etc.

I am guessing BM said no though as it didn't happen.....

But yes, I think for the sake of the children when the parents are not able to parent effectively it can be beneficial.

Here in Australia there is a program that separating parents CAN undertake (it is recommended by the courts) of mediation - which involves both parents and two counsellors - and basically you explore the issues, identify areas that need to change and both start working towards shifting the r/s dynamic to where it needs to be - business like and in the kids best interests. My ex H and I did it, and it did help a lot - it took all the emotion and conflict out of our separating and defined our roles as co-parents - we now both understand what is required of us re contact and what is not acceptable.

So - I think it's a good thing myself.

live.fate's picture

Their son is almost 4, and they've been apart for 3 years now. I understand his intentions but I feel strange about them doing something as intimate as going to counselling together, especially since they are already seeing an arbitrator.

live.fate's picture

Their disagreements center around her not following the CO, they are meant to make joint decisions but she will just decide on something, and demand payment. It's stressful as our financial situation is not great and we never know what extra cost she might throw our way. I'm not sure how counselling would change that though. What makes me feel uncomfortable about it is that DH is always going on about how "great" their relationship was before she randomly left him, and how he doesn't understand why she changed towards him.

Disneyfan's picture

Did he have time to get over BM before he started dating? He sounds like a man who is still I love with his ex-wife. The only reason they aren't still together is because she didn't want him.

Sorry, but I think joint sessions would be a bad idea. If he keeps telling you how great they were together (who does that???), he may use those sessions to get her to take him back.

bearcub25's picture

1. If whatever BM is demanding money for isn't in the CO, he doesn't have to pay her...plain and simple.
2. I agree with DisneyFan.

lil_lady's picture

This was suggested to SO when our SD started playing parents against each other. That said the view he took was. lil_lady is a parent in our home we are having a child together. If we are going to have to communicate and be changing house rules then lil_lady will have to be on board. There for I want lil_lady there. It did not end up going through and SO has since gone to parallel parenting now. No bargaining with crazy pants!

live.fate's picture

That sounds like the arbitration process they have already been through.

lil_lady's picture

That is what we call mediation... This is more like co parenting counseling. So they can figure out how to communicate effectively. It is not to sort out a parenting plan it is to help the parents communicate about future problems that will arise while raising kids.

luchay's picture

Sounds like you guys have the same system (or very similar) as we do here in Aus!

Personally I think it's great - saves SO much court time, resources and MONEY!

Of course it only works if the two parties are amenable to the process.

BM in our case isn't so we are stuck with the crap.

I would LOVE for her and OH to do the counselling and learn to parent together without the playing the kids off against each other, the name calling, the PAS, just ALL the crap.

My idea of heaven.

BethAnne's picture

I'm also faced with this. BM of my husbands 6 yo suggested about a month ago that 6yo needs therapy for changes in her behavior and also because 6yo has continued health problems and doctors have suggested that stress in her living situation may be contributing towards it.

BM and my husband are proposing that the 3 of them attend therapy together. My husband accepts that this is very likely a vehicle for the BM to try to get back together with him, but is adamant that he is not interested in that. I believe him.

They have discussed what they would like the therapy to cover and it seems to be mainly that they want to check how their daughter is doing and to learn ways for both of them to talk to and listen to her concerns about her living as part of a divorced family in an age appropriate way, as it is something that is generally just overlooked by them both currently feeling that she is too young to have those kind of conversations. There was some talk of their daughters behavior being addressed, but to be honest she seems just fine to us and we think that it is either her mother does not respond well to usual child tantrums or older child relatives are having an adverse affect on her or simply she doesn't understand what is going on around her and is playing up because of that. The second part that they agree they want to work on is their own communication and on building a better relationship so that they can co-parent better. This is where questions as to BM intention come to play. And my husband seems to be under the impression that in order to overcome their communication issues they will have to go over issues from their previous relationship that led to their divorce, he feels uncomfortable about this. I disagree with him on that issue and say that what they should focus on is the present and the future not what occurred in the past.

Anyway, what we do agree on is that BM needs therapy. Weather this is the right way to go about it is another question. I feel uncomfortable about them dragging up issues from their marriage but I trust that my husband has moved on from BM and is no longer interested in a romantic relationship with her. But I do worry that she will see the intimacy of therapy as them rekindling their relationship and it won't help her to move on and get over her ex so that they can have a functioning co-parenting relationship.

So I have mixed feelings about this. I also know that both of them are not very proactive about therapy and have discussed it in the past on an individual basis and agreed that they would both go separately, but neither of them has, so I half expect this to go the same way and end in inaction.

libra2libra83's picture

Co-Parenting counseling is very common in California. It is usually part of the custody order. My S/O has to make time to see a co-parenting counseler every week to try to work things out with BM.

Cocoa's picture

seems to me that this COUPLES counseling should have been done BEFORE the divorce. divorce changes everything, it is the end. high conflict with the ex spouses should be handled through parallel parenting. sitting down with one's ex spouse in counseling is a betrayal of the current relationship, because it's NOT just about the kids. it covers how the exes relate to each other. another poster even said that they had to go back over the old relationship to figure out what went wrong. great, keep the focus on his old marriage, and allow them to feel regretful that they even broke up. seems to me your dh's interest should be more centered on his CURRENT marriage and listening to his WIFE who is expressing being uncomfortable with it, and doing what he can to make sure his child is dealing well via his own relationship with her. hey, if he wants to pursue this, let him. i, on the other hand, would be COUNSELING with a divorce attorney. especially with how your dh talks his ex up. you are correct, it IS intimate and your husband is pushing his ex into because he wants the intimacy with her.

simifan's picture

^^^^
This. There is no reason for them to spent time like this together. He is enmeshed with BM.

He could solve his problems very easily. I did not agree - you signed them up without my knowledge or consent. So no, i am not paying.

SAHsigh's picture

My partner once had a mediation agreement with counseling as a requirement for he and BM to work out their coparenting issues. They attended three sessions together and never did it again. It wasn't terribly productive. BM used it as a crying/victim session each time.

Mercury's picture

I wouldn't be ok with it.

In my state, both parents have to go to co-parenting counseling before they can get divorced. How patronizing is that? How about people who were never married? I swear these state laws make no sense at all.

matthall1701's picture

Not everyone comes out of a divorce knowing how to co-parent or parallel parent. The dynamics are different when you no longer live together, have different partners, and are trying to raise a child where you both must communicate. I'm sure it's necessary for the child's sake. I wouldn't take it that the counseling is to help them relate to each other as much as it is in how to set aside their differences and work for the best interest of the child.

Having said that, I would not be comfortable with that either. My SO's ex is manipulative and only cares about mind games. Make sure you trust your partner and that you fully understand his ex's motives. You are part of the equation now so your feelings and communication style should be taken into consideration.

Cocoa's picture

and understand FULLY your dh's motives. I still don't like the comment about how highly he values his ex. if my dh ever said that to me it would make me feel like the consolation prize.

live.fate's picture

That is exactly how I feel when he says stuff like that, like she was the love of his life and I'm the consolation prize.

Cocoa's picture

oh, honey. you're gonna have to lay it on the line to him. do you think he'd be open to your feelings on the subject if you told him how much this bothers you?

SMof2Girls's picture

I totally get your DH's motives. The only problem is, BM is high conflict. In order for therapy to work, BOTH parties need to admit they have work to do and want a similar goal; a peaceful co-parenting relationship.

If your BM can acknowledge that's what she wants and that she has to work on herself to get there, then you probably don't need therapy.

Otherwise, "therapy" just becomes a means for the two of them to point fingers at each other in hopes of getting the therapist to side with them.

Our BM suggested this for her and DH. He refused. I can't imagine it being productive at all.

Calypso1977's picture

what specifically is parallel parenting? i did some googling and it basically sounds like parenting with no communication between parents. how does this work?

SMof2Girls's picture

Essentially, each parent parents the way they see fit in their own home. It's usually the only choice when you deal with high-conflict parents. For the most part, parents agree on the big stuff (education, medical, etc), but leave the day-to-day stuff to be handled separately.

So, parents discuss and agree on schools, medical decisions, etc. But do not necessarily discuss and agree on rules, routines, and consequences between homes.

It allows high conflict parents to disengage from each other (eliminate excessive communication) but still stay on track in regards to what's in the best interest of the skids.

Calypso1977's picture

huh. that's basically what fiance and BM do but it doesnt work at all at least for them.

Cocoa's picture

yeah, mine either. there's no reasoning with bm over ANYTHING. the kids are pretty much screwed. so, dh parents when/how he can and bm does whatever it is she does. but skids know what to expect from us and know what we expect of them. praying they'll get it one day.

SMof2Girls's picture

Yeah, it's tough to make ANY parenting arrangement work when you have a high conflict relationship. Sad part is, when parents can't resolve the constant high-conflict status, it's the kids who suffer.

SMof2Girls's picture

Yeah, it's tough to make ANY parenting arrangement work when you have a high conflict relationship. Sad part is, when parents can't resolve the constant high-conflict status, it's the kids who suffer.

Calypso1977's picture

i can see it in my SD13....its very difficult for her that her parents dont talk.
Funny thing is, i read the definitions of a high conflict parent. Fits BM to a T. But i guarantee you she thinks my fiance is the high conflict parent.

SMof2Girls's picture

Yep. For her to acknowledge she's high conflict would require her to accept that she's doing something wrong. So it's just easier to blame DH. Our BM is the same way.

Cocoa's picture

and they enter into a strictly business type relationship. nothing personal is discussed between them, it's strictly about the children. communication is on a need to know basis only.

Grace Galloway's picture

Yes counseling for co-parenting is normal. Sometimes its court ordered, like it was for my DH and BM.

SMof2Girls's picture

My DH and BM were court-ordered to attend together as a condition of their divorce. That and co-parenting classes are standard in my state when parties with children file for divorce.

Cocoa's picture

yeah, I had to do that too, but not WITH my ex. we had separate appointments. same with my current dh and his ex.

SMof2Girls's picture

It happened before DH and I got together, so I don't know the details, but I do know that it was a disaster lol Smile

stormabruin's picture

BM tried to convince DH to do this last year. DH keeps encouraging SS & SD to get into counseling to help them find their ways out of the rut of being useless, helpless, non-productive, & completely dependent that BM has conditioned them to (that she is in as well).

SS asked DH if he'd be willing to attend with him to try to sort out & re-build their relationship. DH told him he'd be there any time.

DH asked BM about it & she wants her & DH to go to counseling to "sort out their relationship". When DH told her there was no relationship to sort out she got pissed & won't take the kids for any of it.

IMO, there's no reason for ex's to attend counseling together unless they're making an effort to reconcile. The only thing they need to do is learn to practice basic communication with each other. They can do that through mediation.

When I think of counselors, I think of someone who encourages people to express & discuss their feelings. No need for ex's to get so intimate & private again. All they need to do is communicate facts about children. Seems to me like counseling is something that would encourage crossing boundaries that have no business being crossed. Especially if they've moved on to other relationships. It's too personal & emotional.

Cocoa's picture

I don't think the OP was invited to attend, and without dh's "other half", it smacks of betrayal to me. especially in light of her dh lamenting the loss of his first wife. DEFINITELY underlying issues in this case.

lil_lady's picture

I agree with this although it was posed to BM that SO and I would be more then willing to do a session with her. Being that we are the parents in our home and must all be on the same page. If it truly is about the kids and thats all this shouldnt be a problem. Of course for BM it was! BM tries to get SO to have telephone conversations and meetings now. So that I am not around and she can talk bs about me. She doesnt like that we are having a baby and we have stood strong on our right to have our own house rules. She wants SO to roll over and change his views on parenting to hers... thus changing our family dinamic now. I think she feels threatened with her kids having an actual family here.

Sunflower1's picture

FDH and his ex had FSD in counseling. BM was constantly trying to get to have a session with just the two them. Didn't fly, but she tried.

lil_lady's picture

I really dont understand why it is that these women cant see past their noses in a situation like this! Not to mention be grateful for the woman on the other side that actually cares about being informed as to what is going on with skids.