Haven't been around much lately. Big blowup today...
Sorry I've been gone for a few days and haven't had the chance to catch up on everything. We had a big blowup today as a result of a phone call from BM. Everything's fine now, but I still wanted to post what happened for others to read.
So BM calls and says the same stuff she always does - "I don't want my son around that whore!" "If you don't give me an itinerary I will go pick SS up and never let you see him again!" etc etc. Well, the space ran out on the recorder so BF hung up. Then, he turns to me and says "I need you to record that all off the machine so we'll have space on it again."
I had just returned from getting food, so I said "I'd like to eat first..." Well heaven forbid! He flipped out. Finally I said, "You need to figure out who you're mad at because I haven't done anything and I'm sick of having to deal with you getting mad at her and taking it out on me." Of course, that only made things worse. Then I asked him when it became MY responsibility to sit and record all of this stuff. He just asked me if I was going to do it and if so to just do it. Well SS was standing right there and BF is practically yelling at me, so I said that he really didn't need to be going on like that in front of SS. Then he tries to turn it around like it's my fault. At this point I started crying and basically begging him to just stop arguing with me. "That is not helping..." he says. So I just walked off and went into the bathroom to cry.
When I came back, he informed me that SS was scared to death because I was upset and he wanted to go home. "Way to go!" he said to me. I told him I was sick of always getting blamed for everything. This argument didn't start because of me and I did nothing but be in the wrong place at the right time. I told him I was sick of him getting pissed at her and blaming me for the repercussions. I said I could deal with the stress but I just can't deal with the blame. I said that I thought when I got the restraining order that I wouldn't have to deal with listening to her anymore, but I'M the one who has to listen to hours of her bitching to get the tapes recorded off of the machine. He basically acted like everything I said was just making things worse and had no basis on reality whatsoever. Then he says to me, "SS and I will just find somewhere else to stay tonight." Oh now come on! Finally I just said "What do you want me to do right now?" He told me to leave so SS didn't have to hear me cry. So, I did.
I called a girlfriend of mine who is also a stepmom and asked her if we could talk. I was bawling, and she was in the middle of eating lunch at a restaurant but she came outside to talk to me. We had a very encouraging talk and she really helped me feel better. BF called while I was talking to her and asked why I had left. "You told me to!" This just made me feel even worse...He asked me if I knew why SS was upset. He said SS told him after I left that he was upset that I was crying and he couldn't hug me and tell me it was OK because he was afraid he'd get in trouble. He asked if I would come back when I was done talking to my friend so that we could sit down with SS and talk to him together about what had happened.
The take-home that my girlfriend told me that SS is emotionally unstable because of the environment that BM forces him to live in. She said that SS looks to us as his stability because he knows when he is with us he will be safe, loved, not used, and kept out of adult problems. she said that BF and I really need to work on NOT letting BM drive a wedge between us, and more importantly not letting SS see us argue as a result of something BM has done (or whatever else) because that's removing his stability and it will of course make him upset.
When I got back, we talked about how BM was trying to turn us all against each other, and try to make me leave and make SS want to come back home, and that today she had won. We had a good little talk about how we were all a team and we couldn't let stuff like that get to us.
Everything's going well now and BF realizes that he was an ass and is trying really hard to make up for it. I just wish that we could get through these problems and not let BM wiggle her way into our lives.
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It's good that you guys talked it out
and I am glad that your BF realized he was being a total DH. You might want to make sure that you don't hang around for the recordings she makes, then he can just take the responsibility of recording them onto another tape. He seems to have put a bit too much of the responsibilty in your lap.
I hope that the communication lines between you too continue to be open. Talking is the only way to survive the messes that BMs can cause. And now that he understands how it is affecting SS, maybe he will keep his anger at her from spilling over on you.
Hugs,
marika
I wouldn't Do It
Well I am one to talk. I am the one totally documenting our day to day life. I get so tired of it because it should be HIM doing the documentation instead of me. If I don't do it, it doesn't get done. I already told my DH he needs to help and stop letting me do it all. I am with Marika, you need to make HIM do the recording. I wouldn't want to her that fruit loop's voice.
Nymph,
I feel for you. Your situation because of BB is horrible. You, your SS, and you are getting abused by this woman. I don't understand why the court hasn't stepped in already and put this woman in her place once and for all. Your friend was sooooo right. You and BF both are your ss's only stability. You guys need to hold it together in front of him. My DH and I got into a really bad argument in front on my SS about a year ago and my SS went to pieces. I realized then my SKIDS truly loved me. We were going through a rough patch when BB was putting us through hell. I was going to leave. I had packed my bags and left for a hotel and that is when I got a phone call from SS crying that he didn't want me to leave. It broke my heart and made me feel really badly for even fighting in front of him. DH and I are careful not to do that anymore because the children have enough abandonment issues. We are the only stability these kids have.
We are here for you!!!
Oh, yeah...
I can relate... my DH reacts the same way, all the freakin time, and it's soooo tiring.
I'm glad that you were able to talk it out. I'm with the others, this should be HIS responsiblity to keep records. That is one thing that I nipped in the bud right away, "This isn't MY battle, honey, it's YOURS." (Except I didn't say it that way... lol)
If I were you, find the instruction manual for the recorder, or message machine, or both, whatever, and set it by the message machine... let him figure it out. (If you don't have it, you can always find it online and print it out! LOL)
StepMom
Man has the intelligence to change his life,
Sometimes, he just fails to use it...
Make it his responsibility
Our attorney gave us this nifty little thing you put on the outside of the phone where the earpiece is and plug th eother end into a handheld or desktop recorder and it's recorded for you all by itself. Tell your DH to invest in one, he can buy one at radioshack.
As for him blaming you all the time, I am proud of you for standing your ground and insisting (in your own way) that you deserve better.
IF IT WAS EASY, EVERYONE WOULD DO IT.
The Early Years
Oh, Nymh, this is EXACTLY what happened in our house whenever there was a serious blowout with our BM. He would just get mad and while I knew he wasn't really mad at me, I was the one in the vicinity and I'm the one who took the fallout from it. It sucks, it really does, but it happens and with us, it happens both ways. I've lost count of how many times I've had to explain to MY husband, "Look, I'm not mad AT YOU. I'm just mad and you happen to be in the room." Don't take it personally. You are living in a pressure cooker, honey.
I almost agree with your friend. Yes, SS gets his stability from the two of you and yes, you should try to keep BM discussions or arguments away from his ears, but that doesn't mean you can't have conflict. Conflict resolution is an important skill for children to learn. You can't bring them up where there's NO fighting, NO conflict, NO disagreements, NO arguments. That's just not realistic. Life happens. Sometimes we don't deal with it as well as we'd like to. That's human. Don't either of you feel like you have to perform for SS. Children need to see that we, the parents, actually FEEL. They need to see us bounce back. They need to see that if Plan A fails, we can come up with a Plan B. They need to know that people in committed relationships do and will disagree, but they can and do resolve their disagreement and move on. Kids need to see that we can go toe-to-toe with each other BUT STILL LOVE EACH OTHER AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER. How can we teach them to be strong if we don't allow them to see what they are up against in this life?
Hang in there. The situation might never get any better, but with every experience, you can find better ways to deal with it and get through it. I personally think that if it's not a constructive conversation, you'll know it within the first minute or two and you should terminate the conversation immediately. Why record hours and hours of this bullshit? If she can't speak nicely, then the conversation ends. If she has a computer, then I say switch to email only. That's worked well fo rus. If we're talking about answering machine messages, I have ours set to record for one minute and then it hangs up. I hate long-winded messages from ANYONE, let alone an irate BM. Our policy with our BM is that if she calls up screaming and swearing and hostile, she gets hung up on and we let it go to the machine if she calls back. If she sounds reasonable on the machine, then he'll call her back to talk to her calmly. If she starts getting ugly on the machine, we turn it off. I understand you're collecting this stuff to use as evidence, but if you don't give her an audience, then she'll have to stop doing it. I don't think you need to show how many hours she can run off at the mouth spewing her venom... you can prove the same thing with frequency as you can with quantity. Give her two minutes then shut her down.
~ Anne ~
"Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after the other." -Walter Elliot
Quantity vs. frequency
The thing is, you can't shut this woman down. He DOES hang up on her. And she does call back. And call back. And call back. In the 3.5 years that I've been in this situation, if I've learned anything it's that that woman has no reservations with harassing you over the phone or via email.
Her problem is that when she has something to say, she needs to say it to YOU and listen to or read your response, NOW. If she can't get someone on the phone, she will call back every two minutes until someone picks up. If she can't get a response to an email, she'll email every address that she knows you have (and BF has several) 10 times an hour until she gets a response. And she usually doesn't get a response, which means she just keeps emailing. And if she can't think of anything to say that she hasn't said before, she'll just say everything she's said before.
We noticed today the pattern. She will be relatively sane for the 12 days between visits...but then when BF gets SS and takes it home, the BS immediately starts, and doesn't stop until a day or two after SS gets home. The things she calls about are ludicrous. Just reasons to keep BF on the phone with her and angry so he can't enjoy his time with SS. I couldn't count the times - literally couldn't even fathom the amount of times that she says, "I'm going to call the cops on you," "You, Nymh and her boss are really gonna get screwed," "SS's phone BETTER get turned on," "I don't want my son around that whore..." It's always the same stuff, over and over. I finally told BF that he should tell her if she has nothing new to say, to just assume he already knows and not call because I'm sick of hearing the same shit all the time. And she gets on there and says stuff like "I'm never gonna take you back." Why the hell does she need to tell him stuff like that, and much less when he's trying to visit with SS?
I think BF's going to take her back to court for phone harassment, which is a criminal charge. They continued the case a couple of months ago for six months to give her the chance to cool it, but she never has slacked off except those couple of weeks after she was served with my RO. She "claims" that BF promised he'd drop the charges after the six-month continuance, which is why she's still harassing him. BF tells her all the time not to call him and she just says "I have EVERY RIGHT to call you if it's about SS, whenever I want!" She's just delusional and makes things up or bends the rules and reality to suit what she wants. She really just doesn't get it, and I don't know what it's going to take to make her get it.
*~So sayeth Nymh~*
You know, Nymh, you guys
You know, Nymh, you guys might have to get REALLY specific about what constitutes "allowed" contact by her and then crucify her for every act of noncompliance. I think you're right, she may never get it, so all you really can do is try to protect yourselves as best you can and enforce the consequences via legal channels. What are the verbal assault laws in your state? If nothing works out criminally, maybe you could consider a civil suit. I really think, the more I hear about her, that she's not wired right. She's got STALKER written all over her.
I wonder... how much would it cost to have a second phone line with a dedicated number put in? Give everyone else the new number, let her keep calling the old number. Hook "her" phone up to an answering machine and then turn the ringer off. She could still call and leave her umpteen million messages, but you won't have to deal with it unless/until you set aside a moment to check that particular machine. It's crazy. We eventually got to the point where we had our landline disconnected so that she could only call DH's cell. Then when we moved, our cell numbers both changed. We gave her ONLY his new cell number, not my cell number and not our landline. It's been relatively peaceful ever since, but then we never had as big a problem with it as you have. If the second line wouldn't be too costly, it might be worth it to get a little peace and quiet.
~ Anne ~
"Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after the other." -Walter Elliot
RE:
We can't change the number because it's our business number and we've had it for 7 years. BF is going to program a computer to screen all the calls, so that when her number comes through it just forwards it to its own personal mailbox and records her. It won't even ring on our phone and we can check the messages whenever we want without it filling up our business answering machine like it is now.
He mentioned how he needed to get that finished yesterday after we resolved all of this mess, and I asked him what parts he needed and said I would buy them myself!
*~So sayeth Nymh~*
Nymh, she's jealous
And why shouldn't she be? Her son is happier with you, her ex is happier with you, hell if she has pets, they'd probably be happier with you too. I never could stand when BM did that shit and it got so bad that I did have to press charges on her for harrassment and turn the ringer off on the telephones. I also changed our cell phone numbers because by law in our state, BM only HAS to have one number to get ahold of DH or SS's on. But you know what? Back when SS's were just visiting, I would turn the ringer off and let her talk to voicemail. WHen SS's went back home, I screened the calls then too. I never minded if she filled up the voicemail or my inbox, I save them or deleted them, depending on the content. She is the type that has to get a response also, but how long do you think it takes to get the message that at least for that day, nobody's gonna listen to her bullshit? It took BM about 35 voice messages in one day to get the picture.
IF IT WAS EASY, EVERYONE WOULD DO IT.
HA HA
I LOVED the pet comment!!!
Haha
BF was reading over my shoulder and he cracked up at the pet comment too!
*~So sayeth Nymh~*
That is exactly what I was going to ask you Nymph.
De inimico non loquaris sed cogities.
Why doesnt bf proceed with the phone harrassment charges.If you both have been collecting her messages for further evidence in court, then it seems to me that you have plenty of that by now,so end it. Talk to b.f, have him REFILE charges agiants bm as it has been a couple of months since the continuance was ordered and the harrassment has not ceased.(Refiling charges, even thought there is an existing continuance order, will just stand for even stronger evidence for b.f and you as it show's that the amount of harrassment that he/you continue to recieve is enough to put you both under extreme duress)And as it has been months,since continuance was ordered,refiling now also show's that b.f gave bm ample time to cease the harrassment and she has not thus pressing b.f to refile as a last resort. I agree with Anne,that children seeing us(adults)having conflict and handeling conflict in an adult manner is healthy in teaching them how to handle conflict resolutions of their own, however NOT conflict's regarding the ex/bm. This is one area I personally feel the children do not need to see or hear anything from us as we need them to maintain a sense of security in having to go back and forth from our home to bm's agian.The sense of security I am talking about is that it is obvious that with the disdain that bm has towards you and b.f, ss obviously is hearing this from her own mouth when he is with her, what he needs to be hearing and seeing from you both is that what bm say's,what bm does is not affecting you or b.f and that it does not have to affect ss either. That when in b.f and your home,he can leave bm's b.s behind too. I so understand the stress that she is putting on you and b.f ,however, that stress needs to be handled in private. The only conflict resolution ss needs to see in your home for example setting should be with personal conflicts such as your's and b.f finances, employment, or issues dealing with YOUR personal family(b.f,you,ss). The only conflict issues regarding bm that I personally would allow in the home would be those concerning ss and issues he discusses or exhibits in regards to his bm, then dh and I would utilize those moments to teach ss how to apply the conflict resolutions he does witness in your home to his own issues with his bm. Just my opinion.
Here here...
Yeah, I'm inclined to think the same too... I'd go for refiling too.
StepMom
Man has the intelligence to change his life,
Sometimes, he just fails to use it...