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RedRedVines's picture

For people who wanted background, I'm writing this post. There were so many comments in the last one I'm just starting a new one.

The reason why I called my post son being bullied due to SD is because that's basically what happened, but I should have just added the word "more" at the end. DS is short for his age, has acne and he's a bit of a nerd. He's always had 1 or 2 friends, not really a social person like my daughter, never has been. He was in Catholic school but my ex has said he couldn't keep paying his part for HS (and I can't afford it on my own, and our scholarship application was denied). I figured there was nothing wrong with public school so registered the kids there, but this means the cliques from middle school have formed and he's going in there basically alone.

Since the beginning of the year there were problems with teasing and some hall shoving (when people intentionally bump into you) but after this nickname things intensified so much. There were no tears before SDs comment. That incident was the catalyst to DS just having a normal bad time in high school to having a real problem.

As for the commenters saying I should talk to my son and listen, of course we have done that, and he's been skyping with my ex so he has that line of communication open as well. We are addressing that side of it in many different ways because it's OK to talk about bullying. It's not ok to bitch about a COD and that's what I wanted to do here, a venting site for stepparents.

DH loves SD so much and thinks my son should develop a thicker skin so there's not much use bitching about SD to him (although I still do and he's pretty good about at least listening). None of my friends or family friends have stepkids so previously the few times I have brought the whole ignoring us thing up I get the "Well SD had no choice who her dad married and all of a sudden shes sharing a house with 3 strangers, poor girl." So because I can't vent about her in real life I'm here.

There are only a few reasons why SD wouldn't like us - the most probable one was that DH and I met and got married in 7 months, so not much time to adjust before we moved in together. BM is in the family home so DH was in an apartment before, she actually has more space in the house we bought together. But BM and DH work late, so before my family she and SS had the run of the house and since I work from home about half the time and my kids are here after school they don't have as much quiet time or alone time.

Second reason, I'm a very affectionate person and so I was very affectionate with DH (hand holding, cuddling) in the beginning of a relationship so that my kids can see what happy partnership looks like and they don't think how my ex and I behaved towards each other was normal (mostly yelling). SD walked in on us having sex one time (BM dropped skids off of a full day early and we thought we were alone) so she probably soured after that as well.

Third reason, I tried to do waaay too much "family" stuff in the beginning and probably didn't let DH have enough alone time with his kids, I had good intentions of wanting us to mesh but that was a mistake. By the time the wedding came around she was just really quiet and I thought she needed time to warm up to us. But she just got colder.

SD is rude at home but its rude in a silent way. She says hello back if you say it first but otherwise nothing. You ask how her day was she says fine. You ask how the movie was she says funny. Never gives any personal info, never goes into any details, nothing. And when SS or DH or literally anyone besides the 3 of us ask her something she's bubbly and talkative. If we go in for a hug (we don't anymore) she kind of maneuvers away or just tells the kids please don't hug me. She doesn't do favors (if I know she's passing the store on the way back from tutoring and I text her can you pick up bread she ignores), and charges me $30 per hour to babysit, and that rate has been jacked up now that we have my and DHs baby, who she has expressed zero interest in. So every time she gives a one word answer it's like she's saying screw you. The difference between how she treats me and my kids compared to everyone else is night and day. For 6 years. And honestly I would have dealt with this attitude continuing because it could be so much worse, but her words are just knocking around in my mind. Someone commented that she repeated what she said because she was making a power play, to prove she was the biggest bitch in the house and she certainly did that.

Oh and I realized pretty early, like a year in, that I needed to give SD more space and time alone with DH, so I did back off a ton but even though I made that effort she was just getting into the preteen years so you know how that goes. The reason why we exclude her from things (and it's not often) is because if you don't want to be part of the family you shouldn't get the benefits of the family. And I'm not paying over $100 for a day at the water park for someone who is going to ruin pictures, not help with anything and ignore me all day. BM does have ROFR but obviously we want to make a point and it's not making a point if she and BM get their nails done or go shopping when she is supposed to be improving her attitude.

HRNYC, the reason I didn't answer your numerous written requests for background information yesterday is because yesterday was Sunday. My kids and I go to church. We have fellowship. It's also a device-free family day. And I have 3 kids, one of whom is a baby and two of whom need to get ready for school after being away. So try not to get exasperated so quickly by my delayed response.

Update: ExH emailed me and said that unless I voluntarily agreed to change the custody agreement I was in for a very long, very expensive custody battle. My lawyer said based on how hard he went during the divorce I was looking at minimum 30k to fight this with no guarantee I would retain custody since DS14 was old enough that the judge factored in his wishes and he was a judge's ideal candidate for a move, even a move 2000 miles away, due to the bullying. I have had long talks with DS, he really wants to go live with his dad and make a fresh start. He told me about the great Catholic school he and his dad and SM toured during Thanksgiving break which somehow my ex is willing to pay the full cost of now even though he wasn't willing to split the cost before. I have been seeing a therapist and my kids and I went in for therapy sessions to talk everything out. Thank god my DD is happy staying here with me and her friends. DS is now spending most of winter break with his dad, leaving the day after Christmas so he can get acclimated and begin the spring semester at his new school.

I've been holding it together okay (mostly). I know this is what's best for my son. He will be away from the bullies. And a teen boy probably needs dad more than mom. But the situation sucks. I'm much less angry about it than I was. I think I have come almost to a place of resigned acceptance.

I wish the skids weren't here for Christmas. I would love it to be just my 3 and DH. SD15 has chosen this moment to be much more smiley than usual. She has made several comments at dinner about how much DS will enjoy Boston and the snow and being with his dad. She even bought my bios Christmas gifts this year, which has not happened previously. I don't trust it. 60% of me thinks she is so happy and nice because she likes seeing me unhappy - she was the same way once before, after the baby was born and I was having serious postpartum depression. But DH insists that deep down she regrets what she said and is trying to make amends and by being friendly. Not buying it.

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thisisnotmocking's picture

Are you trying to describe your SD's bad behaviors in this blog? I don't really see any...

RedRedVines's picture

We are trying small group at church. Yes we saw a dermatologist, but its cystic acne and really hard to get rid of. He has friends from old school who can come over and sometimes do but it's hard when you stop seeing them every day. If DH and I had the money we would still pay for private school but we don't.

KittyKatMomma's picture

I've suffered from cystic acne all through high school-the one thing that really worked for me was proactive...wish I could post pix of how my skin was before....god awful.

But proactive really cleared me up within a few weeks.
Consider it!

RedRedVines's picture

I figured that was just marketing so I went straight to the dermatologist, but this is the 3rd medication and not making a dent. I will give proactive a try.

RedRedVines's picture

He was divorced about 2 months before we met, separated but living together a year before that. We have never done it as a family. The skids go regularly and either BM or DH go in for the last 5 minutes. I made DH go for a full session with SD 2 weeks ago and he came home in tears. Won't tell me what happened because the session was confidential but he has been defending SD more since then. That man cries almost never, so I definitely welcome family therapy because there is clearly more going on.

No i did not warn DS, there was no real reason to - she has never said anything really mean before, she is just extremely distant and cold. It definitely would have been better if he had not said anything. She would have looked over, ignored him as usual and walked on by. I recognize this. But when I think of him in that moment it was probably just desperation.

RedRedVines's picture

I realize this, and if I could do it over I would, there were several factors that just collided and it made so much sense at the time.

RedRedVines's picture

I think there is a difference between rude and mean, and how something makes you feel and how things are percieved by others. I do have conflicting feelings which is why i clarified to make sure people knew she wasn't a monster at home. But I am confident that this incident at school was a turning point.

RedRedVines's picture

I disagree due to the nickname and tears, I am not in school with him but the change in him was visible when he comes home.

RedRedVines's picture

That would be nice, we are definitely not upper middle. Just middle. But I see what you are saying.

Pokeyketchum's picture

I agree, the SD's behavior is not good nor polite. It is passive aggressive and meant to be. She is not being respectful. She does not like the OP or the OP's family and she is making certain no one has any illusions otherwise.

WTF...REALLY's picture

Sounds like your stepdaughter is in a lot of pain as well. He probably came out crying because she talked about the broken family she comes from and then the big family she was forced into very quickly. Perhaps he never thought of how his remarriage marriage would affect his children. And to boot, she accidentally saw the two of you having sex.

Right now, I would stop focusing on your stepdaughter and focus on your son. Get him the help he needs. Activities are a great way for boys to make friends. My daughter is a proud self proclaimed nerd, and she loved debate team. That is where she found a lot of friends.

Have you ever spoken to your stepdaughter directly, asked her about her feelings of the new family she is in? I think having an empathetic talk between the two of you is a good idea. Or do it with a counselor so you have a middle person. To have a chance of healing the blended family, you have to start understanding your stepdaughter has feelings too. This did wonders for me in my blended family. And mine is a challenge as we have a criminal, violent BM to deal with.

Best of luck. Smile

twoviewpoints's picture

I think you've given some good advice.

Reading OP'S blog yesterday, there was so much background information missing, it was hard to hard to see the two sides . We basically got a quick picture of a demon teen leaving members to fill in the blanks themselves.

Much clearer today to see where mistakes were made by all parties involved and what sat up the results. Starting with Dad and Mom living together while separated until the divorce. This ten year old child went from Dad and Mom with life as usual to within two months a new instant GF playing happy instant new family. What the hell was Dad thinking? So within nine months this kid went happy kid to 'what the hell just happened'. And that's on her father.

SM made mistakes too, but I don't believe she did so out of malicious intent. For SM she meet a free divorced man she got along with and she was eager to start a relationship and get on with her life. She did what most SMs2be do. Readily included SD and set blending the kids and happy one big family life... problem is this ten year was in total shellshock. SD hadn't been given the time opportunity to even let register what had happened to Dad and Mom and home.

RedRedVines's picture

Thats the thing, it sort of is rude. There was a post I read a while back about a dad writing in and the daughter would give really brief answers to SM and elaborate only to him. It really bothered her and I understand why. Its like a little ding every time and it builds up. So if she is just silent it is saying she doesn't want to be a part of the family. She watches her brother for free. And one of my neighbors told me she charges $10 an hour so I am getting inflated prices. She refuses to babysit her half brother and says she doesnt know baby cpr. I am sure she does.

And again, we don't go on vacation very often or out to dinner very often so this is not something that happens a lot. The camping trip was the first vacation exclusion and probably the last because DH complained so much that she wasn't there.

stepinafrica's picture

I do not include my SS in some activities. If I am going somewhere to relax I am not going to take a rude kid who ignores me along.

I am very upfront with him. I will tell him that I'm sorry I can't go with you because you are rude to me. Why would I pay to take a kid on vacation so he an ignore me there too?

Duh.

WTF...REALLY's picture

Have you ever spoken to her about her feelings? I would really like an answer to that question please.

RedRedVines's picture

Yes, of course. Before the wedding I tried to spend time with her and SS individually, but in the early days we had BM resistance and SD was just so quiet and nervous it wasn't successful. 3 more times since then that I can remember - I took her to a book signing for an author she likes, we went bike riding once and once I arranged for no one else to be home and just tried to talk to her on the couch. DH had to force her to come to these heart to hearts and I wasn't able to make a connection. Its hard if someone is actively resisting getting to know you. And after this I don't know if I have any interest. A therapist might be the only way.

WTF...REALLY's picture

The therapist with the two of you is a good last ditch effort. Might as will try it. Wishing you luck.

Wifeypoo's picture

Redredvines, I wouldn't want your SD babysitting ANY of my children if I was you. I just wouldn't. If she's feeling so much contempt for you and yours, who's to say how she'd treat your baby. I'm not saying she'd be abusive physically but I wouldn't trust her to be loving and kind either.

It sounds like your SD is blaming you for everything. What abut her dad? Reminds me of a wife (or girlfriend) blaming ONLY the other woman for a affair. He made decisions that have caused his daughter pain and resentment. HE chose to marry you.The comment she made about you "spreading your legs for her dad" also included her father. What kid talks like that about her fathers sex life. That's just gross to me.

I would have to say your DH isn't doing either one of you any favors by his actions, or lack of. You are his wife now. Since when do married couples keep their counseling sessions with their children, living in the home, private from their spouse. Why are you being left in the dark?

Wifeypoo's picture

I may be wrong. I suppose I meant he could talk to the SM in private, without letting the SD know. I say this because I personally wouldn't be able to not be pissed off at my husband if I was the OP, but than my DH and I pretty much talk about everything. I would want to know what I was doing that was annoying and or hurtful to my SD. So I could stop doing it. Just being told to ignore her SD may not be enough for the OP to go on. She may not have the kind of personality that can live with someone who has such bad feelings toward her. There may be nothing that the OP can do to keep the SD from hating and resenting her. I get the feeling that this kid will fly the coop as soon as she's able to and her dad may lose her anyway.

WTF...REALLY's picture

I think you're getting caught up in that moment in time. The girl is obviously hurting and the dad knows that she's hurting. Kids are allowed to be hurt. My gut is telling me everything's been brushed under the rug for six years, and the resentfulness has been building and building in this girl. It's up to the adults to find a solution. Not just ground blame and throw anger around. But actually find a genuine solution.

For me, I get pass the comment the girl made and actually get to the root of the problem.

still learning's picture

How did the boy "provoke" horrible behavior from SD? He called out for help while he was being bullied and she added fuel to the fire. How is that provoking? What she did and said was morally wrong on so many levels. SD's getting too big a pass on her rotten behavior.

StepX2's picture

"if you are so heated about all this why don't you find out where the OP lives and go lead a protest march on the school? If you're not willing to do something about the situation, and protect those who are being bullied, wouldn't that in effect make you morally corrupt?"

Bless your little heart...now you're just being silly.

RedRedVines's picture

Nope. I dont know if you have kids since you have never given this forum any information about yourself although you comment a lot. But it is much much faster to do anything without a baby. So I am not asking for babysitting frequently, maybe once every 3 months if I need emergency groceries and once in a blue moon for date night. When we go places as a family I expect everyone to help carry stuff or watch out for each other. I'm not expecting a nanny.

stepinafrica's picture

LOL. Exactly. There is no way a 'good' kid can open her mouth and spew forth sewage like that. Not possible.

Pokeyketchum's picture

Hi HRNYC,

I have to respectfully disagree that the SD "gets along" with everyone in the family except the OP. What the SD is doing in the family is microaggression. Everyday with her terse actions, behaviors, and answers she is making covert aggression with the OP and her family. The reason it is so hard to "call out" or even define is because it is covert. It is not respectful. If it were overt, it would easily be stopped.

Try these SD actions of one - word answers with your boss for a week and see how you are received. The behavior will no be tolerated, but because the SD is in a blended family situation it is easier to go undetected. It is not mature, but cunning.

This is also the reason the bioson asked for help. He confused the microagressions for simply being "quiet" or introverted. These microagressions happen everyday at work, on college campuses, and in families.

This blog is an example of microagressions are so hard to stop.

Toastergirl's picture

What she said was horrid! I couldn't imagine ever saying that at 16, or treating another human being that way. Disgusting.

WTF...REALLY's picture

And to add insult to injury, SD accidentally walked in on the newlyweds being intimate. That would add a layer of scarring.

notsurehowtodeal's picture

I agree with Fruit. From what I can tell this comment is the only time SD has said something truly awful. What one of us hasn't said something we wish we could take back?

Another possibility for the incident at school is that she said what she did not so much to be mean to her step-brother, but to protect herself. Depending on where she is in the social hierarchy, she may have said the worse thing she could think of at the time to distance herself from her step brother in order to protect herself from the bullies.

Standing up for her stepbrother could have made them turn on her as well. It doesn't always happen like it does in the movies where the sibling defends the other sibling and the bullies back down. Sometimes they shift targets.

Or - she said what she did to fit in. She didn't want to go against the norms of the group - especially since she is not to fond of her stepbrother to begin with. Once again, not really to be mean to him, but to protect her social standing.

And yes - she repeated it at home under different circumstances. But maybe it was just 6 years of resentment coming to the surface. It sounds like she is talking about her past in therapy - maybe that is bringing up old feelings and resentment and she said what she has been thinking for a long time.

Obviously this needs to be addressed - which Dad needs to do. Maybe a therapy session between Dad, SM and SD would help.

Snowflake's picture

It is really sad that at such a young age this girl is basically slut shaming her stepmother. There is no way n hell I would put up with that. Slut shaming really gets me sick.

And it is not as if they were having a wild time knowing that stepdaughter was coming over. Nope, the were a full day early. A phone call prob would have been helpful. For that reason alone. I remember once a am just walked in minutes after dh and I were puting our clothes back on. That would have been on her.

It is not as if the OP had been in a step situation before. She is responsible for her bios feelings and adjustment. It is dad and bm's job to take care of their kid.

If the skid can't after 6 darn years process that her stepmother is not going anywhere, or accept that she has a bio half sibling then she needs therapy. Crap happens and parents get divorced and remarried.

RedRedVines's picture

At that moment neither of us said anything, we were shocked. DH went later to talk to her in her room for over an hour. I will write more about that later but no he didn't blow a stack, he was very calm which in hindsight was a good thing because I was not. There is also way more stuff about the bullying and the school district I haven't gotten into because it's long.

stepinafrica's picture

Please tell me you will never ever have sex with this man again. Not until he shows he has some balls.

RedRedVines's picture

Sorry this took a while, I typed it on my phone and stuff started to go down and I forgot about it.

People asked how DH responded to SDs comments. He talked to her privately and asked me to let everyone cool off for a day, and then when the skids go back to BM for a week we would discuss what to do. So when skids left, DH told me that he has known that SD doesn't like me or my kids for a long time (it is very clear and I'm glad he finally admitted it) however he has told her several times, "I can't make you respect RedRedVines but you need to treat her with respect".

He said he knows it stings that she is so cold to me and my bios but that she is actually showing considerable restraint in not saying what's on her mind at home because she is after all BMs mini-me. He is disappointed that the families didn't blend like we imagined but that while he can usually control SDs actions, he has no control over what she thinks. And while he is sad she feels no respect for me and mad that she actually disrespected me and said such a disgusting and hurtful thing, this was one of only a handful of times it has happened in 7 years of us being together, so he told her was going to let this go.

I responded that he was going to let SD call his wife a whore, and was told we are all allowed the occasional outburst, and that my kids say things they don't mean, too. Which is true but mine apologize, and besides that SD meant it -she is not sorry and he won't make her apologize. And he said SD has always been honest and that if she was forced to apologize she would just say she was sorry that you feel upset and I wouldn't like that non-apology very much, would I.

So in short: SD meant what she said, has no regrets, and DH is letting it slide because it happens rarely.

On some level I get what he is saying if I look at it from his perspective. SD has the ability to make our lives absolutely miserable but doesn't because she does love DH very much. The 4 prior times she has said something hurtful, it has been VERY hurtful but it was in private and had no long term consequences. This is different. This poured gasoline on a small fire and turned it into a blaze. This is making my son miserable and want to move thousands of miles away. I can't let this go. I can't see my son three times a year but see SDs smug face every other week. (Update - I now have to do this because DS14 is moving)

I can't leave. I have a baby who is very very difficult and I need all of the support I can get. DH and I make a modest income but have almost no savings due to my business going under and DH being laid off for a year. We were both high earners when we married and everything went to hell. He has a job now but at a third of what he was making before, so in addition to doubling my expenses, no savings, and less help caring for a very fussy baby, my CS would be crap as it is a fixed percentage of income in my state. I have a regular 9-5 now, but I don't make much more than DH. The job market sucks where we live. I would love us to move but DH would never agree due to the skids. If I leave the quality of life for all of my kids goes down. If I stay and DS moves in with his dad only I am unhappy so this seems like the best course of action.

I've read everyone's comments and while I understand that the original bullying was not due to SD, her comments spawned the nickname and made the bullying 10 times worse than it was. I have had more than a month to think about this and am convinced that this is the case. I have also debated a lot whether being distant/cold is rude and I'm confident it is. Again I know SD can make it worse any time she wants but unless you have lived with this you have no idea, especially when SD is princess perfection in public. Anyway thanks for the advice, I do appreciate it.

The reason why I'm not going full lawsuit with the bullying is for a couple of reasons - the main one is that it isn't online yet. We mitigated a lot of the danger by shutting down all of DS14s social media almost immediately after "Slutson" hit so there would be no way to tag him in anything. It's awful at school but from talking to other parents on forums the real damage happens when the hate goes online and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the barrage of abuse. It starts with classmates but spreads to strangers and can escalate very quickly. One of the school board members sons is one of the bullies. I am terrified this thing will go online so I am not willing to threaten the school board with this in mind.