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To speak or not to speak - that is the question

WalkOnBy's picture

As you may know, ASS has recently talked about going to college instead of moving out and starting his own multi-million-dollar business.

This pleases me because I think college is important for lots of reasons and I also want him out of my house. Because I have sent three kids to college already, DH asked me to put together a list of things that he should be aware of as he guides ASS through the college application process. Because it was helping my DH, I gladly gave him my list of tips and tricks.

Sitting on the couch last night, DH mentioned that ASS has taken none of the necessary steps to either investigate which college he thinks he might like to attend or actually apply to any colleges. Those of you with high school seniors know that he is a little behind the eight ball as many kids are already getting their acceptance letters. I responded to DH with the universal disengaged SM response, "oh, I see. "

Now-do I encourage DH to get ASS's ass in gear or do I say nothing and watch as this child does absolutely nothing necessary to apply to and get accepted to college?

I want him to go to college because I want him out of my house, so speaking up might accomplish my goal.

On the other hand, not my circus and certainly not my monkey.

I am off to some mandatory training, and I will check your responses in a little while.

What would you do?

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Monchichi's picture

Push, push, push. I think we ALL prefer not to have failure to launch living in our houses. I doubt ASS is a Matthew Mcconaughey.

WalkOnBy's picture

He's a high school senior this coming year, so either way I have a full school year of this bullshit

moeilijk's picture

Here's what I'd do:

I'd talk to DH without taking a stance or pushing at all. Here's the convo:

WOB: Oh, hey DH, you were mentioning that ASS isn't really doing anything towards reaching his goals of college or a job/apartment. Out of my own selfish desire to see him launch, I'm curious - what are you doing to help him?

AND SAY NOTHING ELSE. I totally expect your DH to be all, Whaddya mean, I should be doing something, I don't want to hurt his fee-fees, I don't want to rock the boat, whatever whatever me me me. And maybe even irritated or frustrated in your direction.

Just let it slide. Back to oh, I see.

Because DH doesn't want to be reminded of the situation with ASS in the first place, nor does he want to be reminded that it's actually his job to do some parenting here. But he knows it's a hot-button issue that could cost him his marriage.

So let him know you're still expecting him to pull an ace out of his sleeve. Maybe he will.

Tuff Noogies's picture

dont push ASS, but definitely push dh behind the scenes. he will launch dammit, even if it takes *you* shoving him out of the nest!

WalkOnBy's picture

In my state, the kids take the AC T in their junior year as part of the state mandatory testing.

He scored a 30 - he's a very smart kid and I think he would find himself surrounded by like-minded kids in college, which is why I want him to go.

twoviewpoints's picture

Push. Don't push. While he's not your monkey the circus he creates is definitely on your doorstep. Million-dollar business? Great. College? Wonderful. Street corner? Ok, last resort, but launch from your home he must.

Your DH will never go with the street corner. Kid doesn't have the maturity nor attitude to build the business. College will be your best bet and you'll likely have to shove not nudge the entire process. Sell it as kid's key to starting that desired business he wants to start.

Willow2010's picture

One of the VERY few times I engaged was when it looked like SS was going to really fail his senior year. I pushed the totally living crap out of DH to make damn sure that kid graduated so he could go into the military!
You may want to put that bug in his ear too! The Navy is an amazing experience and they will pay for his college.

Stay on DHs butt.

notarelative's picture

He's a senior and still has time to apply and get accepted. However, he needs to get in gear.

I'd encourage DH to find out if the high school has any parent nights that explain the process as many do and they are very informative. Seeing and hearing how interested other parents are could be a wake up call for DH. (Although since DH is getting interested I think the start of senior year has begun his wake up call. DH is realizing that high school is soon over and unless something happens he may end up living with and supporting ASS by himself.)

I'd tell him that ASS needs to go to guidance and find out the dates of the appropriate test (SAT or ACT) and sign up to take it. If ASS has no idea what to study I'd encourage a community college to start, and I'd discourage large loans that DH will end up paying off with his social security checks.

I'd encourage only if DH brings it up. You've already told him what to do. The ball is in his court.

WalkOnBy's picture

DH and I were married when my very intelligent and highly competitive twin boys were applying to colleges a few years back.

DH also attended one of the best universities in the country-he knows what needs to be done. He just doesn't feel like dealing with ASS.

Andie91801's picture

Agree with Robin333. ASS swims or sinks is not your problem. Just get him out of the house.

A.

Willow2010's picture

My concern is that if she does not push her DH, she will be stuck with skid longer. We all know that DH has said kid is out at 18. BUUUUT...who actually beleives it? WOB then will not put up with that and that would be the end of the marriage.

I say for your marriages sake...push DH on this. Yes...you will be helping the little shit in a round about way, but it is a win win for you.

WalkOnBy's picture

ding ding ding - even though DH says he will push ASS out if he doesn't go to school, I won't believe it until I see it. And, I have already made it loud and clear that DH can live with ME or he can live with ASS once he graduates high school, but not both.

I may have to put my money where my mouth is :O

Tuff Noogies's picture

it certainly sounds like u're leaning in that direction. but still mull it over throughout the day before you make a final decision.

out of curiosity, what's the financial situation as far as funding? u've got two in college - did you co-sign, or have a large college fund, or did u expect them to handle their grants and loans? i know he's not as driven as they are, so what exactly would you be expecting for ASS? this may or may not alter your decision...

WalkOnBy's picture

My XH pays for tuition, books and fees for my kids. I pay for half of the rest and they take out loan and/or use their own money to cover their half. When Twin2 wanted to stay in the dorm for his second year but in a single, I made him pay the difference in cost between a double and the single.

I received a lot of child support per month when my kids were minors because XH makes a shit ton of money. I saved a good deal of it for college.

As for ASS? DH is freaking out because Medusa emptied out the college funds long ago and he hasn't saved one dime to pay for his kids to go to college.

Sigh....

Tuff Noogies's picture

please GOD tell me dh is not considering co-signing anything.......

and it's not like dh has gotten any child support to squirrel away for him. are you prepared for the chance dh may be footing the bill for this? college is great, but if his stupid-ass mother screwed him on his college fund it should not be to the detriment of your own household funds. if dh cant swing it, then ASS needs to get a job and start his own college fund. maybe he can do online school in the evenings, on his own dime.

WalkOnBy's picture

I have no idea what he will do, but I have told him that none of our joint funds are going to pay for college for his kids.

Medusa doesn't exactly pay her child support, and it's a teeny amount so it's not like there is much to squirrel away.

The schools that I put on the list for DH all provide automatic scholarship money at ASS's GPA and ACT score, and I think he should only apply to schools that we know will give him money.

thinkthrice's picture

O.M.G. Medusa and the Girhippo could be TWINS!!! The Gir emptied out all THREE of the skids college funds that Chef had set up for them with his workers comp injury award the SECOND she kicked him out of the house!!!

Willow2010's picture

Yep...DH said the same thing...but I know if push came to shove...he would not push the little bird out of the nest. Oh DH would have said all the right things like...just give it a few months til SS gets his crap together and things like that. But we all know it would have turned into a long mess.

That is why I stayed on DH for several months to stay on SS about his grades. And it worked!

EDIT TO ADD... Push your DH...NOT your SS. You know how that would turn out.

new to this's picture

He made a 30 on his ACT!?! Dang that is good. Is he planning on taking it again? He could get full scholarships at a lot of colleges with a grade like that. From my experiences in the real world a lot of people with high book smarts just don't have a lot of common sense, now I'm not saying all of them but a lot of them. He can probably work a math problem a mile long but needs help tying his shoes (or closing doors). I would push him to get into college, I would help him with applications, all that stuff, just to get him out of my house. It would probably be less stressful for you to just help him than push your DH to do it.

I have one more year of SD being at my house too before college. I haven't offered to help with any of her applications because her mother has a PHD so you know she knows everything and is so brilliant and all, they don't need my help. (eyeroll). I know that SD will go to college, my worry is that she will end up back at my house after college. Sad

WalkOnBy's picture

It would certainly NOT be less stressful for me to help ASS. He has made false accusations to CPS against me and just recently hit me and pushed me down. So, nope, not lifting a finger to help him. I am more than happy to help my DH, but if he isn't going to do anything, there really isn't much that I can do Sad

new to this's picture

I didn't know he had hit you. I understand why you wouldn't want to help him. I personally wouldn't allow him in my house if that be the case but I'm sure we don't know the whole story. Good luck.

BettyRay's picture

Here's what I did for DH last year when SS18 was a senior in HS:

I looked up all the open house, tuition and application deadlines for the the colleges SS18 said he was interested in. I threw in the local tech college and state university in our town. I also found the US News and World Reports profile/review for each one.

I created a list for DH. DH provided the list to SS18 - and they reviewed it together.

I know it sounds like a lot of work but it only took me a few hours to do.

DH and I took SS18 to couple open houses. In the end chose the expensive private university in our town (the one BM had her heart set on).

~BettyRay

WalkOnBy's picture

I have done this already. I have sent three kids to college already, so I know what I'm doing Wink

Part of me feels like I have done enough and that I should just keep my mouth shut and let DH do or do not do whatever he is going to do.

The other part of me want ASS out of my house so bad...

BettyRay's picture

I get it. SS18 is the oldest so this was our first skid college rodeo.

I have told DH repeatedly: The skids will not live with us after they turn 18 y.o. unless they are going to college or working full-time or a combination of the two. This has been my mantra since we got together.

And to be honest life is way easier without SS18 around all the time. He is a lazy-entitled-manipulative-idiot who treats SS13 like sh!t.

~BettyRay

WalkOnBy's picture

I don't want ASS in the house even if he IS working full time because he would still be expected to follow the rules that he refuses to follow now.

BettyRay's picture

At least SS18 follows the rules. Although he won't do anything extra to help out like dishes, take garbage out, cut grass unless you specifically tell him too. Which I think is ridiculous.

~BettyRay

WalkOnBy's picture

ASS refuses to follow the rules. He doesn't think he should have to follow any rules that he finds stupid.

For example, one rule that we have is when you leave a room you turn off the light. No, that's stupid because who cares what the energy costs and even if it costs something, it can't cost that much? So sayeth ASS.

ASS has said on numerous occasions that if something doesn't make sense to him, that makes it stupid and therefore he shouldn't have to deal with it.

The entitlement and arrogance in this kid is absolutely amazing. None of his actions would indicate that he is some kind of wunderkind who is to be admired for his great intellect, his contributions to society, or his general demeanor.

But, he thinks he should have respect and adulation-and screw anyone who doesn't agree with him or give it to him.

Tuff Noogies's picture

"ASS has said on numerous occasions that if something doesn't make sense to him, that makes it stupid and therefore he shouldn't have to deal with it." yss has said this thousands of times "well that's just STEEEWWW-pid!"

fuuuuck.... Sad

WalkOnBy's picture

I am so sorry to tell you this, Tuff, but I think you are well on your way to an ASS in your house, too.

BethAnne's picture

It is great that he has expressed an interest in college, but my firm belief is that college is for the child and not the parent so the child has to do the major leg work. They no longer HAVE to be in education and if they are forced or shepherded into a college or particular course that they have no real interest in or are not ready for, more than likely they will just blow any loan money and drop out within the first 18 months.

HE has to want this, He has to do the research the essay writing, the applications. Yes he should be supported and encouraged, given advice when it is asked for and gently reminded of important deadlines. But doing all of the leg work is first inhibiting the child from taking a real stake and active choice in his future and secondly it is more likely to be a costly mistake when loans are blown on exploring new found freedoms, classes are missed and exams flunked. Better to encourage(force) him to get a minimum wage job and move out when high school is out and let him find the motivation in a couple of years to improve himself when he gets bored of it to improve his situation by pursuing a better career either by going to college (when he will be more mature and better suited to it) or by other means (as he realizes that not all goals have to be reached through college).

So, no I wouldn't be there doing all the leg work, the research and locking him in the bedroom until his applications are submitted. I would encourage your husband to take an active and supporting interest in his son's choices and progress towards them but he shouldn't be pushing too hard one way or the other. This is the first major decision that ASS has to make for himself and his future and one that he has to do for himself.

WalkOnBy's picture

I hear you, and believe me, I never had to do anything for my kids when they were applying to colleges. They did it all on their own, but they all WANTED to. ASS will do nothing for himself and he certainly won't do anything that DH and I support or encourage.

When DH was on the "we will force him to go to college" train, I told him that under NO circumstances does it make sense to push a kid to school when he doesn't want to go. No faster way to waste money, that's for sure.

I was actually much happier when ASS said he was going to get a job and move out. I am pretty good at predicting what ASS will do next and I think he will do nothing.

And, so it goes.

notasm3's picture

Put your efforts into researching nearby shelters. Document your findings and share with your DH and ASS.

Tell ASS he can either have a ride to college or to a shelter. His choice.

TheAccidentalSM's picture

I know ASS doesn't deserve anything from you but if it was me I'd get behind this project and push like my life dependent on it. Anything to get him out of your house, even if it is just in term time, is worth it!

You deserve some peace and quiet and mental space. If I had to take over the college application process to ensure my sanity, I'd do it.

Also if you are the "puppetmaster" controlling the process you can make sure all the "puppets" (AKA DH and ASS) perform as expected; no co-signing loans, going to a school with a scholarship, etc

One final thought - ASS may just grow up a tiny bit if he has to share a room at school. Peer pressure at his age can be useful. My YSS19 has just moved into a flat with people his own age and is behaving much better with them than he ever did with my DH and me.

WalkOnBy's picture

I know, I know and that's why I want him to go to school.

Having to learn how to live with someone was the BEST thing about freshman year for Twin2, who is my odd, quirky germaphobe boy. Of course, he is now living by himself - lol!!!

College would be GREAT for ASS - it will teach him to sink or swim, to deal with authority, to realize that he is NOT the smartest kid in the room, not to mention challenge his brain.

If I get involved, I will have to stay behind the scenes as PuppetMaster, because the quickest way to get ASS to say no is to have me ask him to do something.

Tuff Noogies's picture

thanks guys, now i have metallica stuck in my head - which is a good thing!