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When DH doesnt have the money..

sonja's picture

Tough question..

Quick recap.. SD6 doesnt come to our house due to extreme tantrums in the past when she spent the night. After psyc visits it was decided that DH would go to hertown for the days of his visitation, spend the day there doing things, drop her back off and then go back the next day (its an hour or so drive each way)...

Like most of your DHs, they are flat broke after paying CS and then their portion of their bills here. We've discussed what his half is and I pay for all extras.. but lately he has to keep asking me for money. I understand he doesnt go down there and blow a bunch of money on silly stuff, but if he doesnt have the gas money to even go, what am I supposed to say?

He went to hertown last night for a school event, then is going today and tomorrow. They can hang out at his parents, but obviously not the whole weekend, so theyre doing a lot of driving around plus all the trips there and back.

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zerostepdrama's picture

How long has this arrangement been going on? Can it be altered for SD to now come back for visits?

I almost feel like a 6 year old having such a meltdown over staying the night there, is her just controlling the situation. I want to think its manipulation on her part and maybe some on BM's?

My BS has had some SERIOUS tantrums and meltdowns that made me question is sanity. However, it was him just being a spoiled rotten kid. I am the adult and he isn't going to control the situation.

You said a physc eval was done, so I am thinking this was a serious matter, much more than tantrums?

Obviously I dont know all the facts around why she can't come back to the house or what the plan is for her to start coming back to the house. I dont see the current arragnement as something that can be permnant.

With the lack of funds being an issue, I would really consider other options. If there is no money, there is no money. And I cant imagine having a "real" visitation with SD (at her age) when you aren't even in the comfort of your home or someplace that he can stay at and really visit and parent her. Sounds like they are going place to place.

sonja's picture

I'm not exactly sure how long its been since there would be a bad visit so she wouldnt come the next time and then he'd really want to 'try again' and it would be horrible, he took her home at 1am one time.. Id say 6-9months?

BM says separation anxiety, we say spoiled. It was always up till 1-2am screaming and crying and making herself puke, wouldnt stay in bed, in her room and sure wouldnt stay asleep. Total disruption of the whole house (we have a BS3).. and major issues between DH and I caused because of it.

For now it is the only solution, Im sure not ready to try again, and I think DH feels the same, hed rather his sanity and marriage be good then to deal with that all weekend.

zerostepdrama's picture

Well if that doesn't work (her staying over night) and the traveling back and forth doesn't work, then what are your other options?

I think as a parent, he should do whatever he can do to see her. But if its going to put you guys in the whole every month and it causes more harm then good, that I might have an issue with.

Can DH talk to SD about staying the night again? Ease into it maybe?

sonja's picture

I'm not implying that this arrangement isnt working, I think it is. But DH needs to cut in other areas to free up enough gas money to drive 4 hours+ on these weekends.

BM has tried to have SD tell DH that 'she was ready' but we have heard this many times before and she would willingly come over every time she had a huge tantrum. I'm sure BM wants her free weekends again, but she hasnt done anything to help the situation. During the time they (bm/sd/dh) went to the pysc visits together, BM was to be doing different exercises including differently behavior techniques and making bedtime routine more like how we do things at our house. (going to bed by yourself in your own room without a tv at a decent hour). Did BM work on any of this? No because she thinks its ok to let a 6 yr old stay up watching tv till they pass out in the parents bed.

BM also wont drive more than 5 minutes away from her house for drop offs. I think DH would be more willingly to try different things but BM wont budge. He cant drive 2 hours at 1am if SD wont stop screaming and puking all night.

Disneyfan's picture

If he can't afford to keep driving back and forth the whole weekend, then he has to work on staying with you all during her visits.

Ending the tantrums won't be easy, but in the long run it's better to spending money he really doesn't have.

sonja's picture

Money will always be tight for him, he pays CS. If we want more kids and I can afford to have kids, then thats on me to pay for them. The issue is that he doesnt have extra money and apparently I'm supposed to give it to him?

sonja's picture

Difficulties in what? He knew when I bought this house that we were planning for more kids and that SD wouldnt have a room. Hes the one that made her think she had a room to begin with.. but it doesnt matter now because she cant handle staying the night.

He should be paying half. He lives here too and we have a child together. I didnt sign up for a marriage where I pay for him to he can go blow his paycheck on whatever.

Mercury's picture

You bought the house? He doesn't pay his share but spends it on his kid instead?

Yeah. You are totally within your rights to not provide a space for that kid. That's his job.

sonja's picture

Some of these posters make me question who is on these boards. I understand we are biomoms and biodads too but jez, SD has her own room at her own house where she lives. I'm not sure what the big deal is to have her sleep in the living room if she ever stays here in the near future.

If DH wants to get us into a 4br house, so IF SD decides she can handle staying here the 4 nights a month, shell have her own room, then he can go buy one!

Mercury's picture

Agreed. I'd love to get rid of my house that I bought with my ex and get a nice apartment downtown instead. Dh worries that his kids won't have a place to stay when they are with him. Lol. Um. They already have a house. He's paying for it. They can sleep on a pull out sofa just like any other guest in our home.

Disneyfan's picture

The child is only six. She will be able to handle sleeping over at some point in the next 12 years.

I'm on the fence about her not having a room to sleep in~ not necessarily one of her own. As a parent I would feel like shit if I didn't provide beds/rooms for all of my minor kids in my home. The amount of time they spend there wouldn't matter.

On the other hand, he doesn't have a dime in the dollar. Since you're the one paying for everything, you get to call the shots.

sonja's picture

Originally I was thinking one of our kids would have a trundle so there is a bed that is 'hers' but seriously how can I put her in a room with another kid acting like this? My BS is on a very good strict bed routine that is the same 7days a week. I cant have him in a room with SD that stays up till 2am causing a scene. I will hope that future bios will also be on a good routine as well.

Because we both a living room (office) and family room, I think my long-term idea is to turn the office into more of a living room setting and have a couch with a queen pull-out, that way it can be proper for her or any other overnight guest.

Mercury's picture

This is tough. Without knowing your situation, I can't even pretend to know what your response should be.

Personally, I have had these conversations with my own DH. I made it clear from the beginning that I never want to feel like I'm enabling him to keep up another woman...errr, I mean pay child support. He is to contribute to OUR household as if hers didn't even exist. No exceptions. Even if he lost his job and was threatened with jail time for arrears, I would handle our bills but I would never give that woman or his kids a dime. Nor would I ever help him fetch and care for his kids (provide gas and groceries).

The job loss is a hypothetical situation but my point was clear. Currently, I don't pay for a single thing on skid weekends. He cooks, does their laundry, cleans their rooms, does dishes, takes us all out for dinner, pays for any entertainment, etc on skid time.

Cocoa's picture

I agree with this. what would he do if he were single? he obviously wouldn't even HAVE a home to bring her to, so what would he do? part-time job perhaps?

sonja's picture

Hes not managing his money wisely. I think thats where hes falling short and having to ask me for money every time he goes to see her. We calculated how much bills are and how much he makes minus CS and how much he needs for this and that. In the end hes not contributing his half but its close. I made sure he would have enough spending and gas money.

I think where he fell in the hole is when he decided he needed another play vehicle, yes its paid off but now hes putting gas into to 2 vehicles.

zerostepdrama's picture

Yet you are wanting to bring another child in this world with a parent who can't manage their money, who blows it on play vehicles and who has to travel back and forth to visit his other child. Sorry to come across as harsh but not sure if that is a good plan long term.....

Generic's picture

Sounds like it to me too. She has literally been driven from her fathers home and now you begrudge her the gas it takes to keep her out? Just be grateful she's gone for now. Since her tantrums aren't being dealt with appropriately, you're going to need to save your strength.

sonja's picture

In the end its not my decision. I know the whole thing is a game, but DH cant get it under control and I'm not her parent so I can be the one doing the spanking. In the end she gets what she wants and goes home the next day anyhow so hed probably rather just not even deal with the whole scenario. (shes doing this because she doesnt want to sleep/sleep by herself/wants to go home etc.)

This bedtime behavior has been going on for years, but it escalated sometime time in 2012, not sure if its just the age, but shes known since before 2 that she can make herself puke. DH has never been tough with her, he isnt a FT parent to her and cant discipline effectively because BM doesnt discipline at all.

I told him from day 1 before she was 1.5 that 'co-sleeping' would cause long time issues.. and I was VERY right.

sonja's picture

I also agree that letting her scream it out is the answer. Ignoring tantrums works and I always felt that bedtime started with your nightlight and door open and if you werent quiet you didnt get to keep the door open with the light on. Obviously DH cant do tough love like this.

She always had the room lit up with lights, fans going, stuffed animals etc. But whats the point of all that when she wont stay in the room or in the bed..

doll faced sm's picture

So, what if he only participated in every *other* visitation weekend? Don't get me wrong, I know how much he wants to see his kid, and he may nix the idea, but it wouldn't hurt anything to suggest it. It would free up more money for the visits he *did* get to have with her so they could maybe do something super fun.

I don't subsidize my husb's visits with his son, either. I know it kills him not to get his son every other weekend as allowed, but you know what? We just can't afford to throw $300+ in gas alone around every other weekend. Not possible. I saw it written here once that when you make the decision to divorce (or not marry in some cases) the parent of your child, you make the decision that the child will not have a normal family upbringing. Sad as it may be, it's true.

twoviewpoints's picture

"BM was to be doing different exercises including differently behavior techniques and making bedtime routine more like how we do things at our house. (going to bed by yourself in your own room without a tv at a decent hour). Did BM work on any of this? No because she thinks its ok to let a 6 yr old stay up watching tv till they pass out in the parents bed."

I'm confused on the sleeping arrangement. You also said SD has no bedroom and would be sleeping on the living room sofa in your home. Is it she use to have a bedroom at your house but since she hasn't been coming the room has went to a different use? Which I suppose makes sense if the child hasn't slept over in 6-9 month (no need for a bedroom especially as there is no plans to ever try again with sleep-overs). But say SD is going to try again for an overnight and sleep place is now livingroom sofa. How would the bedtime routine go? For example if her bedtime is 8pm. What happens with the rest of the household members at 8pm? TV off, lights off, and DH/you just disappear off into your own bedrooms? I'm just being curious.

Has Dh ever thought about going to a budget planner? It sounds like he impulsively spends money. I get he has little to spend to start with, but even what it does have isn't covering his needs throughout his pay period. You say he purchased a second vehicle of some type. Perhaps he needs too sell it off (no extra gas, cost of insurance , plus a bit of cash in his always empty account). Maybe even a plan for the entire household expenses where you both could find ways to lower the overall monthly joint bills/expenses? IDK, just tossing thoughts out there. You shouldn't have to cover his part nor pay for his traveling to see SD, but maybe there is somehow overall budget cuts that would make his part lower (and your part too, which may be a plus for you giving you extra cash too).

sonja's picture

SD has had her own room during all of these overnight issues. We are having another baby and the room has to be remodeled before it can be decorated so the room has been emptied and DH knows its no longer SDs room.

The room that Im suggesting SD sleep in, in the future is in a completely different area of the house than the other living room. SD could go to sleep and we could stay up without disturbing her. If DH chose to, he could even add a door. I havent discussed any of this with him, but he did mention just letting her sleep on the couch in the past in case theres some connection with that bedroom that is causing such issues with overnights.

DH thinks his money issues are just that he doesnt have any money. He wont 'not live' because he has to pay CS, so apparently thinks I'm just supposed to pick up the slack. I've blogged more specifically on this topic before, apparently since I make more I should pay more.. but funny how when I DIDNT make more than him I was still supposed to pay more.. hmm

hereiam's picture

I would tell him, "Go ahead, live it up if that's more important than seeing your daughter." And STOP giving him money.

He does sound like somewhat of a mooch.

hereiam's picture

In the end its not my decision

It may not be your decision what he does about the tantrums but it is your decision to not finance these trips since he cannot manage his money. He knows he needs gas money to see his daughter, he needs to treat it like a bill and make sure he has the money for it or figure something else out.

He will always manage to come up short as long as he knows you will give him money.

I think he is creating a monster by letting her get away with controlling the whole situation but what do I know. I'd hate to see what she's like as a teenager.

oneoffour's picture

There are a couple of things glaringly obvious.

If your DH is unable to pay for the 4+hr driving weekend he needs to drop the playthings. He can buy new ones in 12 yrs when he is finished with CS.

Why isn't he staying at his parents place? If they live in the same town as SD why isn't he staying there overnight? That would half the gas bill for a start. Sure, you want him with you but if he is absent from your home 2 nights a month he may see the stupidity in the situation.

If he were my DH I would be encouraging him to speak to his ex about transitioning to overnight visits again. And you need to think about this... your son is taken to another home 4 nights a month and has to co-sleep with his other parent with the TV on. How long do you think it would take him to fall asleep? It isn't like this little girl is staying with you 50% of the time. It is probably only 4 nights a month and there HAS to be a settling in time. Even my g/daughter who is nearly 7 and has been swapping between her parents for 5 yrs has a few hours of resettling in to do.

Yes, a fuss has to be made of her. She chooses dinner. She can choose dessert. She chooses the movie. She has to be made welcome and wanted. Wouldn't you want the same thing for your son? Would you want him to be landed somewhere where the different rules apply and you like it or are SOL? She has to feel part of the family because whatever you think. she IS part of your family. She will be the half sister of your future children. They will share the same paternal DNA.

I know you like a structure but when Stepkids are in the mix it is never as structured as you want it to be. This little girl is allowed to rule the roost. Just give her a different roost to rule. And whatever you expect form her, ask yourself if you would allow the reverse situation if your son was in her place.

Yeah and tell DH he is too old for toys and either his daughter is more important than toys... or not. Which would set the tone for any future children.