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Trudie's picture

A comment on another thread, I believe it was "snotty in-laws", prompted this question. What is it with "snotty in-laws"? Or even just 'dismissive' in-laws? I fail to understand why they can't be open, accepting, and HAPPY that their family member is happy! What the heck is wrong with people? Why is this a 'thing'? Thoughts?

ESMOD's picture

Maybe they don't approve of the person that their child picked?  Maybe there was another person they preferred specifically.. or just generally would have preferred due to cultural... socioeconomic.. or other reasons?

Maybe they don't approve of their child's life and blame the new partner?

Maybe they always preferred another sibling..

Maybe they love their baby so much that no one would be good enough.

Maybe they are insecure

Maybe they are emotionally unavailable people?

Maybe the new partner is a problem themselves and got of on the wrong foot?

 

 

Trudie's picture

These are all potential reasons. I would like to understand WHY it is so prevalent? It is not the falmilies choice after all. Ultimately it ends up hurting their loved one by creating needless stress.
Additionally, I see many IG accounts specifically about horrible MILs, although I am sure there are 'horrible' DILs too! I would like to see more tolerance, on both sides. 

 

CLove's picture

My inlaws are a HUGE conglomeration and the self-Family love is so HUGE that its a THING.

self-absorbed so much so no one else exists.

Trudie's picture

I think you get me...it is a THING for sure! It can be as if 'they' are in their bubble and 'you' are not. Again, it hurts their loved one...it is senseless.

"Honey, they like you!" As long as I keep my mouth shut, don't have an opinion, and don't question anything. After awhile one stops trying and withdraws. 
 

I decided many years ago that I would love who my children pick, I love my children too much not too. I am blessed that their SOs make this easy.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

My SO told me a story when we started dating. It was that when his cousin's mom found out he was dating a girl not from their culture (they are immigrants to the US) she started crying. He said that's how all the moms are of that generation in his family.

I thought, surely i can win them over. I asked him what i could do that would make them like me more. He told me that when we go to their house, help clean up. Another friend told me to always take off my shoes. I swept, mopped, wiped, washed, all in no shoes. I brought homemade dessert to family holiday gatherings. But, the best i ever got was polite tolerance.

It also doesn't help that SO's oldest brother, who is looked at as above everyone else because of being older and male, still has a weird attachment to BM2. They hang out and do holidays and birthdays together. When he went to their home country to get a wife, as did SO's only other brother, he introduced the new wife to SO's BM2 first thing, even though SO and BM2 had been divorced for 5 years at that point, so now the "top" SIL is best friends with BM2. The "bottom" SIL is just trying to survive day by day and doesn't take a side but she doesn't speak any English so there's not much to be done there.

I tried really hard to integrate into the family for about 3 years. I took lessons in their language but they speak a different dialect from what's offered and it's a tonal language, so hard. BM2 was still on their family text chat (which is in English) so SO tried to start another one with me on it and her off. But someone somewhere just remade it without me. SO says BM2 isn't on it, but idk. And at this point, i just keep a polite distance. I'll go to Christmas and such, still take my shoes off and help clean. Still bring a pie. But i don't go out of my way and i minimize the times i go. It is what it is and i don't stress anymore. 

ESMOD's picture

It's sad that they can't be open to getting to know someone that could make them better for having known them. 

But, in the end, you can't change who you are.. and at a certain point we may have to accept that it's not personal.. that they would likely treat any person outside their culture this way.. so you have to look to your husband and if HE treats you and values you.. that may be what you have to accept and his family is just the side dish that you don't particularly love.. but take a taste of "to be polite"

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Yeah, i know now that it isn't personal. BM1 wasn't treated as a close family member, either. It is what it is. 

Trudie's picture

You are right, it is often not personal...but it still hurts. I like your 'side dish' analogy. What a difference it would make if all involved could just be polite!

Trudie's picture

I am sorry this has been your experience. Hugs to you! I understand.

Rags's picture

Hmm, it sounds to me that BIL was and may still be banging your SO's X.

Nea

I am a 3CK raised internationally in a country and culture I am not a native of. So is my brother and so are his 3 kids.  DW and I started our life as Expats after SS-32 launched at 18.

IMHO tolerating rude crap is not something to do even when the ILs are of a different culture.  They are immigrants. The onus is on them to adapt to the culure in their new country and raise their kids accordingly. That does not mean abandoning the culture of their background but it for damned sure demands that they treat the people of their new country with respect and kindness.  That goes double for a person of the new country that their child marries.  The new IL kid married into that family also owes the family they have joined respect and some tolerance of cultural differences. This does not mean tolerating rude bullshit from them even when there is a claim that their behaviors are related to their culture.

I would be hard pressed to sniff their rude asses and tolerate their bullshit.  I think my mate would know full well that his family better get their heads out of their own asses and be pleasant and welcoming or it would be game on anytime there was a get together.

I honor and appreciate the culture of the countries I have lived and worked in as well as the many more that I have visited.  However, when I get off of a flight returning to my country those of that culture on the aircraft had better adapt in a hurry to the behavioral norms in my country  or they will be addressed assertively to behave.

Countries where the concept of a que and wait your turn is not a thing are the ones that I have no tolerance for when landing in my country.  They can pull that shit in their country, but even there I do not tolerate their cutting the que. I have escored elderly people native to those countries who keep getting shoved to the back of the line to the front of the line and defend their place from the teaming millions trying to jump to the front on any number of occassions.  Once I get the elderly person taken care of, I return to where my place was when I started. Interestingly I am welcomed back to my place in line by the person I was in front of.  

Arriving in our country, I watched my father escort a line jumper all the way back the back of a hundreds of people long line, I have done it, my DW has even done it when returning home from the inherrently rude cultures we have periodically lived in or visited.  Our tolerance for the rude elements of those cultures immediatel goes to zero when we get home.

Hopefully your SO has your back and will keep his foot up the asses of his rude relatives if they mistreat you.  Whether he does or not, you should.

IMHO of course.

Good luck.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

"Hmm, it sounds to me that BIL was and may still be banging your SO's X."

I suspect so. From what i hear they were spotted at a nightclub together shortly after the divorce. 

"Countries where the concept of a que and wait your turn is not a thing"

My dad worked in one of those areas for a few years. I know it was hard for him to keep his mouth shut while there. He would never allow an elderly woman to stand while he was seated, no matter what kind of looks he got. 

JRI's picture

My DH and I have grown, married kids and grown, married grandkids.  I've noticed a weird thing about us.  We acknowledge and welcome the first spouse with open arms.  Time goes by, maybe some babies arrive, maybe not.  Then they divorce.  After awhile, they introduce us to #2.  I find that altho we are cordial, we aren't as close as we were with #1.  In each case, the #2s have been fine people, no complaints.  I cant explain it. It's not like we maintain contact with the #1s altho we stay polite due to ongoing grandkid events.  Just reporting from the inlaw side here.....

Trudie's picture

I appreciate your perspective. I have a friend, who is a therapist, and she has told me this is very common with second marriages because they often do not have children. 
This is an interesting concept, but it makes it no easier to be basically be dismissed. Why would a family not want to welcome the newcomer? 

JRI's picture

I find myself not wanting to rock any boats.  "Why would a family not want to welcome a newcomer?"  It somehow feels like being cautious, like not wanting to mess up our child's  relationship.  Or maybe it's caution for ourselves to avoid hurt.  Again, sorry I can't explain better.

Trudie's picture

...for trying to explain. I appreciate that you shared this. I am asking this with curiosity and respect, how have your children responded to this? Has there ever been any honest, open discussion?

Let's consider what it's like to be the newcomer. (We have all been one at one time or another.) One is entering an environment of virtual strangers, who all know each other. It isn't easy when no one goes out of their way to speak more than a mere greeting, to get to know you, or make you feel comfortable or included. It's tough! This could be a work situation, social situation, or family situation. I'm not saying that the new person should not reach out, because they should. It is tough, especially in a 'new' family; these people are now your family, but they are indifferent. Or worse yet, some are rude. Ouch! Just food for thought....
 

 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I hate to say it, but if they are indifferent or rude despite you giving it 100%, they aren't your family. 

Winterglow's picture

I couldn't agree more. FIL, MIL and BIL welcomed me with open arms; SIL did not. As far as I'm concerned,  she has ceased to exist.

Trudie's picture

I understand this!

Trudie's picture

...they are certainly not! Well said. This puts their family member in a pickle...they see what's going on but they can't change it...not a fun position to be in.

JRI's picture

You asked if out kids or gkids have ever mentioned this.  No, they haven't.  I think our level of cordiality has been good enough to pass.  Lol.  Our grand-daughter was a little put out when we didn't grant her request to move in with her new bf temporarily when they relocated here.  But she made other plans and they're doing well now.  In retrospect, if she'd been with her DH#1, there's a greater chance we'd have said ok.  We knew him better and DH didn't feel right about the bf but he's turned out to be ok.

Trudie's picture

i appreciate you sharing your experience. It sounds like you are good ILs. Maybe there is not the same bond as with the originals, but no complaints! 
 

I understand about your granddaughter. We have discussed the possibility of adult kids ever moving in...it was an emphatic 'no' from each of us! It would be tough living with an adult child, but one that wasn't your own would push that to a new level. 

Rags's picture

You are reasonable people.  You do it as it should be done.

Though for my parents, they adore my DW of 30 years and they adore her OOWL son that she brought to our marriage just before he turned 2yo. SS is mom and dads eldest GK.  Though he was not their first.  My niece is 1.5 years younger than my kid but was born 5mos before DW and I married.  I had introduced my then GF and her son to my parents 7mos before we married.  They introduce my DW as their daughter and may follow that up with the fact that I am her DH.  They do not do that with my SIL.  My brother's wife has kept herself somewhat separate from our family. Though their 3kids adore my parents as much as my son does.  They also adore my son and my bride.

They would take extreme exception to anyone telling them that SS is not their family member, GK, nephew, or cousin.

I am sure your new DILs appreciate your being reasonable and that your XDILs appreciate you not being hostile toward them.

I appreciare the example you and SO set by doing the whole extended blended family subsequent marriage and IL thing reasonbly.

In the case of my first marriage, XW and my XILs are nothing more than something my  family (parents and my brother ) scrape off of their shoes.  She/they did not earn a place in our family world.

My DW and my son both are fully part of our family. Maybe even more than I am.  Mom and Dad like my bride more than they like me.

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Rags's picture

Lack of confidence, inferiority complex, failed life performance, though more likely sub par character, no honor, and inability to recogize the shit that they are.

They being toxic ILs.  Whoever they may be.

My XILs were interestingly the prototype of this.  On the surface a quality family, strong in their church, strong in their community (XFIL was on the town council). They lived in the it zipcode in the metro area, their home was in an elite enclave in that zipcode which was the desirable suburb.  They owned a 200acre ranch an hour N of the city.   None of that made much sense considering that XMIL was a book keeper and XFIL was a low level government rural property inspector for the State.  The first example of their issues was when their eldest, their only son, married a woman that XMIL held in significant disdain due to her family background.  A rural low income family background from a swamp communty in a neighboring state.  XMIL was so anti DIL that her own son eventually took his family and left the state.  Good thing he did.  The why of him taking his family and leaving being a good thing will become clear below.

My XW turned out to be a serially adulterous skank whore.  The marriage lasted 2.5 years from wedding to final divorce decree.

I moved on, met my incredible bride of 30 years, we raised a man of character, honor, and standing in his adult life, profession, and communty together.

XW is now on at least marriage #3, I was DH #1, with three all out of wedlock spawn. Two are cheat babies conceived with a cheat partner while married to someone else. She was knocked up with her eldest during out divorce, and got knocked up with #3, another cheat baby, while married to the geriatric fortune 500 executive sugar/baby daddy she left me for after he finally married her following the birth of their second.  Blessedly I escaped without polluting my gene pool with her.

Dirol

XMIL turned out to be a federal felon, convict, and prison inmate who embezzled $Millions from her employer.  Which explains a lot that was perplexing during my dating, engagement, and blessedly short marriage to their eldest DD.  They pretty much lost everthing.  Her employer sued the whole family, except for XBIL who was long gone, and won a $MultiMillion suit against them.  My XW was on the hook for $Several Hundred K of the payback according to update from mutual friends.  XBIL escaped a couple of decades before the Federal Marshals arrested my XMIL as the family left the final hearing of the civil suit.  Though they they had to pay ther former employer $Millions, she ripped that business off for millions more than the family had to repay.

My current ILs are not without their challenges. Low income laborers with highly developed unfounded superiority complexes.  Particularly two of my DW's three younger sibs.  BIL2 has a heart of gold.  MIL is a gem.  FIL is deceased.  He was a bit more like two of the youngest and never really understood what his eldest DD and I have accomplished in our life together and our careers.  MIL really does not comprehend her eldest's success either but she is a good natured loving person.  Even with the major differences, DW was FILs person. He was far more closely connected to her than her three yunger sibs.  Even MIL has stated that DW was FILs person.  DW was FILs golden child though he did adopt her. DW's biodad/MIL's first DH, was killed in an automobile accident a few days before my MIL found out she was expecting with my DW.  FIL was at the hospital when DW was born. He and MIL married when DW was 2mos old. They had been raised together and their families were BFFs while they were growing up.

My DW is the mutant in her family.  A highly successful graduate degreed professional. Her family generally considers her the naive rich city dweller who does not know how to function in the world.  Interestingly, they seek and take her advice on financial decisions, taxes, etc... but .... are raising their own kids to replicate the multigenerational struggle to live beyond each successive paycheck and embracing instant gratification that they just cannot afford.  They are all, all about the dream with no concept of living within their means.

The ILs have a common familial trait of an unsubstantiated superiority complex that limits their work advancement,  demonizes anyone and everyone who is not them, and turns them collectively into a fairly insular entity in their small town community.

It is kinda sad.

But, they are not bad people.  Though they do infuriate me to no end with their self created drama and their breaking of my incredible brides heart.

My family, from my perspective, are low drama and fully accepting of my DW.  They were hesitant with my XW due to the things that made them go Hmmmmm? regarding my XILs.  As it turned out, my parents were absolutely right about my XILs.

My family absolutely worships and accepts my DW as their DD, sister, aunt. DW is truly that special. She loves my family to death.  They also accept SS as theirs.  Their eldest GK, their only Rags clan nephew and cousin. Not too hard considering we started out blended family adventure when we married the week before SS-32 turned 2yo.  Our son adores his GPs, his uncle and aunt, and his cousins on my side of his life.

Overall, I believe that DW and I fairly well won the IL lottery this time around. The SpermClan, pretty much is made up of an odor emanating shallow and polluted gene pool that we thanfully rescued our son from having to splash around in beyond the expiration of the CO we lived under for 16+ years.

Trudie's picture

The Ex IL saga could be a movie!

I'm so glad your next experience was a good one, your wife sounds like a wonderful person.

notarelative's picture

In-laws -- the relationships can be strange.

My first mother-in-law was an immigrant. She moved from her home country to an enclave of immigrants from the same country. She understood English, could read it, but her spoken English was limited as she never really had to use it in the community she resided. I was the non speaking home language daughter-in-law she never wanted. But, she tolerated me. DH1's sisters followed their mother's lead. The sisters and other sister-in-laws would get together and I would not be invited. 
Years passed. MIL died. DH1 died. Somehow over the next years my relationship with the in-laws got better. They started trying to have a relationship with my kids (and I encouraged it). I remarried and they love DH2 and invite both of us to family events. 

Second marriage -- the in-laws hated the deceased ex wife. So any relationship I have with them is better than hers. I'd say our relationship is cordial and that's where I'd like it to stay.

Trudie's picture

...for sharing this. I, too, shoot for cordial.

ndc's picture

My MIL most definitely prefers BM to me, even though BM cheated on DH multiple times and then left him. I've been married to DH longer than he and BM were together, so longevity doesn't explain it.  Lucky for me, MIL lives hundreds of miles away from us and I very rarely see her. I used to make a lot of effort with her, but she has treated me poorly so now I don't bother.  She's still loving every social media post BM makes while I, OTOH, have her blocked.  MIL also prefers my SDs (and also BIL's kids) to DD, but at this point she's pretty irrelevant to DD, and my parents are fantastic and present grandparents to DD, so I don't think DD is missing much.  I sometimes wonder why I was treated as the 2nd class daughter-in-law, but ultimately MIL is the loser in this situation, as her relationship with her son has suffered as a result and she has almost no relationship with her youngest grandchild, who is a great kid.

Trudie's picture

You are right! THEY are missing out. This dismissive behavior does affect their relationship with their loved one; it makes no sense. Sorry you are experiencing this.

From what I've been told, the family didn't really like the Ex either. They are close and there is no room for outsiders. It is just weird to me. I'm beginning to think, that for some, it's also a complete lack of social skills.

Harry's picture

Are in charge of your life.  You control where your life is going.  If your in laws disrespect you, or show favoritism to the ex.  That's up to them. I just would have nothing to do with them.  They will get the message sooner or later or not.  This is not up to you 

Trudie's picture

They are free to act as they choose. I am free to choose how I respond. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Came back to say it's like going into a job interview. You dress your best, ace all the questions, know you are very qualified. But everyone else at the table knows there's already someone selected for the job. They have to hold interviews for appearances, but you have no shot. You may even go back for second or third interviews, take off work from your current job. But you are wasting your time. 

Trudie's picture

DH and I saw MIL in the grocery store today. I said "Hello Karen!", gave her my brightest smile, and kept right on shopping. I was friendly, cordial, and gave more than I received. I feel good about that, because that is 'me"...I am kind, I am gracious, and I treat people with respect. All of the sudden I am wondering why I have let these people dull my sparkle? No more! They need not overly occupy my thoughts. You are right, Rumplestiltskin, I never had a shot. This is on them, because I gave it a concentrated, sincere effort...for months. 

Guess who is living her best life? Me. Their treatment of me has changed their relationship with their family member. They may wish to blame it on me, but I know better. More importantly, my DH knows better. This situation has taught me much and reinforced something that I already knew...that when I am the IL, I will do better. Yes, it was tough but I'm tougher. As Rags would say...Period. Dot. (Smile)

Thank you to all on this site; I learn so much from your posts and viewpoints. I appreciate your collective insight so much!

 

 

Rags's picture

Good on you. Living well is amazing. Enjoy being amazing.  Being happy and radiant can inspire ... them... or it will irritate them even more. Either way, you win.

Period. Dot.

Wink

Enjoy living your inspiring best life, and depending on .... them.... enjoy living your best revenge.

Dirol

JRI's picture

My dad was killed in WW2 when Mom was 3 months pregnant with me.  A terrible time for all, I'm sure. Mom stayed close with his parents and I was very close to them, especially my grandmother.  Flash forward a few years and Mom remarried.  V was a good man, devoted to her, wanted to adopt me.  On the negative side, he had no experience with kids and was very grumpy.  

They married and as I look back on it, I realize my grandmother gave a master class on how to treat an in-law.  V wasnt even her in-law but she treated him like a prince, cooked his favorite food, laughed at his jokes, etc.  They lived out of town so being able to see me meant making his trip pleasant so that he'd continue to make those 3-hour trips.  Or, maybe it was worth it to him to get me out of the house for a few weeks.  Lol.  

It wasn't only making happy with him.  She also remembeted their anniversary each year and when the younger children came, she treated them like grandkids, too.  Actually, on each of our birthdays, the others would receive something, too, just so nobody would get their feelings hurt.

In her last years, she was in a nursing home and got a little more frank one day.  She had disapproved of the way he corrected kids at the dinner table.  Who would have ever known.

It's been a great example in how to treat in-laws, especially in an emotion-filled scenario.  I wish I could live up to it.

Rags's picture

My MIL's and DW's stories and your origin and your mom's young wife/mom story are extremely similar.  DW's paternal GM's StepIL story is much like your GM's.

MIL's first DH/DW's bio dad was killed when MIL was first pregnant with DW.  

MIL and FIL married when DW was 2mos old.  MIL and DW and occassionally FIL would visit DW's PGM.  As she got older she would spend part of the summer breaks with her BioDad's family.  PGM also accepted DW's 3 younger halfsibs as hers as well though they were not as invested in that relationship as DW was, except for SIL who invades and usurps any experience and memory that she can. An SIL side bar rant.  She is pushing 40, never met any of her GrandFathers. They were long gone before she was born.  To this day at most family gatherings she tries to engage in story time to make it all about her. "Remember when Grandpa fell through the ceilign of the house was he was building it?"

Umm, nope, and neither do you, you were not even a twinkle in anyone's eye and were decades from being born.

End of SIL skeeve factor rant.

I applaud your GM and your mom, and your dad on how they navigated an IL experience of notably greater complexity than most.

FIL and MIL's first DH did not like each other so FIL maintained some separation from DW's parternal clan though he was respecful of MIL's first MIL.

Trudie's picture

JRI, what a fine example your Grandmother set! You were blessed, she sounds like an amazing woman!