Last Line of Defense for Everyone's Sanity
So I have been married with stepchildren for as long as they remember. However, I am now at a point where I feel I need to step back. I recently have seen that many stepparent disengage and I think this is where I am. I've also noticed little to no support groups for stepdads.
This is where I am at and why. ...... During the years, I felt i could be a part of my SD and SS lives. However I have found myself more isolated than ever. I am the proverbial "bad guy" in our house. I have tried to parent and be a loving parent but am accepting my place and stepping back. I don't want to be the "nag" all the time. I never thought I would find myself on a forum but I think the support will be good and finding there are others in a similar situation is good as well. I don't know that I even feel "love" at this point and when i write this am overcome with guilt....like I'm failing. However, its clear I'm the outsider. I love my wife more than I can put into words. The custody agreement with her ex is 50/50. If it wasn't, despite the love for my wife, I don't know that I could stay in the marriage. When our kids are gone we have such a wonderful time together. When the kids are around its a constant struggle and the dynamics and isolation are tough. I find myself leaving the house as much as possible when the kids are around. I either visit my brother, go to the gym, or find errands to run to be away while my stepkids are around. Is this bad? Do others to this? I find myself doing this more and more. I don't hate my stepkids but I don't feel a connection despite my efforts.
I appreciate everyone lending an ear and any feedbak is welcome.
Welcome to the site! You are
Welcome to the site! You are definitely not alone. Disengagement is the only reason I can stay in my relationship, and the general rule is "only do the things you want to do." If it would make you happy to do certain things with them, great! Do those! If you don't want to and/or would resent doing it? Don't do it. I see myself more as an aunt to them and not a parent. And I, too, get out of the house A LOT. And honestly, I kind of like it that way. I know when I'll get quality time with friends or do one of my hobbies, and it keeps my life in better balance. And if you needing to be around the skids ALL THE TIME meant that you couldn't get your workouts in or see friends, then that would lead to a lot of unhealthy stuff anyway.
Also, I was a step kid growing up and WISH I got more alone time with my bio parent. You may feel like a bad person or selfish, but honestly, it's not a bad or mean thing to allow your partner time with her kids, you know? I think the biggest problem with disengaging arises with there are different expectations about what your role should look like, but if your partner is like "I love you! Have a great time at the gym!" then everyone is happy and everyone wins.
Thank you...
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. It's good to know I'm not alone. It's also good to know I'm not being selfish. I think I underestimated the struggle of being a stepdad prior to becoming one. I will continue on this path of disengagment in hopes that everyone in our home benefits from it even though I feel guilt and selfish for taking this step.
A couple of things:
A couple of things:
1.) They aren't your kids, and it's okay to not see them as your own. Do they see you as their father, or equal to their father? Likely not with 50/50 custody. Take that burden off your soul.
2.) If the kids need to be nagged to do things, that needs to come from your wife. She is their parent. She doesn't nag them because she doesn't want to be the bad guy. So, when they don't do something they are supposed to, tell her. Nag her. Push her to parent her kids. It's disrespectful to you for her to put you in the position of being the bad guy.
3.) If you are child-free (i.e. no biokids), go live your life when you have time to do so! Your wife has a responsibility to be a mother. That is not your responsibility. It is not your burden. Don't feel guilty that when she is preoccupied as a parent that you're off being a child-free adult.
Overall, from the little you've shared, you seem likr a pretty normal stepparent who wants boundaries. And that's entirely fine! These kids have two parents and their respective families. It sounds like you don't hate them, and I assume you treat them decently. There's nothing wrong with not being a "bonus dad", and anyone who says otherwise has WAYYYYYY over-romanticized parenthood.
Great Point
Thank you for your reply...to your point they don't see me as an equal to my wife or their biodad and I really never had that as an expectation. I don't want to replace their father and respect his role. I do want to push her to be the parent pushing them when needed but not sure on how to approach this without it causing conflict. I would love to be child free but feel a tremendous amount of guilt by wanting to step back. At this point though, I think its whats best for all. I truly appreciate your feedback and agree that being a bonus dad is very much over romanticized. I will say I have overcome so much in my life...had many challenges..but being a stepdad and my current situation seems to be the largest challenge yet!
No matter how you approach it
No matter how you approach it, it's going to cause conflicy because you'll want to change the status quo. Remember, though, that conflict and fights aren't the same thing. A certain amount of conflict is required for change and growth, and most change and growth is a net positive.
There are two ways to approach it: either sit down and chat about how you no longer plan on pushing the kids but will go to her instead, or just start going to her when they don't do something. You can keep it non-confrontational:
"Hey dear, SD left her clothes in the dryer. I asked her once already to move them. Please tell her to do it now."
"Hey hun, SS left his dirty dishes in the sink. Please remind him to tale care of them."
The biggest part of this is YOU not stepping in and doing the chores on behalf of the kids. If dishes pile up, or clean clothes get tossed on the ground because they weren't put away, that's on your wife. Any argument she comes back at you with is just going to be one of frustration that you diffuse by saying:
"Darling, I told both the kids that they needed to do the thing and asked that you follow up with them. It not getting done is not my fault, but I am sorry that it has frustrated you."
As for the guilt, keep reminding yourself that it's not your responsibility to raise your wife and her XH's kids. You raised yours. You put in your time. You get to enjoy your time now. Your wife will eventually get there, too. She just isn't there yet. Her being a parent isn't a punishment; it was freely her choice to become a mother. You chose to be her husband, not the parent to her kids. Any guilt you feel needs to be reframed as "I chose to be a husband, not her co-parent."
Great Advice
Thank you for the advice. i will take some of your pointers to have a conversation with her. The challenge is she has feeling of "glass" so I know she will be hurt with me. But when I end up being the bad guy in her and the kids eye's....i just can't keep doing this.
Ha, so biodad is "very frugal
Ha, so biodad is "very frugal" is he?
I think YOU need to seriously cut back or stop the financial support of these kids. Why should YOU be shelling out so that the biodad gets to be frugal and save his money??
Yep
This has been a discussion of ours as well and that she needs to tell him that we can't be responsible for all medical bills....clothes, xmas, all this stuff. And its not like he's hurting but he is cheap. She is afraid to talk to him to because she worries he'll then put up a fight for more custody...I tell her he won't because he has a good arrangement and is too cheap to hire a lawyer.
"...she needs to tell him
"...she needs to tell him that we can't be responsible..."
Actually, she needs to tell him that SHE cannot be responsible. As the saying goes: Not your circus, not your monkeys.
The bottom line is that if you are not in the picture, bioDaddy needs to step up and do his part. Not stepdad.
Agreed
Agreed...with my disengagement this will also take place. I have told my wife I would talk to her ex when he needs to pull his weight but I am going to. There will be a discussion on her finances for the kids as well.
Not only that but the chances
Not only that but the chances of a judge changing custody is incredibly slim unless she did something utterly heinous ... Besides, if he were the (majority) custodial parent, wouldn't he be the one responsible for taking the kids to their appointments etc and then having to ask her to pay her share?
Exactly
Exactly what I tell her..... If they did go to court and it got ugly, she could actually get more custody of the kids....goes without speaking that I don't want that to happen either though. *biggrin*
Extremely frugal? Mmhmm.
Extremely frugal? Mmhmm.
Expenses for the skids are not your responsibility.
Q: What would your wife and biodad do if you weren't helping to foot the bill(s)?
A: They would either pay for things themselves or the skids would go without.
As a step parent, you are in NO way obligated to 'fund' the skids. That is up to their bio parents. Anything you decide to pay for is a gift.
Agreed
Believe me..the kids don't go without. When its hard to decide what to get them for xmas because they are never told "no" (I have no issue saying no but mom does) then its obvious they are well taken care of. I am lucky in that I have a very succesful career but agree with principle of dad needing to step up financially.
Then mom needs to purchase
Then mom needs to purchase gifts within her means.
Time to separate finances.
Time to separate finances. Decide the bills by percentage but don't let it be 50/50 since she has kids to support. They are taking you for granted. She is taking you for granted. Until she feels the pain of you not enabling her not to pressure her ex, why should she bother. Take that money you would spend on them and invest it. Save it for a glorious trip once they move out. Do something with it so it's difficult to access it right now. Kids can suck a wallet dry faster than anything if you allow it. Now I'm not trying insulting your manhood by saying you can't support them but the point is you shouldn't have to in the first place. They have two parents that get to decide how to raise them and if they can't afford it then the kids get told no. That's what intact families do. That's what poor people do. The kids still survive.
Also , you have the best of two worlds, married and "single" to pursue your hobbies, hang out with friends, chill in the man cave undisturbed.
Yep
I plan on having the discussion today. And to your point, I kinda do have it good with some time to myself.
I never announced I was
I never announced I was disengaging, I just slowly stopped doing extra things. If my husband specifically asks me for help I normally don't mind. The only thing I did vocalize is that if BM asked anything of him that would affect me I wanted to be consulted and to make a decisions as a couple.
Sometimes when the kids make a mess or leave their undies in the bathroom after showering I just close the door and use the upstairs bathroom until they leave. I also don't clean up after them he pays for a cleaning service every other week. They clean the common areas and bathrooms, back when SS was peeing everywhere but in the toilet I did not clean. I said hey SS made a mess can you give him a peeing tutorial or something. I am lucky that they aren't disgusting food hiding hoarders and try to pick up after themselves most of the time. Still.... sometimes I am annoyed but I think that comes from them not being my biological children. My kid is a tornado that leaves a path of destruction in any room he occupies and I don't feel as I annoyed as when the skids do it.
I also find things to organize or clean sometimes when the kids are here. If we go do family stuff it's because I want to not bc I feel obligated for the sake of my husband. I also see myself as a cool aunt, I care about them but i will give them back to their parent. I did take advise here and there from other posters until I found ways to create my own role in our family, which has changed over the years.
Separating finances after you have been commingling so long might be a little harder to have the conversation with your wife. I don't like to argue so I'd probably say that I need to start saving more bc I realized I'm not on track for the type of retirement I want. If skids have to do with out bc their two parents can't afford it that's too bad.
Thanks
Thanks for your reply. You bring up great points and my SD is a tornado as well. I can tell every room she has been in the house because she always leaves something...be it a sock or a wrapper or something else! The finance conversation is going to be rough but she makes a good living as well so it won't place a heavy burdeon on her. She does need to talk to her cheap ex though so he steps up.
Your post really resonated
Your post really resonated with me as I share a lot of your feelings - and I never saw myself posting on forums either but several years ago, I had reached a wall and didn't know what else to do. This has been a great release, and also interesting to go back and read when that wall starts looming - and have also received some great advice from people who have lived it too. I have been a stepmom (officially) for almost 10 years. My SD was 7 and my SS was 12 when I met them, and I have a son who was also 12 at the time. I think that helped a lot with building a relationship with my SS, as i was able to relate to him plus he and my son were friends prior to me and their dad meeting, so where SS is concerned things have not been too difficult. SD has been another story - in the beginning she loved me. My DH, like your wife, has always had a hard time saying no, or having many expectations or boundaries. SS has never been one to push, but SD grew up being led by both her parents to believe that things revolved around her. It was easier for me to overlook in the beginning, things were new and she was young, and I naively assumed that things would change when we got married and we would become a unified team of parents. I was wrong about that, haha
As SD for older, her behavior got more obnoxious, and seeing my DH jump to her demands was frustrating. I was also a SKid growing up, so taking from my experience I thought it would be best to stay out of things as much as I could, not try to discipline, or step in when she was disrespectful, or even put expectations on her. I eventually started going to DH with my requests, but he would get defensive- once he even told me she was his daughter and he was going to spoil her no matter what! Naturally our marriage started feeling a strain, and I actually ended up in a depression. Like you, I felt guilt about my negative feelings, but looking back, I feel like any reasonable person would have negative feelings about things that were going on. Especially if you don't feel appreciated or even have a voice. Try not to beat yourself up over that - you are a person too and allowed to have opinions and feelings about what goes on in your household.
My DH and I reached a point where we almost lost our marriage because I couldn't take things as they were anymore. By this time SD was a teen and the behavior was definitely not cute, and I felt like it was the one topic DH and I were on completely opposite sides for. DH actually suggested we go to counseling, and I have to say, it really did help. We were fortunate in that the counselor was a stepmom so understood the complications that are part of blended families. But mostly having a 3rd party guiding our conversation helped us see each other's perspective more. DH came to understand I wasn't trying to be against his daughter, and once he realized he didn't have to defend her, he realized we really both want the same thing - for her to be a respectful, functioning, happy member of the family. I was able to see that his defensive reaction about her was mainly fear - it seems a lot of divorced parents have that fear that their kids aren't going to want to be with then any more and they overcompensate. We started making an effort to put ourselves in each other's shoes, and have come very far in our ability to communicate when it comes to our kids.
My best advice would be for you to have an honest conversation with your wife about how you are feeling, preferably at a time when there hasn't been anything negative going on so that emotions aren't as high - and possibly look into visiting a counselor, at least for a few sessions. Our story is ongoing and still not easy, even with all our kids now adults and out of the home - but the years since DH and I have been able to start communicating have been much easier to navigate, and definitely haven't felt as lonely and isolating for me. I wish you the best!
Thank you
Thank you for sharing. There are some similarities with my SD but mostly she is very jealous if mom gives attention to anyone other than her. She is also very strong willed so I have to remind her that she is not an adult or has the say we adults have. I have worried as well about my marriage being able to weather the storm through the teen years. I have started to disengage but its tough. It seems I will do a lot of lip bitting as I will have to defer some of the bad habits and instead discuss with my wife to correct. I had no idea that being a stepdad was going to be so rough but I also understand its not easy for the kids as well as they have two different households with two very different set of rules. I actually feel for their stepmom at their dads house because the dad allows the kids to undermine in every way. If there is a bright spot for their stepmom its that she now has her own child with their dad and now can focus on her new bio. Thanks again for your thoughtful feedback!
Stop
Just stop parenting and paying for children that aren't your own.
You say that your partner is made of glass. I guess this means really sensitive. You need to sit her down and ask if she wants to avoid annoying her ex or her current partner. It is ridiculous that she expects you to pay for her inability to challenge the children's father.
On the household cores, leave them to your wife. If you can't bear seeing the mess build up, than put anything left lying around in trash bags and put somewhere out of sight. And finally, stop asking them to do anything. Address the issue with your wife and make her deal with it. If she has to act like a maid to her kids, that's her problem, not yours.
She is
She is extremely sensitive. However when it comes to the kids shes a bit different. She doesn't have it in her to hold them accountable. Example.....i went to the gym the other morning, when i get back to the house i walk in the kitchen and she yells "NO! NO! dont walk in there!" I could see she is visibly frustrated with me and I ask why I'm not supposed to walk in the kitchen. She tells me that something was spilled and doesn't want it tracked everywhere...needless to say I went silent on her that day because she saw me walk in the door and could have asked me not to walk in the kitchen way before I did. As I was reflecting on it during the day, I started to realize what happend. My SD spilled something out of the fridge but instead of getting upset with her I was the easy target. Later that day I confronted her about and asked, if you were so upset, why didn't you correct SD and have her clean it up? She did apologize and I know its because she's afraid to hold them accountable ....she always says shes afraid the kids are not going to want to come back...especially as they get older and have more say. I tell her that won't happen because kids inherintly look for where they can get the most. With their dad being so cheap, they always want to be around because they can get "stuff"....stuff stuff stuff...always need more stuff....
On a different note, when the kids leave stuff lying around I either toss it or put it in a Goodwill pile. I figure there are lots of kids out there who would appreciate their "stuff."
Welcome!
She has to learn how to deal with her children. So often it becomes a divided household of bios against steps, and we are the "bad guys", and get the attitude and are blamed for everything. Because we are the easy targets!
Your choice to disengage so that you can stop being a target is a wise one. But disengagement is different for everyone, and generally depending on your situation, is either very "burning platform" or more on the "disengagement lite" scale. Read around on here about the differing levels. Either you start with an in-depth quiet conversation with your wife when the kids are gone to dads, or you just do not speak of it, you do it. Either way, you are being made to be the source of their pain because you have tried to parent them.
You are simply acting as the head of your household, but you are not being supported in this by your wife, so you must let her be the parent and back off into your other activities. It sucks, but you are experiencing the backlash when they go to her.
As far as finances go, I agree with the others. YOU do not finance HER and BF children. Anything they need comes from the parents.
For me, I am disengaged. If skid needs winter clothes or anything, her parents get ti for her. There is a rare occasion when I do any pick ups or drop offs. I sometimes cook, but never clean. If there is something that she needs to do, it comes from her father. SD15 has betrayed my trust on numerous occasions but we have a friendly relationship otherwise. I keep it surface. I leave her alone. "ask your father" is my refrain. So you can do that more "go ask your mother" is your mantra. When dishes are left or anything, "sweety can you clean this or have Sd15 clean this".
In my situation, we have 50/50 and DH pays child support plus all medicals. And Im counting down the 2 years and 6 months to 18 and graduate high school. Plus driving. However Dh and Toxic Troll Bm do not have a good record of enabling their chidren - SD22 who lives with BM has no license, no job, and isnt in college, yet her life choices are now our fault. So watch out for your wife coddling and enabling and you may have to break the disengagement to battle over enablement.
Agreed on many fronts
I was thinking, as you mention, the different levels of disengagement and what will work for us. The thing is, and I feel guilty for saying this, I am finding myself being resentful. Its not a jealousy thing but instead because I am the outsider in my home. The daughter does of good job of playing victim too. For example, Wednesday she made popcorn. Well the kittens jumped on the counter and pull the popcorn to ground and made a mess. They were eating it as I was walking to my office. We have told the kids to be watchful of the kittens and not leave food on the counter as we don't want the kittens to develop bad habits. Well, as I walk out of my office, I say "I see you picked up the popcorn the kittens got into." thats all i said ....it was stated as an observation and i was not upset or didn't raise my voice. So next thing, I walk into the master bath to finish getting ready and when I walk out, I could hear mom upstairs comforting her and telling her "its not a big deal....its ok"....so when my wife comes downstairs I ask why SD was crying. My wife proceeds to tell me its because I got mad at SD and SD was upset because I got mad......this was actually the last straw for me that got me looking at disengaging.
Early Teens
Ive got 2 SDs and one is 15.5. I really hate 15 - and early teen girls are the worst as Ive seen and read.
Hormonal and emotional and just moody as heck, and then you have the whole "Im a child of DiVorCe" pity party to deal with (not in my case with sD15.5, but certainly with SD22).
I think in that case, it was SD being emotional teen. But all the other things ring true as well. The two house holds trying to be the 'better" one, the "funner" one.
Now, your wife should know that in MOST states, they are VERY pro Bio mother. She would have to be a homeless prostitute giving the kids meth (and getting caught) in a cockroach infested hotel with a boyfriend who was a convicted chid molester, and they are continually missing school and assignments and basically failing, and judges wouold still give her some custody time...so her fears are largely unfounded, from what Ive read, here and in groups.
And children do not get to choose who to stay with when there is a visitation schedule. Stay strong on that and that takes away the childs manipulation power.
Continue your disengagement explorations...it sounds like you are working through it from your comments.
For the nearly infinite
For the nearly infinite number of situations that can occur in a blended family there are many multiples of infinity ways to address them.
In your case, I would suggest taking the KIS approach. Keep it simple. Set the the standards of behavior for kids in your home and marriage and enforce those standards. If the kids choose to violate those standards, they choose to suffer the consequences of those choices. You decide the consequence and apply it.
Their choice, Stay on that message.
It works just as effectively with Xs, ILs, and anyone else who fails to stay in their place.
Like you, my SS-29 has had me as his dad for as long as he can remember. His mom and I married the week before he turned 2yo. He asked me to adopt him when he was 22yo. We made that happen. Even now he not infrequently shares with his mom and I that he appreciates that we raised him with enforced standards of behavior and performance. He three younger also out of wedlock Spermidiot spawned half sibs were not raised as he was and one is in prison, another is on the way to prison(it is only a matter of time), and the third is barely keeping her nose above water in her life. He also recognizes the positive influence enforced standards parenting has provided to his professional life. He bangs his head against the wall trying to lead the entitled poor performers to deliver effectively. He is very successful at it, but it drives him nuckin futz.
Welcome by the way. There are not nearly enough StepDads in the STalk community. We are half of the SParent population so it would reason that as many of us desire to vent and get support as the SMoms. I hope that you find this to be a good place to vent, contribute, and to pick up some useful advice and perspective from others who are living the blended family adventure.
Good luck.
Thank you for your reply
Thank you for your reply...I agree with your points. Part of our challenge is I believe in rules and accountability but just as important, I believe in praise as well. The majority of our issues are with the rules. I have some expectations for the stepkids on what they are responsible for around the house and at school. Its actual simple though, make sure they pick up after themselves, complete assigned chores, and get good grades (A students with maybe an occassional B). I'm at a point where I feel I'm the constant nag to ensure things get done...although they do get really good grades. I'm a firm believer in accountabillity because when the kids go out into the big world, they should have an understanding of how everythings works. I even tell them, "if you think I'm being hard on you, wait until you go out into the world where folks who don't care about you correct you or hold you accountable...they're not as forgiving." I don't know...perhaps I'm too old fashioned because when I raised my kids I never wanted to be their friend. I wanted to be their father and guide them, teach them, mold them, etc. I always told them they could make friends at school but my job was to put a roof over their heads, clothe them, make sure they have food....then when they get older and have their owne lives/house in order, we could be friends.
Anhow....long winded response but I do appreciate your feedback. To your point, when looking for resources or guidance on-line, I was not able to find much out there for stepdads.
Thanks and take care.
Step Dad Support
These are two Facebook Groups:
The StepDads Den
Step Dads Matter
And a website:
https://supportforstepdads.com/
Standards, enforcement, and yes.... praise for outstanding
Standards, enforcement, and yes.... praise for outstanding performance.
I agree with you on praise. +' is critical. Accentuate the positive. However, doing what they should do is IMHO not a praisworthy behavior. Significantly outperforming to the expectation is praise worthy.