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Step mon in society

Caroline2b1211's picture

Hi all, 

Today i'm not talking about my step situation, but how steps are perceived in the society. 
I had a long chat with some collegues at work about blended familly. Two of them are BM, and i'm the only Step one. 
It's extremely crazy how people are exigent towards step.

I have heard the "you choose someone with kids, you take the package" concept. Which i replyed "you choose to divorce and to rebuild your life with someone with no kid, you take the package too".

They were really surprised by this though. I'm 100% sure they don't even understand my purpose. 
Why mentalities are soooooo old ? 
 

Is it the same thing with you ?
 

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Winterglow's picture

I'm inclined to think that it's more to do with the general ignorance of the situation that makes people think that way. How many people can imagine how hard it can be when they've never lived it? Maybe time to educate them a little...

ESMOD's picture

I thinkthere is some truth to "you take the package"  because you can't separate a parent from the fact that they are a parent.. that means with minor children a financial and physical obligation to them.  What people don't necessarily get is the difficulty that there can be in practice.. that there are a lot of forces that make blending difficult and that there can be situations that are just not in any way NORMAL.. and while I might accept my DH has kids.. I don't expect to accept people to be hostile to me in my home.. to be destructive forces.

We also may not see going in how the loyalties of our spouses can be split and the lengths a parent will go to to curry favor with their children in a divorce situation.. the stress of a vindictive ex etc..

So.. yes..we do know what we have coming.. to an extent.. and certainly i DO see cases on here where the kids are wholly normal and the SM is the one who is being unreasonable.. but there are also situations with some really horrid skids and Ex's and those are the things you can't predict.. though in hindsight.. even many of those people saw the flags and ignored them.

nengooseus's picture

Personally, the "you knew what you were getting into" mantra has always bothered me.  I don't think there's a way to understand all the implications of coupling with someone, whether they have kids or not, and when you add another player (like a SM), the dynamic changes, almost by default. 

There's also no way to predict how anyone will respond to long-term stress brought on by a HCBM/BD.  And frankly, kids and their behavior changes over time, too--especially when they have a mentally unfit bio parent.

Yes, there are red flags and we often choose to overlook them, but sometimes the changes that come with time are so significant that there's simply not a way to predict human behavior.

AgedOut's picture

I'm both. BM and SM and I think there is truth to the package deal thing. Life becomes more complicated the more people are in the mix. When you marry/live w/ a person who has prior children and is active in those children's lives, you are choosing to accept and deal w/ that package. You have to temper your life to adjust. As a solo person (no kids) you live a freer type of life but add in a partner, things change. Add in a partner w/ children, things really change. Add in prior kids of your own, more change. Then add in hostile exes BMs/BDs and you've got a three ring circus at times.

The goal is to find a way to accept those changes that can be good and to work with changes that might not be. Good communication, same set of life goals, are both ways to find that balance. I don't think anyone, adults or children, should live in a home that becomes toxic or dangerous. Somethings are a given: mutual respect, politeness, etc. Other things take time and participation to find a balance. Sometimes the only balance you find is disengagement by the SP or by the SKs. When there are issues it isn't always the fault of BM or the SKs, sometimes it might even be the step parent to blame. As a household, you try to find a way to appease all and keep the harmony as a package deal.

 

Dogmom1321's picture

I hear the phrase "you knew what you signed up for" all to often. I personally feel this applies to Bio Parents too! What did they think would happen when they divorced? Did they expect the other person to never have another partner their whole life? Did they expect raising a child in two separate homes would not be difficult? Bio parents assume they will never have to take other people "outside" their relationship into consideration. I feel like that is why so many flip out when a new partner comes into the picture. I can agree to the whole "package" thing to some extent. But it also applies to BPs. I would ask some of these BMs what they would do in some hypothetical situations... ones that you are currently facing. They are truly ignorant to the facts of blended families. 

The_Upgrade's picture

That phrase is like "you knew I had a dog". But that alone tells us nothing - apart from the fact there is a dog. But is it dog a big dog, a small dog, does it shed fur constantly, does it randomly vomit on the carpet, is it a hypoallergenic breed, does it require lots of exercise, IS IT OBEDIENCE TRAINED?! 

Saying "you knew what you signed up for, i told you i had a kid" didn't mean you really knew. Heck, I signed up to be a mum and I had no idea what would pop out. Three years on and every day is a surprise (although a very pleasant surprise because she's my kid)

caninelover's picture

Exactly this.

My SO's kids were over 18 when we met.  I didn't assume he would never see them again after that but I did assume I wouldn't have to provide for their adult offspring.  Why is that not a reasonable expectation then to assume adult kids do not have to be part of the package of our daily lives together, i.e. they work and live independently?

The_Upgrade's picture

I guess it's different with younger dependent kids. There was no way I could have known that my DH's estranged daughter who lived full time with her mother and on the verge of adulthood would send him abusive messages every time we reached a milestone in our relationship. Granted, it was BM driving the bulk of it but most of the crazy behaviour ramped up when I got pregnant and SD was about to lose her title of DH's only child. It's not like I could've discussed pregnancy plans with his crazy ex beforehand. When I knew he had a daughter I just expected a weekly deduction of child support going down the black hole for another one and a half years.

caninelover's picture

My SO's child support was done by the time we met, so I didn't even have that expectation!

Yes I do think its different with younger dependent kids - which is why I didn't date anyone with younger dependent kids LOL.  I did not want that kid-care and interaction to be part of my regular life.  Bratty was already away at college when SO and I started dating - I don't think it was unrealistic to have more minimal expectations in that situation.

Esperanza's picture

Exactly this!!

MissK03's picture

LOLLL is it obedience trained?! 

The whole "you knew what you signed up for" line is so outdated and isn't valid in any situation. 
 

My SO dared to use that on me once years ago. Said to me "you knew I had kids." I said back.. "oh yeah you're right! I bet when you signed up to get married though you had no idea your wife was going to cheat, leave you, and not take care of your kids together and leave you responsible for everything.... if you knew that would you have signed up for marriage??'l 

He shut up quick. 

LittleCloud9's picture

I love this analogy SO MUCH!!! It's hilarious but so true! I am definitely going to use this one in the future. 

 

Caroline2b1211's picture

I do share the same point of view. Of course, when you engage yourself in a relationship with a men with children, you know that it won't be easy. 
Of course, you have to provide the skid a safe and respectful environment an not being hostile. Of course, you can be involved in education, you can share great moments and be active in skids life. That's what i did for many years. 

However, these laydies doesn't even realize how hard it is to compose with educationnal gap. When you choose a men with kid, you don't only take the package (Dad + Kids) but also endure all the BM (and extented family) educational background. And you can only discoverd what it is like when you are IN. when you have a bio mom who lets play GTA to a 9 YO child, how were you supposed to imagine that when you met DH many years ago? Almost impossible, unless you ask to met the BM *nea* 

Finaly, they were talking about stepfathers. One of them said "I tell him i didn't want a peripheral parenting style. He knew it and made his choise. Now he actively participate in MY kid education". I just think she asks too much for a step-parent. Just my opinion.

 

hereiam's picture

That phrase is like "you knew I had a dog". But that alone tells us nothing - apart from the fact there is a dog. But is it dog a big dog, a small dog, does it shed fur constantly, does it randomly vomit on the carpet, is it a hypoallergenic breed, does it require lots of exercise, IS IT OBEDIENCE TRAINED?! 

Then, I would find all of that out.

No, one cannot know every little thing that might pop up, but like ESMOD said, people do tend to ignore red flags. Or, they have not given it enough time or done their due diligence to find out what they need to know.

When you enter into a relationship with someone who has kids, you now not only have to get to know that person, but you have to get to know what kind of parent the person is, get to know the kids, find out what the ex is like, and all of the dynamics. All of this is going to affect you. It's not enough just to be told that they have kids and hope it all works out.

 

Esperanza's picture

These kind of comments really upset me ! 
I knew my DH had a child and I accepted that when I decided to marry him (comes with the package) but what I didn't sign up for is to have to deal with a useless BM ! Also when I get down or upset is not about my SS6 himself as a child but with his bad behaviours !

Esperanza's picture

These kind of comments really upset me ! 
I knew my DH had a child and I accepted that when I decided to marry him (comes with the package) but what I didn't sign up for is to have to deal with a useless BM ! Also when I get down or upset is not about my SS6 himself as a child but with his bad behaviours !

Ispofacto's picture

Our society has become wayyy too child centric.  Back when I was a kid there were only a few divorced families and the adults were of the opinion that the little chits should behave themselves.

Now it seems like wants have become needs and children are spoiled all around.  Extreme coddling.

 

advice.only2's picture

Imagine if you said the same thing to people every time they had an issue in life?

"My husband made me so mad last night..."
"YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING INTO!"

"My son is really sick and I'm worried..."
"YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING INTO!"

"My boss just totally degraded me in front of..."
"YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING INTO!"

Caroline2b1211's picture

Your post make me so laugh ! 

Yes, i just imagine how could look this mantra in a young mom meeting ! 
"It's so hard to feed him at night" 
"It's so hard to be sleep deprived" 
-> HOW DARE YOU ! YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE A CHILD ! 

Yes, for an unknown reason, step mother and step parents in general are harshly judged !

TheAccidentalSM's picture

When I get that stuff from bio parents, I half jokingly say - "Life style choice"

LittleCloud9's picture

Like all the above I loath it when I hear someone say "you knew what you were signing up for!" 
it's ignorant. It's dismissive. And it's a double standard. People choose to get married, or have a baby and NO ONE SAYS THAT CRAP TO THEM WHEN THEY SAY HOW HARD IT IS!!! But if we say "Skid is really being difficult" or "family court is stressing me out" we basically get told to shut up and not complain. 
I want to scream at those people "NO I DIDN'T KNOW! No one who has never been a step really understands how difficult this life will be!" On top of that every step family is so different it's impossible to really get it until your in the middle of things! Some have fairly smooth co-parenting situations, others it's crazy desperate fight to protect the remaining mental health of an abused and manipulated child.  I have known plenty of people, some family members even, who grew up in step families. That didn't do anything to prepare me for the day the police and family services showed up and said "This child needs to live here now his mother has been arrested and is not to be around him anymore." 
 

advice.only2's picture

Right! My DH was at work and called me to say he needed to pick Spawn up from the police station because Meth Mouth had been arrested. We were both in so much shock, like what? I got many a "well you knew this could happen." ummm who the eff ever thinks the ex is going to turn into a raging meth addict?

TheAccidentalSM's picture

I knew my DH had kids and I knew I didn't want to be more than a distant friendly aunt figure so we dated and lived seperately for over a decade.  We got married and still kept seperate houses.  Then when YSS was nearly finished school we finally decided that the risk of having a skid want to live with dad was over so we bought our place together.  

BAM

Nearly immeditely, the sh*t hit the fan and YSS moved into our new place.  And then I found this site and became TheAccidentalSM.  Because until he moved in with us I was at 2 steps removed from any drama. And I had planned and lived for years to avoid this problem so hence thinking of it as an accident.