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Naina's picture

Me and my friend have been reading up a lot on this site to help her out and it has made quite a difference regarding taking a decision. After all the reading there are some thoughts which I hope don't offend anyone because it's just an opinion and I am sorry if it still causes any pain.  Just an opinion purely from Gen z perspective hope it can help you with your kids or steps.

First I seriously think most of you are married to not really good men. I mean they are not necessarily bad people but are not good husbands. Also after talking to men I have come to a realisation that men treat marriage as part of their life(important) but not their entire life but women make marriage their entire life (mostly).

Secondly I think the world has changed quite a bit since you were teens and kids to today's time. I am from Gen z too and still see some differences. Recently I read some articles about how millennials want to be better parents than being in a marriage. A lot of structure and boundary that you guys were raised in don't exist anymore.( Literal trends going around tik tok that cuddle your dad and record his reaction, sit in your mom's lap and record their reaction and most of them are having positive reactions)There are no designated roles and authority figures mostly. Relationships have become more fluid and flexible. Now it's not necessary that your husband/ wife should be your companion for life. Some people live with their parents, with friends , dogs anything that works for them. More and more parents are friends with their Adult children.  For most kids today it's right vs wrong it doesn't matter if it comes from someone older to them but if they believe it's wrong then it's wrong. Children now are actually treated as equals after a certain age. Issue of entitlement sure is there but I think that percentage remains more or less equal in all generations also I don't think all kinds of entitlement is bad. I mean if women didn't believe they were entitled to equal rights there wouldn't be feminism. We also don't believe in respecting someone because of their age or because of what position they hold that goes on to say we are not disrespectful to them for no reason but we like to be indifferent like don't rock my boat I won't rock yours.

Thirdly I have read a lot of biological basis in answers and I agree you'll love your bio kids more than your step kids that's biology, but then biology also proves that you'll love your kids the most in the world. Our bodies release dopamine when we feel we love someone ( romantic) but biologically and evolutionarily it's your body's message to have kids and then we are hardwired to protect and love our kids at any cost. Biology usually doesn't care about emotions ( sad but very true) it just want the world to keep going.

Fourthly I do believe divorce in many situations is healthy for both the parties and if you are miserable then you should leave. But the natural family system is parents then kids it's easy to have your loyalties straight in this system but when the family forms with kids already present there first loyalties usually get fucked up because there can be ex wives, ex husbands but no ex father , or ex son etc. I am not saying these marriages don't work they do but it's really really hard considering it's not natural course of events. Divorce takes away power from the kids it makes them feel Powerless so they will assert their power in whatever way it's possible because that's how they feel secure their parents failed to provide them with a secure house and a secure relationship so they tend to act out even as adults. It's very tough for all the parties involved. Also they won't learn anything about relationships by seeing model behaviour of stepparents because they already know relationships don't last for a lifetime after mom and dad. Our lens to relationship is from Netflix and social media agreed it's  very unhealthy but I think people are really stepping up and taking positive strides towards relationships atleast from what i am observing.

Lastly I feel enmeshment and mini wives  these terms are way too overused here some people are just close. And if more men are raised better then I think the rates of first divorces would cut down significantly. Also always meet the ex partner of your SO because you just hear one side of the story you don't know the complete truth which is somewhere in the middle of both the narratives.

With this I would like to thank all of you for great insights about the step situation. I sincerely hope things become easier and happier for you all.

 

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tog redux's picture

Some of what you say is spot on, but some - not so much. Just because your generation is doing things a certain way doesn't make it healthy. Parents being friends to kids doesn't work in any generation. Kids running the home leads to kids who don't learn life skills. Friends with adult kids? Sure. But I don't allow my friends to just walk into my house and do laundry or eat my food, so there is no reason that adult kids should be allowed to do that - in a step situation. I did do that with own parents in an intact family, but that's different.

I do agree, that many people on here have terrible partners, favor their bio kids,expect too much out of their stepkids, and don't see how challenging stepfamilies can be to the kids, too. But, at the same time, most people on here are dealing with extremes - personality disordered BMs who are hell-bent on destroying the other parent's relationship with the kid, fathers who are unable to even begin to parent, or kids who are really damaged and completely unlikeable.

Also, I will add - when you are the age of many of us, and have experienced more of life - you will feel differently too about how the younger generations do things. I don't think all young people are bad, and some changes are for the good, of course. But ALL generations have their areas of dysfunction and unhealthy behavior, yours included. 

The_Upgrade's picture

I don't need to meet the ex wife thanks. After the vitriol she has spewed towards my husband via phone calls, emails, text messages and her mini-me messenger, I doubt she'll treat me much better. This March marks the first twelve months in almost 7 years that we've gone without any communication (demands for money) from her. Why would I want to poke that hornet's nest now for her side of the story?

tog redux's picture

Exactly. The ex's true colors, for good or for bad, will come out one way or the other, no need to sit down with her.  If I had done that, I'm sure she would have indeed told me that my DH was the real problem, since that's what she believed. But with time, I saw the nasty emails, the lies to court/therapists, the alienation of SS, and I knew he was telling me the truth about her.

Naina's picture

Sure your call but if I would be at your place and got to know before any major commitment that the ex of my partner is so high conflict and she'll be in touch no matter what because of the kids then I'll run away from this mess. I can always love again if not love I'll atleast have peace.

tog redux's picture

In many cases this is good advice. In others, if the partner is willing, strong boundaries can keep the high conflict ex from affecting you too much. Also, some of these exes don't really ramp up until you are pretty committed to the relationship. 

Naina's picture

One of the really good advices that I have got was judge a man by his son or a parent by their kids and I strongly believe it. Kids imitate their parents and if I see habits and attitudes that I find objectionable then I will be somewhat sure that it came from one of their parents and this child will be influenced by their parent for a long long time until they have some magical epiphany there's always a possibility in the future that your partner won't correct it or is tired of correcting them or has not corrected then until now and since you obviously have no control over it becomes a freaking mess. I believe that if I marry someone I will be extremely logical and all my love will take a backseat I will see the financials, medical history, parents, siblings, extended family, friends everyone I will meet and spend time with them one on one, see if my goals match this person down the line, what values do we share are they compatible, how we decide to have relationship with both sides of the family, everything down to the dot and if anything happens that creates a conflict then it's off because I believe love is not enough it's definitely very important but not enough, romance and love takes a backseat when life happens and then compatibility takes over. I know I sound extremely shallow but better be shallow than sad. I know after doing all these things still life can happen and unexpected things can happen which might derail my life but I atleast I'll know that I tried and if I am ever in a step situation then I'll keep my relationship out of my house atleast till the kids grow up and experience the same love with someone and I will expect the same from another party. Being single and happy is way more rewarding than being in a relationship and miserable.

tog redux's picture

I would not have stayed in many of these situations on here. If BM or SS had targeted me, and DH did nothing about it, I'd have left.  If he was a crap parent who treated his son like gold and allowed him to disrespect me, I'd have been gone too. So I don't disagree that many people on here have put love, and fear, ahead of logic. 

The_Upgrade's picture

Do you recommend only women to go out and interview their prospective partner's exes or for men as well? I don't know how I'd feel if DH called my ex bf and asked him for his side of the relationship breakdown story. That's my past and that has nothing to do with my current relationship. In any case I have no children with the ex so it's not like he's got anything to do with my life now. And that brings me to the next point - if you're recommending we go out and seek what amounts to as character references for people we're interested in, why must we do it only if stepchildren are involved? Why not do it for all prospective partners? I know - because we'd come off as a nutjob if we told someone "Hi, i'm really into you. Do you mind forwarding me your ex's number so I can reach out and see where you went wrong in your last relationship?" 

Naina's picture

If I am deciding to marry someone then yes I would like to know where they are coming from but mostly I'll judge the family, friends, people he's close to he'll definitely hang out with people he shares interests and ideologies with. I don't usually go for exes maybe sometimes sneakily, through common friends and just plain talking to people who knew them as a couple I don't directly ask questions but I talk around it but yes if the kids are  involved then yes the ex too. Believe it or not but when you marry someone you marry that entire family and the baggage that comes with it. Dating is a different ball game all together that is done to see if I am compatible with that person  and now after first stage am I compatible with your family and living situation and I'll give solid time to that and then decide to get married. I strongly believe love isn't enough. My parents will meet everyone. They are many things that I'll skip that they'll notice and after deep analysis I'll marry. I know sounds very transactional and business like but marriage is transactional it's not unconditional. Just like wedding vows if you fulfill your vows I'll fulfill mine,if you don't I won't either. Very transactional.

tog redux's picture

What makes you think you'd get an honest story out of the ex? You'd trust the ex more than the person you are dating? 
 

I'd dump someone who spoke to an ex behind my back to get a character reference. They are judging your character, too, you realize?

Naina's picture

I am all honest and they can judge me all they like. I have to make sure if I have kids they have a good father this is for them. My approach toward it is extremely friendly and familial. For instance the guy I am seeing right now is Australian and I have already met the parents , siblings, friends, cousins spent time at his home, lived there and he has done the same with me.I still have some issues and I am working towards it but until those are resolved with absolute certainty there's no marriage in question. The talking to ex is involved if there are kids in the picture. It just gives perspective. If kids are present that ex will be a part of my life too so the compatibility with that ex is very important. These are not first date questions these are after I have lived with SO for a considerable amount of time and noticed all the patterns. I agree that the ex can lie to me but if she's involved in his life then she'll be involved in mine too hence the meeting. Also I'll tell them if and when I would like to meet the ex in reference to the kids and if they have a problem with that then it's a conflict on values. Like in the current situation I do know about the ex and why they broke up but since no kids in picture no need to talk to the ex.

tog redux's picture

No offense, but you are quite naive about how that will work. At least in many situations. You aren't dating the ex. 

Naina's picture

I don't ask much of her but I do have to see how much she will effect my life if it's close to negligible it's fine, if she's cordial to me and her ex, does she think we'll for her kids. Can I stand her? These things are important. I am not dating ex but she's still family to those kids who I might be giving half siblings so I'll be related no matter how much I don't want to. This is not a one day job it'll take months and months of work and living together and seeing all the situations first hand( I'll give it one year, research shows people living together usually show their true side within six months) I will try my best to not get caught between the wrath of the exes. I'll also hang out with the kids or just in their presence to see how that dynamic plays out. Now all these things if I actually like the guy and decide to marry him. Sometimes it's hard because you really love the person but then I love myself the most so no I want my security first.

tog redux's picture

Good luck on the dating scene. Seems you are looking for the perfect situation, which doesn't exist. I'm not opposed to getting to know someone and carefully vetting them before you marry, but your expectations are unrealistic. 

Naina's picture

I don't believe that relationships can be perfect but I do want security for me which includes my family and in the future my kids. The guy I am seeing now is pretty much on the same page as of me I'll also compromise on certain aspects as I don't wish to cause trouble for him and his family I also don't wish to come first in a relationship all the time I definitely want to be one of his priorities and be very important to him but I believe circumstances and situations decides who gets priority at that time. I really like him and love him hope it works out we both are trying our best. Thank you for listening my blabbering for a while. I hope I didn't waste a lot of your time. You've been really nice to me. Thank you.

Naina's picture

Hey also India has a setup called arranged marriage it has its own cons which are laced with patriarchy and double standards but if we remove the cons of it then pretty much a lot of these things that I mentioned to you are considered when getting two people married. Both the families are heavily involved with each other actually they know each other first and then the potential couple is set up and asked to court and see if they are compatible. This is what the modern version of arrange marriage looks like earlier families didn't use to ask their child , if they thought it was a perfect match for them they would go ahead with it which still happens in more conservative areas and is grossly unethical but the modern version seemsto work for people who aren't into casual dating and are looking to get married.

Naina's picture

I agree we have our share of dysfunctions hell we have a world which is at a brink of chaos at any moment. I don't know if today's parenting is healthy or not that time's gonna tell. I have seen people who have same kind of upbringing but different results. My dad used to say that he's my parent friend and that he decides when he's my parent and when he's my best friend worked out well for me and my sister we are doing good in life. Some decisions my parents took some wee took and some were majority wins. Also agree when I'll be about your age I will find faults in the young generation that's very natural everyone thinks their method is the best but seeing the world conditions right now I don't think our generation would be fortunate enough to reach your age.

tog redux's picture

I don't think parents need to be friends with kids. I think you can be kind, have fun, be a support and enjoy your kids without calling yourself a "friend".  You don't need friends, you have lots of them, I'm sure. Parents are different from friends.

And as a Gen X, I am sorry for the world we are handing to all of you, I'm glad I don't have kids to hand it to. I'm hopeful that we can make some improvements in the economy and the climate, but who knows. 

I'm also fine with families not being just a married couple, but being unmarried people, same sex couples, grandparents, whatever - but healthy boundaries are needed regardless of family structure.

Naina's picture

Thank you for being so nice and considerate in answering me. I guess we do have a disagreement but I respect your opinion.

tog redux's picture

I respect yours as well - I personally hope that the millenials and younger can right the failures of Gen X and the Boomers. I employ a lot of very motivated millenials, and have a close relationship with my Gen Z nieces (but I'm not their friend, even though they confide in me, I'm their aunt, which is different).  You guys are bringing to light a lot of important issues that need to be addressed, as young people do in every generation, and I hope you succeed.

Also - you can learn from us, we do know a thing or two.  Smile

Naina's picture

I personally like to talk to people your age your experiences on things help me to learn a lot and to avoid mistakes if any, plus it's just intresting listening to how others view the world.

Winterglow's picture

" I don't think our generation would be fortunate enough to reach your age."

FWIW, I think every generation for the last 100 years or so has felt that way Smile

Survivingstephell's picture

Seems to me ( Gen X here) that you have a missing hole in your " education" that might explain a lot of the troubles you see here and that is on personality disorders and mental illness.   When you have those factored into some of the situations, you can't just explain it away so easily.  They can be genetic, systematic and just all around hard to get away from if you are unaware of how they work in a family system or been exist.   
As for parent friends,  have 3 adult daughters and as they have aged, my role in their life has changed.  Are we best friends? Nope,  I raised them to be independent people who can go find their own paths, and I take joy in knowing they are capable women making their own way in the world, not being held back by a parent who can't let go.  Some deep study into history will show you how family structures have changed since the Industrial Revolution and not for the better in a lot of ways.  Science shows that the brain is not fully developed until 25 ish.  Children are not capable of ruling the world or the home.  
Thanks so much for sharing your insights but as Tog  said, once you have decades of life experiences to draw upon, you will see things differently.   

 

Naina's picture

I have a bachelors in computer sciences so my approach to human psychology cannot be 100% accurate but I did a job in a hospital with patients with severe mental illness so I have seen some major stuff but I agree I don't know how people deal with it personally I am sure it must be extremely tough. I am not accusing your generation of anything I am just giving a generalized pov of my gen. I am absolutely not going to say we are saints and do no wrong we have our share of fuckups too it's just we see fuckups of your gen too. Also family system is also an acquired concept of the west even marriage, people used to live in tribes before that. If you put it that way they were more considerate of nature and were happier(collectivist societies tend to be happier mostly exceptions can be there ofcourse) things change, cultures change, they evolve for better or for worse who knows but it happens. I also believe that every family in the world have some sort of dysfunction no family is completely functional and perfect now in an intact family it's usually goes unnoticed but in a blended family it causes issues.

GrudgingSM's picture

I don't think Step Talk represents all blended families. In the situations where it's working, I don't think those people need to come here. Most people here have high conflict birth parents who try and alienate kids, who threaten (either custody or physical h arm), and a host of other serious issues. Enmeshment would be overused if looking at average blended families, but again, this is a self-selecting Group of people who have found themselves in more extreme situations. 
 

Also, I was raised to be my moms friend. I knew about her sexual assault when I was still in elementary school, I heard all about her dating/sex life in high school, and I knew waaaaaaay too much about my parents' marriage but it was important to her that I hate him. When I was young this made Me feel trusted, mature, and responsible. But now as a parent, I can't imagine doing this to my kid. Which, btw, means that boomers had shite for boundaries too. 
 

I don't always agree with the advice here but I always learn from it. Some of the boundaries may overly firm to you, they do to me too, but as someone raised without any, I'm so grateful to have the voices here as a model.

Naina's picture

I am sorry you had to go through it so I  agree extremes of anything is harmful. Little kids should not know adult troubles but some teens mature faster so I guess it's different for everyone. I for one when got to know my mom's issues with her in-laws( my grandparents) when I was 16ish I could see why she did what she did. Why she taught us certain things. I remember I saw my dad cry once never in my life did I see that man break down but that time. First I was very uncomfortable because I didn't know how to handle it I never saw it but then I just held his hand and sat next to him and without me asking he told about his stress and insecurities and now since I am aware of it I make sure I am always there to help him out and have his back. It helped me see them as flawed individuals who are trying their best instead of just being my parents (Little off topic but I found it on the board I find it strange  that if your parents need help kids loan them and ask for money back I could never do it they raised me, fufilled all my desires, made me the person I am today and I ask them money that I lend them it's so unfair to them. When we were kids they were responsible for us but when they are getting old we are responsible for them that's what I believe even if it means I eat less or I have to cut down on my expenses and if I am married I would do the same for my husband's parents.)

GrudgingSM's picture

I also want to say a lot of what we are all sharing our anecdotes about a personal experience. In regards to your situation, I don't know if I would ask for money back from my son, but I haven't been in that situation. I've also never asked for money from my parents, so I don't know. And everything else here on step talk is part venting, part advice, part of community that's sharing in some hard times. It sounds like your friend may have made her decision, but if you're looking for more resources, The best source of actual data on second families is a book by Dr. papernow. There are parts of it that may be dry, but it includes actual longitudinal studies of second families and the step experience. The data also suggest that divorce is higher in second families, but that if couples make it past the adjustment period, which can be anywhere from 2 to 7 years, that those marriages tend to stick and in fact have a higher rate of success than first marriages. So if she's somebody would would like some data and not just anecdotes, that's the book I'd recommend. Another great one that gets recommended a lot is step monster. It's step monster or another book that also acknowledges that most of the data on blended families comes from middle-class white families. If your friend is looking for support in a queer relationship or someone who is BIPOC and looking for other examples of kinship systems that her blended experience might more closely model, I don't really know where to find those things, but they may be out there. We tend to refer to stepping out of step kids lives as disengaging here, but the other common one is Nacho-ing.  There's a site that has a podcast, and it may be worth listening to to get a few other stories. I think those tend to be more middle of the road experiences.

also, as you mentioned, Gen Z might have a more fluid idea of gender roles in the home. So your friends experience might not be the same as many users here experience where a man is looking for someone to do all of the domestic work and caretaking work for children that aren't theirs. I'm not trying to slam on step kids with that comment, but it's one of my hard and fast rules that I do no laundry for step kids, no dishes for step kids. In part because I think they're old enough to do those chores themselves and learn that responsibility, but also I'm not looking to be a nanny or a maid. I'm looking to be an equal partner. Again, with generations and their differences, that might not be an issue for Gen Z, and all the men might be woke as hell and wearing their feminist T-shirts while they scrub toilets, but I think that's why stepmother's often tend to have a worse go of it than stepfathers. I hope your friend knows she can have boundaries around her time and energy and what part of the blended experience she wants to take part in. I suggest talking about what a blended holiday looks like, what chores look like, what giftgiving looks like, vacations, how finances will be set up, though I personally recommend separate. But if she's got a good partner, none of these topics should feel threatening, and she should get to say no to whatever she wants.

Thefatherismyfamily's picture

I have a lot of opinions about your generation as well however I'm not going to post it on this site since it's not the place for it. I guess that's the wisdom age  provides. 

Naina's picture

Wow you seem offended when I just gave an opinion as someone from my generation and also accepted faults in ours and you can have yours nothing is written in stone. But I'll still not generalise this opinion of yours to your generation I guess that's how accepting our generation is of different opinions . 

Thefatherismyfamily's picture

I'm not offended lol. Maybe that shows where you are in terms of your post??? 

Naina's picture

I like engaging people. It's Sunday so no work too. I also hyperfocus so I don't usually rest until I find satisfaction. People have a choice to not reply and not engage with me. You can go ahead and show them with an example on how to.

KC is not the stepmother's picture

It's good to see another perspective.  I'm married to a man who has an adult daughter who has been a train wreck for the 11 years I've known her. She has 3 kids by 3 men.  My husband has been married twice before and I got to know his first wife very well before she passed away fairly young. From knowing her, and knowing she'd be a part of our lives as his daughter's mother for the rest of her life, I could confirm my husband's description was spot on.  I won't ever meet his 2nd wife and no reason I need to.  They were married 4 years and no ongoing connections. 

I respect young people but I don't see a young person living at home as an equal.  If you want to be seen as an equal go establish your own home.  If you're a dependent then you're not an equal, I don't care how old you are. It does seem like some young adults these days don't view Failure to Launch the same as the rest of us?  Maybe your parents don't care and enjoy your company.  Step parents generally do not feel the same. 

Naina's picture

Its great that you have a guy you can trust so happy for you. I also accept your pov that parents can hangout with you because they enjoy their company but stepparents not so much. This sounds reasonable. I recently read a survey that no matter what age divorce is always traumatic for children they develop life long psychological issues maybe that's why they act out.

Naina's picture

Failure to launch thing, yes it has changed drastically I mean sure a lot of people want to do good in their careers but the work environment has become extremely flexible like they can work from home, they can freelance etc. Also parents have become very flexible and considerably lenient with their kids which doesn't drive them out of the house and parents don't have problem with their kids living with them or sharing the house. I think this is a shift in culture. I am a software engineer .I earn good and so do many of my American friends from different fields some live with their parents, some with friends, cousins, some are couples who live alone, some couples live with parents lots of variations. The shaming related to living at home with parents doesn't happen anymore. The rents are high, wages are low the incentive to move out of the house has become considerably low. 

DHsfamilyfromhell's picture

You remind me of my younger self. The person I was before sleepless nights of bringing up four bio children, and experiencing the anxiety step of hell. 

You appear very intelligent, but I wonder if you have ever been in love? 

Naina's picture

Thank you that's very generous of you. I am currently in love but I do have an extremely practical approach to life I usually don't let my emotions take over me if I have to make an important decision I shut down my emotions almost completely and then whatever the result nmaybe good or bad I stand by it and take complete responsibility for it.

Harry's picture

To know what went wrong with there relationship,  they would still be together.   You are only going to get is the ex's colored side 

Naina's picture

Maybe you are right. I do feel the need to see the ex if a child is involved but I can be wrong. Nevertheless she'll be in the picture I would like to see how much impact she can have and how much I can take.

tog redux's picture

That's reasonable. But be advised, high conflict people can look very normal at first. Sometimes the crazy doesn't come out until after you get married or have your first child. 

NotYourAverageStepMama's picture

So I am not much older than you, BUT I have to say I disagree with A LOT of what you are saying. I read some of the comments on your post, but definitely not all. I will comment on some of the items I disagree with. If you worked in a position of employment however, that was responsible for hiring gen z and younger, you might disagree with much of your post even, I will even add gen y to the equation.

While sure in the beginning when a child is under 10, this method of parenting may have good results, when MOST of these children raised with the ideals you are proposing, become teenagers/young adults many many issues will arise with respect, responsibility, etc. I say most because children that are good natured will probably continue on that path, but the rest that do not have that on their side, probably will go a whole different direction. When you realize that has happened it is TOO late to do anything about it because the moldable years for the child have already come and gone. I have both seen and know MANY people who hire/interview gen z and I have heard much about the work ethic, maturity, responsibility, goals, etc. have declined dramatically because it has become LESS about being a parent and providing structure, stability, and life lessons and more about just making the children happy. Trust me making children happy is very important, but to be a good parent you cannot just abandon your job as a parent to raise an upstanding member of society.

Only other two comments I will make is you DO NOT need to meet the ex-spouse or partner of your spouse/partner. I do not need to hear my husband's ex's lies and victim act. YES it would be an act and YES it would be lies and I have seen enough factual evidence without talking to her to know this. There is DNA proof that woman is a disgusting horrible human being. Unless it was an amicable separation where both parties move on, it will become a high conflict situation (if it is not already) and not only does that hurt the adults, but mainly the children involved.

I do agree that if someone disrespects me than I will not have respect for them either. HOWEVER, a child does not get to choose who to respect prior to becoming an adult. As a child you should absolutely respect those in the household, family, school, etc. the list goes on, basically any adult.

I am married to a wonderful man, but he respects me, our marriage, and puts up boundaries with his ex as he should. I am not even going to go into the whole marriage thing and why child centric marriages are not a good idea.

Just wanted to add my opinion on the topic since it seems you believe majority of the users on here are 40 years +.

Naina's picture

I believe there are 4 types of parenting authoritarian, authoritative, permissive and uninvolved. My parents were the second kind they were friends with me they did set rules but I was given the reasoning behind every rule that we had as we grew up and suggested some modifications it was talked out and usually my parents would see how it worked on a trial basis if it showed positive results good enough if not things were changed.My dad always said logic wins in our house. Now the disrespect thing if I have a teacher who is racist towards me I won't respect them irrespective of their age or authority. Respect is earned period. I would want to meet the ex to see how much of an influence she'll be having on my life because of the kid that is important to me. I have not been an employer but I am an employee and I have seen many hardworking people and many useless people working in my company irrespective of their generation and also at the places that I interned. I guess since the population is increasing there will be more number of people who will lack a good work ethic or even a good personality( ratio will be more or less the same) but saying that every coming of age generation has an IQ level higher than the previous generation ( this is proven also is the basis of evolution)the iq level  that was considered below average in previous generations comes under retardation in our generation and certainly the generation that comes after us will be having a higher now than us, now are we using it properly I cannot say for sure, a percentage of people aren't using any iq or eq and they usually are like the skids here on the board so I guess it's very situational. I also agree to some of  the parenting points that it's not necessary for kids to be happy all the time they should blearn basic life skills and manners. But yeah we have many many dysfunctions in our generation and a really long way to go and we'll need all the generations above us to help us figure out because they have an experience in life.  Thank you for your perspective it was very informative.

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Very intresting article and I stand corrected thank you for that. I am from a developing country working in a developed country so I hope my situation is different. But from what I have gathered the studies are pinpointing the results ( I just read the Norwegian survey,the one mentioned in the article) the major cause lies in education system and access to education. Since the world has changed so much with so much technical advancements the education system that was formed a century ago doesn't work for the students now. Also more the number of people more the number of people with less intelligence. The article also said that low IQ people having more kids that's bringing down the average iq wasn't proven hence ruled out as a possibility. So I guess the education system needs to be worked on although education system is pretty much bad in every country right now.

The article states

The causes in IQ increases over time and now the decline is due to environmental factors," said Rogeburg, who believes the change is not due to genetics.

"It's not that dumb people are having more kids than smart people, to put it crudely. It's something to do with the environment, because we're seeing the same differences within families," he said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/i...

 

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I just want to say I have enjoyed this thread, I'm gen X.  Hearing perspectives from new generations is always good.  ALL generations have differences and fights on how life is done best.  Older generations criticize younger ones, and vice-versa.  I think we can ALL learn from eachother if we stay open and receptive.  There's some good ideas.  There are also good/bad things from different cultures.  I have lived overseas and been inmersed in latin culture most of my life even though I"m a US citizen (born here and live here now again).  I do find a lot of fault in the US individualistic culture, it's a very lonely and selfish world to be honest.  I think that could be part of the reason we are so unhappy and on more mood stabilizing pills then any other nation in the world it seems.  It has it's good, for sure just like other cultures.

Personally I know this isn't my end place.  We are planning a move to Mexico in some years if we are lucky.  I absolutely adore the Mexican culture/heritage and their people.  They have their faults I'm sure too, a lot of machismo in the culture that still has to be corrected-but when I count it's faults I still think I will be more satisfied then I am here.  I just don't 'click' anymore in my own country if that makes sense.  It's ok to search for better/different in our adventure of life.