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joe b's picture

Having a big issue in my marriage that has haunted us for 2+ years. We are married eight years. This is my Second Marriage. First wife died at young age leaving me with two girls 11 & 16. Four years later I meet a wonderful soulmate and we marry.She has a BD.
My oldest (at the time 19) is resentful and not really accepting my choice to remarry,the youngest develops a strong bond initially. Family issues & adjustments continue to stress the "melding" of the families and I can't say things were perfect as arguements did abound between my wife & I---but my youngest begins to lose that initial bond as she goes off to college & and comes home to the arguments-and -which she has admitted drew the two of them apart. Oldest daughter has child & marries. youngest off at college finds her mate & wedding plans begin.
Meanwhile, some things are said & done that stresses the relationship between my wife & youngest(as well as future son-in-law)that are considered disrepectful by my wife.

OK Now the problem---or the straw that breaks the thread between them all---
oldest leaves husband & big fight ends up wife attacked by oldest & oldest says things that are uncalled for & thus ties cut. After 4 years the oldest agrees she owes my wife an apology that she was wrong---but procrastinates doing that via phone.
For the next---
Wife's mother slipping into Alzh. & adds more stress.
youngest asks wife to be there with her prior to wedding ceremony--like taking her Biomother's place.
Wife says no because she wanted to go vist her mother prior to wedding dressed & indicated that she would come to the hotel room just prior to ceremony.
Youngest hurt, says something nasty to wife and hell freezes over solid.
For two years I've been trying to get things ironed out between everyone so the relationships become bearable and I don't have to rehash the disrespect issue over & over again everytime tensions between my wife & I flair up. Youngest feels she was hurt would like some apology. Wife wants apology from her for what she said---but feels she owes no apology to youngust for her decision not to be there as asked--feels she did no wrong.

Stuck in the middle--HELP ---am I wrong thinking my daughter has a point with her position? Should I tell her that she has no right to that position or expecting an apology from my wife?
Because since I have not done this --- my wife feels I'm supporting my children as my first priority & not her. Furthermore she feels by my continuing communicate with them and thier lack of communication with her---I am allowing them to be disrepectful to her.

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Totalybogus's picture

I disagree with Maux. I think that a wedding is a very significant event. If mom wasn't in immediate danger of dying or there wasn't some significant change in her condition, I think the wedding would supercede the visit. The visit could be any time AFTER the ceremony. I really don't blame your daughter for being disappointed. Her own mother is dead and your wife is the closest thing she has to having her own mother.

I really think some family counseling would be good for you all along with some marriage counseling. It doesn't seem like your relationship with your wife is very stable at all. It sounds like you guys argue all the time and the added stress of having children from prior relationships is a heavier burden because of it.

Minnow's picture

Just for the record Totalybogus, I am Joey B's wife as you can see from my post earlier today. It wasn't just that my stepdaughter was disappointed rather it was her "nasty" comments and the years prior to her wedding where not only did she but her fiance also chose to disrespect me. I was fed up and not willing to "fake" appearances because she felt that day should be all about her and noone elses feelings mattered. As far as my mother's condition at that time well you are correct she was not in danger of dying but while there was still any memory left at all I was hopeful that seeing me and my husband all dressed up would bring her some joy and maybe she would recognize us again. She didn't but she did smile and was happy to have us with her.

As far as my being the closest thing to having her own mother at her side for her wedding. No her Mother's Mother or Grandmother was with her along with her sister and 5 other attendents. Why she felt that I should spend hours in a hotel room dressing and making everything just perfect for her is beyond me after how I had been treated. I did in fact get to that hotel room 1 hour before the ceremony and I was basically ignored. The photographer was taking pictures in the room and throughout the evening and my husband had to ask me to step up to be in one of the pictures. The Grandmother and her other daughter have never acknowledged me as a human being, EVER. When they left the reception they shook my husbands hand and thanked him but never said goodbye, kiss my ass or anything else to me. Even the reverend who married my stepdaughter talked with my husband while I was standing next to him and he never acknowledged me. I have no idea why I was at this wedding but I smiled and was pleasant to anyone who was pleasant to me.

As far as family counseling my husbands daughters have refused for years to get any help. My husband and I have been through counseling for years even 2 different psychologist but apparently that did nothing.

This issue is really the only difficulty my husband and I have experienced in our entire marriage. All of our children are adults, it's time for change. I'm choosing to find happiness and peace and really don't care anymore how I get it.

instantfamily's picture

I can understand that your daughter's feelings were a little bruised, but if she's got any kind of heart I would think she'd see the selfishness of her behavior and be able to empathize and sympathize with your wife's losing her mother. It would be nice if your wife would initiate the conversation, but since she's not, maybe you need to.
Perhaps you could put it into context for your daughter: "you know how sad you were when you lost your mother? Well, that doesn't get easier just because you get older" and help the two of them get together. As one adult who's lost a mom, perhaps she'll be able to see it from that perspective instead of this "me me me me me" thing that weddings have become for young brides.
Good luck- it's no fun being stuck in the middle, I'm sure.

mommylove's picture

"Normally, built up resentment destroys a woman's libido"

You got that right!

joe b's picture

sueu2
you are insinuating that over the past 8 years of our marriage I did not support my wife --- I'm confused how you can make that evaluation by my uncertain question on me thinking he had a point. Maybe a few more facts----
disrespect---I'm not sure what that definition is in your mind---
if the SDs disagree with my wife do you consider that disrespectful? There have been times where I hear my duaghter getting pretty arrogant and I step in to say thats enough and she was wrong---I sat with my children with my wife present in the same room and specifically instructed them that this was my wife and she was to be respected at the same level as I ----
most of the issues were rooted in a difference of opinion---two people disagreeing---maybe I missed something but --- disrespect to me is not disagreeing--but it is when you command and insist that you are right and you refuse to understand or RESPECT the others opinion causing arguements and disruption to the relationship----would you say that is disrespectful---or is are you saying showing disrespect is also a difference of opinions where one agrees to disagree?
I have over the years THOUGHT I was supporting my wife by limiting my involvement in my childrens lives---we have missed holidays together, birthdays, and can easily say that the only relationship has been occasional telephone calls in which I further argue the point my children need to make ammends for this disjointed relationship effecting their relationship with me.
I never intended to "take sides"---because I had an opinion that differred from my wife or my daughter---thats all it was--my opinion----somehow you feel that if my opinions didn't match my wife's it was me supporting them---no It was just my opinion---i expressed my opiinion just as you did here with hopes that somehow those disagreeing would reconsider thier positions and compromise to resolve the issue.
"But you allowed it all these years in the face of your wife's protests."
I'm surprised you can make a statement so finite without knowing all these facts. But one thing you did do is identify exactly how my wife feels about me and insists my continuing my relationship with my children is a direct means of telling my children I support them how they treat her---which in my opinion is far from that fact. I feel I am sending a strong statement I AM Supporting her because of my limited relationship with them and they know it could be more for I continue to press that they communicate with my wife to resolve the issues--
I have one major question---how can my children contnue to disrespect my wife if there has been no communication between them for 2 years for the youngest and almost 4 years for the oldest? Maybe I'm crazy---but continuing to dig up the past mistakes doesn't constitute the definition that it continues today---resolve the past to see if it continues to become an issue---and if it does they should be corrected and apologize for thier ignorance.

Minnow's picture

Mercy, you are only "stuck in the middle" if you choose to be. It's kind of like "riding both sides of the fence" At some point, you got to go to one side or the other or you'll never go anywhere. Make any sense to you?

Eyes Wide Open's picture

Touche'

rottierunner's picture

My only wisdom is this...

People are human and everyone makes mistakes....
It seems like there are hurt feelings and anger on all sides due to badly chosen words, (mis)perception of ill intent, etc....

Everyone in this situation has a choice... to let go of the past, the anger, and attempt a peaceful coexistence that may build a foundation for a healthier relationship.

We get so entrenched in our emotional battles that we fail to see the toll it is taking on our lives.

I can see that you are saddened by the situation, and I hope that your family realizes that this faily relationship is a work in progress and requires the cooperation of all the parties involved.

Faith,hope, and determination are all we have....

Minnow's picture

Rottierrunner, you are correct every human being makes mistakes. I am Joey B's wife if you haven't already read my earlier post here. Yes you are also correct there has been hurt feelings, anger on all sides and we all have our own choices. Where I believe you are incorrect is that my 10 years of my stepdaughters being disrespectful, resentful, hurtful and my feelings that my husband has not supported me and has tolerated this behavior even now when everyone is an adult well I don't think I can just let go of the past. Yes, I would like peace and yes I would like healthier family relationships but without some reflection and change it ain't ever gonna happen.

This situation not only has taken a toll on our emotional health but on our marriage. Both my husband and I are sad but thankfully neither of us has decided to throw in the towel. Noone said blending our families would be easy but we made some huge mistakes and it's too late now but it certainly should have been done differently.

So I'm moving forward and continue to hope and pray that our lives become a little easier, a little more peaceful and a whole lot more fun.

Most Evil's picture

I don't see how anyone even a bride can justify a command performance from anyone even on the day of their wedding. I remember being disappointed because my sister didn't come get ready with me for my wedding but she had her own things to do that morning, so I had my other 50 women relatives and friends there, so what.

Where were your daughter's friends, her sister, why would only your wife (stepmother) do for this?? Maybe we don't have all the info because to me so far this sounds petty, both of the daughters' issues.

I can tell you that having a mother slip away into alzheimers is an awful thing and if you haven't experienced this, you do not realize HOW you will feel about it or WHAT you will need to do to deal with it, YOURSELF. These girls need to grow up, in my opinion.

And you need to take your wife's side! I can completely see how her position most likely has been building up over years, to where she doesn't feel the same obligation to your children as you do! Maybe you should support your wife and model good husband behavior for these girls!

Most Evil's picture

Wow, you are really being insensitive and I find it very offensive.

For one, it is not her daughter, it is her stepdaughter who is getting married.

Her stepdaughter, who with her fiance has been disrespectful to her stepmom she is now making demands on, in the past info we have been given, and apparently has no other friends or relatives who will sit with her, which to me says something in itself.

And two, maybe you would blow off your own mom to sit with someone who treats you this way, and makes such demands on you, but I wouldn't.

I am in this situation and until you are, you should keep your judgement to yourself. God makes his own judgements of all we do and say, which is a great thing to keep in mind.

Hopefully you won't ever know what it is like, or you wouldn't make such ridiculous statements.

Minnow's picture

Well folks, I am Joey B's wife, the stepmother to the daughter that got married 2 years ago and the daughter of the mother with not alzheimers rather frontal lobal dimentia (actually presents itself differently than alzheimers). My Mother passed away 7 months ago and I would not change 1 minute I spent with her. It was an honor to help my Mother as I fed, bathed and changed her the last several months of her life. A few months before my stepdaughters wedding I had to place my precious Mother into a facility. I went every single day for sometimes 8-10 hours per day. At the time my stepdaughter asked me to go to the hotel for 4 hours prior to her wedding to dress with her 6 attendants plus her biological grandmother, Sue was initially correct in that I found an "excuse" (just fed up with years and years of being disrespected by both stepdaughters and now a fiance) and politely declined but said I would in fact come to the hotel an hour or so prior to the wedding. I did just that. The other reason was I honest wanted my Mother to see me and my husband (if he chose to) to see us both dressed up in formal attire and was hopeful that she would realize who we were. We did just that and I don't believe she knew at all who we were but it brought a few moments of joy as she smiled and touched our clothing.

I am not going to go on and on here. I asked my husband to please go onto this site which he did because after 10 years of being together we are still arguing over the same damn issues with my adult stepdaughters. I have found this site helpful and thought it may give him some insight into my feelings. Thank you because most of you did in fact "nail it". One of the best pieces of advice I have received on this site is that we create our own happiness. I have plans to do just that. I have a life to live and I'm going to go get my CNA certification and hopefully find a job in a alz/dimentia unit where I have the opportunity to make my life more meaningful. If I can give just one person a few moments of joy and special attention it will be worth it.

Oh, I am not a Stepmonster as some may think. I am a wife that has done everything I know possible to do what I feel is right. I have and continue to honor my commitment to my husband. I came into a difficult situation with 2 teenage girls that had lost their mother. I tried very hard to be a friend and someone they could talk to. I wanted to help them, show them affection, care and love. It did not work out this way and i have been resented and disrespected for many, many years. They are grown, it is time for a change. Here I go on and on again.

Just thank you all again for trying to help.

Minnow's picture

Just one more thought. I have a biological daughter with my first husband. I was single 14 years before remarrying. My biological daughter loves and respects my husband, always has and always will. She is 24 years old. I just wish so badly that my stepdaughters could treat me with that kind of respect.

Minnow's picture

Stepaside,

I never thought of it that way but I will say that I did raise my daughter differently than how my stepdaughters were raised. My daughter's father walked out on me when I was pregnant. I was her sole parent. I was very, very involved and was the type of parent that was very black and white. There was right and there was wrong and she was always very clear that there were consequences to bad behavior. I did not financially have the opportunity to spoil or provide much more than the necessities. My bio daughter was born with some challenges (Arnold Chiari Malformation and was in and out of hospitals for many, many years. Today she is in Med School and doing wonderful. I'm so proud.

Again I'm going on and on but thank you for helping take a look at this situation at another angle.

purpledaisies's picture

I have to say that the sm was asked and the sm gave what she could and she WAS there to which it seems her dh and and SD is not giving her credit for. Please Joe give your wife credit for being there 1 hour before the wedding to stay with your daughter. It's not like she completely bailed she was there!! This Joe is what you should have told your daughter. You need to go NOW and tell your daughter that she can;t expect people to do what she wants when and how. YOu need to tell her that she asked her sm to be there for 4 hours and your wife gave her what she could 1 hour at least your daughter got that and she needs to be thankful she got that after all the years of disrespect she showed her.

purpledaisies's picture

One last thing Joe it seems to me that SD just didn;t like the idea that sm didn't give what she wanted her to give. Like I said Sd wanted 4 hours and sm could only give 1. Why is it that sd has a point? I mean sm DID give what she could isn't that all we can expect out anyone in our lives is to give what they can and not what we want them to? Why is it not good enough that sm gave what she could and not what sd wanted?

Minnow's picture

This is Joey's wife again. Thank you all so very much for your opinions and insight. Joey has read most of the post and he did tell me last night that he was wrong. Joey has told me that he will talk with his daughters and hopefully there will be some change. I love my husband so much and I honestly feel if we could resolve this issue with our stepdaughters one way or another that our marriage will be all that it could and should be. Joey and I both realize how fortunate we were to have met each other a little later in our lives. We weren't kids starting off rather we were to middle age adults who became blindsided by love and never imagined that anything would change that happiness. Life goes on and we'll see what happens. Again, thanks.

rottierunner's picture

So sorry to hear about your Mother. My Nana has Alzheimer's and is in the final stage so I understand that time is precious.

I am definitely not judging you for spending time with your Mom. Who would ?

I think you deserve some peace, and was hoping that DH would see the bigger picture (it's not all the details of the battles that matter, it is the nature of the interaction that is the point)

If THE Skids cannot offer you respect, then how can you be expected to give respect to them ?

I think that your plans sound wonderful, best wishes to you