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Very interesting conversation with a BM I know about PAS

belleboudeuse's picture

I had coffee with a good friend of mine who is a BM last week. She's an awesome person, but our hectic lives mean that we typically only get together to play "catch up" about once a year. She's been divorced for about 13 years, and has two daughters, 17 and 14. Her ex is remarried and is a stepfather to two girls about 8 and 10, who live with them full-time.

We haven't talked too much about our respective roles as BM and SM, but we happened to get into a conversation about it this time. She strikes me as a relatively cool BM, in that she knows her kids like the SM and doesn't try to jeopardize their relationship with her.

What's striking is that during the conversation, she started talking about how her kids get super frustrated about when they have to go to Dad's house (he lives about an hour away), and that they feel like he's really strict and doesn't understand when they want to hang with their friends instead. One of her daughters recently said to her, "Dad doesn't even know me." And my friend also told me that because her kids don't really want to go over there that much, she helps them by allowing them to invent excuses, which she doesn't tell the ex are not true. My friend also sometimes doesn't tell him things that she knows he wouldn't agree with -- for example, that she put her oldest on birth control. Or that she may decide to send her abroad for a month this summer, even though she knows her ex doesn't agree to this. My friend admitted that he is a good dad, and even drives 2 hours one way on weekends he doesn't have the kids, to see the younger one play volleyball. Even so, the last time she talked to her ex, she criticized him for not knowing enough about their daughters' lives. She even said, "You don't even know the names of your daughters' three best friends!"

I was really struck by all this. And so I offered her my perspective: that my own DH, who wants very much to be in his kids' lives, has been effectively shut out of his kids' lives, despite his best efforts. I told her that so many of the things she says mirror things that are going on with us, and that all these things add up to subtly undermine his relationship with his children. I offered the following arguments, from my side of the fence.

1) DH was kicked out of their house by BM. Now he lives 20 minutes away. He gets to see his kids every other weekend. My guess is that his daughters might also complain that Dad doesn't know as much about their lives as Mom. But how can he? He's not there every day. He may know the names of some of his daughters' friends, but honestly, how is he really going to know them? They never come over to our house. Why? Because their "lives" -- their school, their neighborhood, the places they hang out -- are at BM's house. Wouldn't the same be true of BM if the situation were reversed?

2) Helping the kids not go over there is a subtle form of PAS. Sure, it's understandable that the kids would rather be at Mom's because of #1 above. It's not so much that they want to be with Mom -- it's that they want to be home when the phone rings and their friends want to go out. But imagine if the situation were reversed. Wouldn't it suck for you, as a parent, to know that your kids don't really want to go over to your house? You can bet that their father knows this on some level, and that it makes him feel really sad and helpless.

3) Not telling him things like the birth control thing or the trip : these are things that our BM has done. My DH had to find out the hard way that OSD was sexually active at 15 -- because BM didn't tell him. Don't you have a clause in your DD that says you are supposed to decide all major medical, health, etc. decisions jointly? (They do.) Don't you think that this is a pretty major decision?
And as far as the trip: Our BM allowed -- even encouraged -- OSD to go on a trip for 5 days out of state with her friends and no adult supervision, at 16 years old. She KNEW DH had expressly said no, and she let OSD go anyway. In fact, in a phone conversation she had with DH while OSD was in the room, she said, "It's my weekend -- you can't do anything about it!"
My feeling is, to be fair to the noncustodial parent, the custodial parent ought to ask herself this question: "If he was still living here and I was still married to him, would he be involved in this decision?" If yes, and unless there is a COMPELLING reason not to (such as a criminal record or evidence that he is an unfit parent in some way) then you have an obligation to him to tell him these things and allow him as much say as you have.

In the end, I said, I think it ultimately hurts the kids to have the impression that their dad doesn't care about them as much as their mom. They need all the love they can get, and they need to know as surely as possible that their dad would walk through fire for them. She sat there in silence for a second, and said, "Wow, you've really given me a perspective I didn't see at all." She said that she was going to talk to her kids and explain to them a lot of these things, and work hard at not portraying him as a jerk to them. After we left, she sent me an email and told me that she had called her ex -- first time in a long time -- and gave him a bunch of updates on upcoming events, doctor visits, etc. I really hope that this will help everyone in the long run.

I really wish our BM had a friend who was a stepmom who could tell her some of this stuff.

BB

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Last-Wife's picture

I so want to give you a hug! Thank you for taking a stand for all of us stepmoms and our husbands.

You're my hero today!

"I HAD to pick the road less traveled..."

glynne's picture

I agree with you, BBD, in some may ways. Your friend's children will benefit from your honesty and sincerity. Well done!

stepmom008's picture

That's great - way to pay it forward!! Now, can you come talk to Wilda?

"There are two things over which you have complete dominion, authority, and control over - your mind and your mouth".

belleboudeuse's picture

Honey, I think Wilda is too nuts to hear anyone... Blum 3

BB

You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. - 2BLoved

Wicked.Step.Monster's picture

This was great BB! But it does bring this to mind for me... once perfectson reached a certain age he had other things he wanted to do besides go to his dads. I never did force him to go.... if he wanted to go, that was fine, but if he didn't, that was fine too and I didn't push it. Would that be viewed as PAS? EH would sometimes get aggravated but in my mind, he wasn't doing it to be home with me because he wouldn't be home with me either. Anyway, as it turns out I 100% believe that perfectson and his dad have the best relationship they ever could have even though he rarely ever goes to his dad's. I think had I forced it, it would have been worse for everyone. Anyway, it just crossed my mind that this might have been considered a form of PAS.

belleboudeuse's picture

WSM, I've thought about this a lot, because of course, when kids get to be teens they have lots of activities that take them away from family. And that's totally normal and even good. OSD has lots of stuff going on, and sometimes that means that we don't see her for as much as a week and a half. And at first, DH would restrict her activities because he got to see her so little. We talked about it, and I said, "DH, the thing is, it's not fair to OSD to penalize her because her parents are divorced. I think you have to ask yourself, would you let her go if you were still married to BM and living full-time with your kids?" So we now really try not to make decisions on whether she can do something based on whether he has seen her enough lately. Because it's not fair to her.

This stuff is all complicated. When a family splits up, everyone suffers, and everyone has to make sacrifices. Where I come down on it as far as the BM/CP is concerned, I would hope that she would try as hard as she can to understand that the NCP needs to see the children, too. And if the kid has so many activities going on that the kid isn't making time to see NCP, maybe the CP can give a little of her time so that the NCP can have some face time. My BM friend said, "ex-husband doesn't get that I hardly see her either." And I replied, "Yes, but at least you know what color shirt she was wearing today when she left home. At least you know whether she has changed her hairstyle since last week."

I don't think what you did was PAS. But I do think that it would be great if CPs would keep some tabs on whether the NCP gets anywhere near the face time with a minor child that the CP does. What a CP sees as just two ships passing over the breakfast table might be what a NCP sees as a precious gift that he would KILL to have once in a while.

BB

You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. - 2BLoved

Wicked.Step.Monster's picture

You're exactly right that everyone suffers. I truly hate everything about divorce and not for my sake, but for the sake of perfectson and my skids.

DH knows that it's just a matter of time too before SD14.5 will be too busy to come over very often. In that case and in the case of perfectson, all there are are weekends because we live too far apart for there to be any visitations during the week. It all just sucks and I hate it.