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TrueNorth77's picture

So last Monday, SD14 came to us saying she was having suicidal thoughts again. DH and I talked to her, DH talked to her psychologist and got her meds changed, and we teased her and ensured that she no longer thought jumping off our 9' porch roof was a good idea. She was laughing and in great spirits at the end of our convo, which was also a good talk about how we will help her, etc. 

The rest of the week she was her most annoying self- it is becoming very hard to be around her for more than 5 mins, as she is over-the-top, obnoxious, immature, whiny, and complains constantly. I dropped her off at school on Mon after her counseling appt, she complained the entire 5 min drive, and I felt a weight lifted the second the door shut behind her, knowing I wouldn't see her til next Mon. 

Last night she sends DH a snapchat message saying "My therapist wants to have a last-minute session with me tomorrow because she thinks I'm so mentally unstable", with a funny face emoji. She has this weird thing of starting only certain convos on snapchat that she wouldn't want a record of, so DH took a screenshot of her message and moved the convo to text message, where he learned that her session that day had only been 30 mins due to Zoom login issues, so that was part of the reason for the extra session. DH told her he was going to go to the session to find out what was going on, and SD said No, and how he is the reason she is suicidal, and sent a series of disrespectful texts in all-caps about how DH didn't do anything for her when she talked to us about suicide last Mon, and she was going to show these messages to the therapist and how he was a terrible father. DH told her he didn't really care how he looked to the therapist, he cares about her safety, but he also got suspicious, because this was not how she was talking this week- he sent SS17 a text asking if SD was alone in her room or if she was with Crazy- SS said SD and Crazy were sitting on the couch, and he could hear SD laughing. This was in the middle of SD texting DH. So clearly this is being influenced by Crazy. DH sent a message to SD's therapist explaining the week, his thought process on handling the talk last Mon, how things had gotten better and SD had spent time with friends, and now she acts like this and he is at a loss on what to do or how to help her. He included screenshots of the convo. 

What is insane, is that SD told us that Crazy told her she didn't know what to do for SD, and didn't even ask what SD's "method" to commit suicide was. Can you imagine your teen telling you this, even telling you they have a method, and being ok with not knowing what it was so you could help avoid it?? Yet somehow Crazy is the right one in this scenario, and DH is the one who did nothing. I can't. 

In a rare moment of being completely honest about skids, DH told me he feels a weight lifted when SD leaves for Crazy's on Mon, because she is just so much and he sees so much of her mom in her (not in a good way), and she is generally just annoying and hard to be around. At the same time, he wants to do anything he can to help her, but he is at a loss, and everything he does ends up being wrong in her eyes (which doesn't stop him, but is defeating), but we also know that part of her behavior is attention-seeking. Part of me had wished that last Monday, the thing SD wanted to talk to us about was going to live with Crazy FT, because this is just way too much.  

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Aniki-Moderator's picture

Whether it's attention seeking or not, I agree 911 should be called if she threatens suicide again. Maybe that will be a catalyst for SD realizing this is not something to be taken lightly. 

TrueNorth77's picture

I actually just called and spoke to the hospital to get some clarification on when something will actually be done if we DID call. Last time SD was sticking by her statement of suicide (almost a year ago) and DH drove her ass 45 mins to a hospital, only to sit there for 6hrs and be sent home because she backed down from her statements. The hospital said it really has to be a critical situation (where they believe she will actually do something if she doesn't stay) for them to keep her or send her for a 72hr hold. SD has just been sitting us down and talking to us saying she has had thoughts- she hasn't been in a critical place saying she is going to do it. And if anyone had asked her, she would say no she wasn't going to do anything then- So nothing would even happen. The guy from the hospital was great, however, he said he felt so bad for us, he has a friend going through the same thing and he knows how hard it is. He just wants to shake these kids. Same guy, same. 

JRI's picture

I totally agree she is just so much and completely agree with your relief sentiment when she leaves 

I don't have much advice but back in the day, my therapist told me kids rebel against their strongest parent   I saw that with DH's kids.  I guess they knew BM just wasn't strong enough to handle it 

I admire your DH. He sounds empathetic and proactive.  Too bad a good guy is being put thru the wringer.

TrueNorth77's picture

That's really interesting. He is definitely the stronger parent- she is just an ass to Crazy half the time because she knows she can be, but with DH it definitely feels like rebelling because he does not just let her talk to him or treat him however she wants. 

I really do feel for him. He is trying to help her and it's a losing battle. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Just came to offer sympathy. My SO's daughters do the whole "I'm suicidal, I'm so mentally unstable" thing, then when the feeling has passed, everyone acts like it never happened. I can't be around that. Because if i do hear what sounds to be a serious suicide threat, i know that calling 911 is the best option. I also know that SO and his family would be angry if i did. So...if i'm not there to hear it, i can't be responsible. To add, i think suicide is a horrible and serious thing and i would not want to fail to act if someone were planning it. But, i also know that SO's daughters are in their mid-late 20s and neither has tried. I hate to say it's for attention and drama, then one of them actually does it. 3 of his 4 kids have done this. SS14 hasn't in years, though, and i think maybe he did it in elementary because he saw it work for his sisters. 

Rags's picture

Time to nail BM's and SD's Harpy bond tail feathers to the floor.  Any time she even thinks about suicide, call 911. Every time.  Make sure to provide the 911 operator with a SNIP of her threats or a recording of her verbalizing the suicide topic. 

Have CPS, LEOs, Psych professionals, etc... so far up BM's and attention seeking SD's asses that they have zero life not under the hairy eyeball of every agency, professional, etc... available.   Get SD medicated to the state of being droolingly catatonic and take any and all self determination away from her, and any decisioning away from BM until SD turns 18.  Then, make her a Ward of the State.

One of my childhood BFFs was Dx'd with Schizoprenia in his mid 20s. His parents and mine are very close friends.  To protect him from himself and preserve their assets for his future care and support, they had him made a Ward of the State.  When he stops his own meds and starts to get manic, the voices get out of control, etc... they call the State Psyche emergency response and ... he is picked up, taken to a Psyche facility, put back on his meds, stabilized, re-evaluated, and not released until the pros say he is ready.  He lives in a garage apartment at his parent's home usually.  They keep a Condo in the neighboring State where he is a Ward.  Their home is just over the border from his Docs, hosptitals, the courts, etc...

Though I realize that SD is likely just an attention seeking BM pawn, if I were her dad I would make the possibility of her killing herself as close to zero as I possibly could. I would destroy her mother, and eleminate self determination from my DD's life as extensively as possbile for as long as I possibly could.

Not only to protect my DD, but to also protect my DS and minimize the impact of his BM and his BM minion sister on his life.

Save every digital blathering communication from SD or BM, save every observation on BM/SD crap made by SS, record every verbal conversation, Web cam your home and save every f2f cnversation SD has in your home with you, daddy, or her brother and feed every byte of those records to the courts, LEO, Docs, Psych pros, etc....

If I were daddy, I would have no doubt that I had done everything possible to prevent my DD from taking her own life.  If she does it as a minor, it would be maneuvered to fruition through conduits I had no control or influence over. At which point I would make damned sure that her idiot mother lived every second of the rest of her POS life wearing the label that she drove her daughter to suicide.  Pushing for her to be made a Ward of the State upon reaching the age of majority may extend the protection that can be provided for SD from her manipulative POS mother.

Grrrrrrr!

I truly hope that this is nothing more than SD catering to mommy and being an attention whore BM minion princess.  But I would take no chances.

Good luck on this.   

Don't forget to take care of yourself through all of this.  It has to be a struggle to live your best life and not let this consume you and your marriage completely.

Give rose

BethAnne's picture

When discussing my sd's suicide threats my therapist said that it was important that any threats were treated seriously and professional help was provided at the time as that shows the teen that this is serious and is being taken very seriously by everyone. 

These days I'd first call the 988 suicide and crisis lifeline (we're in USA) to get help/advice if my sd made any threats. 

grannyd's picture

Given your previous blogs, TrueNorth77, I suspect that your teenaged SD is using suicidal threats as a manipulative tactic. However, since these adolescent intimidations are best taken seriously, I suggest that you insist upon an immediate psychiatric intervention each and every time that the girl fabricates her terror tactics.

Mental health treatment facilities in North America seldom provide internet (cell phone) access so a youthful schemer would be very unlikely to orchestrate a second, Baker-acted visit to the psych ward. 

Reading: 

…. we teased her and ensured that she no longer thought jumping off our 9' porch roof was a good idea. She was laughing and in great spirits at the end of our convo….

 

did not convey, to this senior, the behaviour of a girl so anxious/depressed that she is genuinely intent on ending her life. If your SD is truly suicidal, a compulsory hospitalization, enforced upon every threat, should alleviate many concerns of your husband, his daughter and yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

Rose_Pedal's picture

Although my story doesn't even compare to yours, we went through a *brief* stint like this with my SD12 last year and she ended up going to therapy, which she longer goes to, and that makes perfect sense and aligns with what we knew all along- it was all for attention and drama and the therapy is over now that it became inconvenient for her and wasn't getting her the attention and satisfaction she wanted anymore...blah blah blah.

I'm so sorry to see how far your SD has taken this- it sounds horrible and miserable.

Has she been screened for Defiance Disorder? My sister (2 years older than me) had this growing up and she sounds JUST like my sister and as it has been said, these kids DO rebel against the strongest parent. I applaud your DH as it sounds like he is doing all the right things and oh what a relief it must have been and slightly satisfying to hear him admitt to his sense of relief when SD leaves. Once in a great while I get to see a raw and candid moment where DH will express his frustrations for SD instead of trying to defend and sugar coat!

TrueNorth77's picture

When DH expresses feeling the same way I feel about skids, who are not even mine so I clearly do not have his rose-colored glasses on, I feel vindicated and like I may not actually be the worst person ever for feeling this way. Steplife is a lonely place, it's nice to feel like we are not alone!

I don't think SD has been evaluated for other conditions, but I do think she should be. I've had a few people say that her behavior is very like their kids/someone they know, who have been diagnosed with different things. She has talked to a psychiatrist, I'm wondering if there just isn't anything there, or if they haven't dug deep enough? It does feel like there is more to be done here, that what is happening now just cannot be all that happens. I'm saying this for my OWN sanity. 

Rags's picture

Her backing out when confronted is exactly why everything she does needs to be recorded. If it is text or E/M, save it. As soon as the word suicide arriases... 911.  Keep it up until she either knocks it off or they actually drive consequences for her.

The goal is to of course protect her life.  However, a nearly equal goal is to bare her manipulative "look at meeeeeee" ass.  On her 18th birthday, there should be a sit down come to Jesus meeting with her making it clear that now that she has reached the age of majority her attention seeking suicide manipulative attention seeking is now entirely on her and any mention of it she makes will end the conversation.  And of course... every time she mentions it as an adult... call 911 and report it, ask for a LEO wellness check to her location, etc... and .... she is not in your home.   Do not take the risk of her endiing her life in your home.

When I was in Jr. High, our across the street neighbor's recently adoped adult daughter had moved back in with her mom and dad.  She shot herself in her bedroom in her mom and dad's house.  They flew in StartFlight to our street, they landed in front of our home.  After they brought her out on a stretcher with her head covered with white plastic sheet giving her chest compressions (she was deceased, they were attempting to minimize the trauma for all of the kids that were watching), my mom went across the street with cleaning supplies, etc..... and cleaned up the bedroom.  That was emotionally devistating for mom. It took her quite some time to recover from the emotional/psychological impact of doing that for the neighbors.

This situation you and  your SO are addressing with this SD has to be infuriating.  Worry about her actually killing herself while trying to protect yourselves from both that risk and what is apparently blatant manipulation and likely just an idiot kid ploy to get attention and get out of her personal responsibilities to behave appropriately, do her school work, etc..

Either way, I would default to minimizing her impact on your life and marriage.  Box her in, bring the full consequences of her behaviors down on her to the fullest extent you can make happen, box her in with law enforcement, medical intervention for her threats of suicie, and minimize the comprehensive risk that she is to herself and to you and your marriage.

No one can stop a suicidal person from ending their own life if they are legitimately suicidal.  If they are intent on killing themselves, they will.  If it is purely an attention seeking manipulation, they won't.

IMHO of course.

Harry's picture

Not there to give you a minutes by minute review of what's goes in on.  First threatens feels SD is not suicidal. But attention seeking.   So you are playing SD game by wanting to know a minute bu minute goings on.  As long as you play the game. It will continue.  " I feel suicidal". Rushing SD  to emergency room. Taking time to talking... interact with her.  

Maybe you should plan activities with her.  Give her some one to one time.  Group time.   Bowling lessons, league,  cooking class.  Camping.  Make her a import member of the family