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overit2's picture

I posted this on someone else's blog-I'm not sure that was entirely appropiate-because really these are my own thoughts, so perhaps it belonged on my own first blog entry...so here it's copied and edited a bit to make it more generalized questions.

"I wonder what compelled anyone here to marry their SO that had kids.?
And how can we prevent more women from making the same mistake others did? I say this because it's obvious that everyone suffers. It's not fair to you, or the dad or the bm or the skids.

I'm a huge proponent of strongly advising people with no kids to date others with no kids...and single parents to find other single parents. I suggest this because of the issues it creates for all involved.

I guess I wonder what age were the smoms here was when they married someone with kids? Just like I made a mistake marrying my exh, my bf made a mistake marrying his exwife...we know the reasons why we did, we know they were mistakes-we also know that older and wiser now we would not make those same mistakes. It's a learning process, life is. I guess that's why I always recommend non parents to not get involved with parents...because it's bad enough that your marriage may not work..it's MUCH worse then that. Basically you now have their kids who have been hurt from the divorce, now be hurt AGAIN from a bad marriage or another broken home or constant tension, resentment, jealousy, and strife.

And our choices directly contribute to that. Obviously there is no crystal ball to know whether a marriage will work or not or what the future holds-but we CAN improve our chances of success by eliminating "incompatibility" from the getgo.

Single, no kids? I don't care HOW much you love the man, you should walk away, period. Dads, you think this new woman is wonderful and will be great to the kids? Think it through....she's perhaps younger, prettier, less stressed out then the exwife, seems more easygoing, everything peachy....well...what if you decide to change things on her and bring your kids fulltime to the picture? Does anyone making these choices think of the children involved?? Is it discussed? My bf and I have discussed this at length many times-we both know for a fact we could not date a childless person. It's so disheartening to see marriages crumble, period. More disheartening when it involves kids or a second marriage IMO...I guess that's why the statistics show second marriages/third having even higher chance of divorce.

ANd I must say-the ADULTS, man and woman that made the decision have to take responsibility in those choices, we can blame skids, smoms, inlaws all you want-but we should already know these things...why walk down the aisle at all if you're not fully happy and secure and whole as person before saying I do, especially to someone with kids.

I realize this is a vent place-I realize this post might anger some and think I'm being preachy...but really at what point to we learn to take responsibility for OUR own choices, behaviors, decisions, outlook, reactions....it's a generation of pass the blame game....and we turn around and blame and get angry at children rather then ourselves, why? They are an easy target that's for sure. It hurts less to blame them or outside forces then take a hard look at ourselves and what we did wrong.

It took me a long time to accept this about myself with my marriage, and when I did I then had to learn to forgive myself after accepting that I and I ALONE carried responsibility for my choices...hard pill to swallow.

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overit2's picture

And the reasons I hesitate to remarry...big time lol. Not lying..maybe one day, maybe I'll try living with him, right now this works for us, we're slowly integrating and working through issues w/the kids, parenting styles before even considering marriage. He's more open to remarriage then I am.

And yes-I agree even w/us having kids there also is their own set of problems.

Some are big parenting style differences, some are minor and workable. I guess the same advice would go to couples that do both have kids....if the parenting styles are vastly different-DON'T do it.

I think for dads that have the EOW or less time the guilt factor is real and reflects on how they treat their child.

grayskies's picture

yes!

Tx mommy of 3's picture

I kind of agree. If someone new to this scene asks me for advice on stepfamilies I tell them not to do it. It doesn't even matter how much things are talked about beforehand, once you get married things and expectations do change. Let's see...i had always told myself I wouldn't date a man with kids or that was divorced. I just didn't want that for me. My parents have been married 40 years, no divorce in extended family either. In college you don't run into single dads anyway so it wasn't a problem. After I graduated though I met dh. Ncp of a then 4year old. Very handsome. It started off as nothing really serious. Then it progressed to I was 25 and pregnant with his baby! Oops. Don't get me wrong, I love him with all my heart and love our now 3 kids together, but had I no gotten pregnant I would have liked to take things slower. Then I would've learned more about his situation with cs, bm, ss without just being thrown into it. I am lucky though. I don't have some of the same probs as some because my dh and his ex were never married. They dated in hs and broke up shortly after ss was born. So being each others first (and hopefully only) marriage has been easier I think in some ways.

distorted reality's picture

Hmmm... what would compel me to marry my SO who has kids? Love, companionship, common likes/dislikes, etc. I realize that what I'm about to say will be unpopular with some, but here goes.... I'm marrying the man, not his kids and certainly not his exW. As a matter of fact, I'm marrying him despite all of that, lol. This idea of people w/ kids only marrying other people w/ kids OR singles marrying only singles is ridiculous. It's almost like (and please do not take offense b/c none is intended) saying blacks should not marry whites, Catholics should not marry Jews, etc. I believe it is sometimes our differences that make us stronger together.

The fact is, most of the issues about SK's (as someone else stated) is about parenting style. It is obvious that even the divorced BP's had major differences in parenting styles. It gets carried over in to new marriages/relationships and the SP's become the scapegoats. Maybe the real question should be this..... why do people who haven't got a clue, as far as 'how to parent', keep breeding???? I mean hell, there is such a double standard when it comes to the kids of divorce. Many times the house rules are polar opposites from one Bio house to the other. Is it such a stretch that it can happen in the same house? Suddenly we (SP's) are expected to fix all the ills from a dead marriage/relationship that had absolutely nothing to do with us?

Now add to the equation the sometimes extreme territorial behaviors of most BM's and a few BD's. This makes for more chaos. Also add that kids (whether from divorced parents or not) learn how to manipulate....how to play both sides to get what they want. Good grief, you're making a very broad stroke from a very narrow brush.

I do not like this whole broken home terminology either. My SO's kids were living in a 'broken home' long before the divorce came about. These kids will grow up, marry, and have kids of their own someday. The divorced BP has that same right.... to marry whomever he/she chooses.....kids or not.

Rags's picture

I have been told that my parenting style makes Atila the Hun look tender. I am about accountability. Fortuneately so is my wife.

Maybe that is unfortunate for our son (my SS) but he has the example of a loving, tender successful marriage between two equity partners who are intellectual, educated, professional equals.

I do not necessarily agree that single people with no children should not marry people with children. I absolutely believe that StepParenting is likely the most difficult volunteer job on the planet. However, when the marriage/adult relationship is the priority of both partners and the children are the beneficiaries of that relationship a strong family can result that can raise all of the children (yours/mine/ours) to viable adulthood.

I do not consider our family home broken. We may not be the initial family but we are the intact family in our son's (my SS's) blended family world and the only family of any redeeming quality or character in SS's situation.

We have created a viable family and raised a pretty good kid in spite of his toothless moron SpermClan and the SpermIdiot who claims to be SS's "father". Thank God the most poluted genes in my Skids gene pool stained the sheets instead of making it in to his genetic make up.

I am not sure that is the case with my son's (SS's) three younger half sibs. The jury is still out on them. I believe that those kids are likely doomed. They are screwed on both sides of the Nurture Vs. Nature coin. They have a poluted gene pool and are being raised by a clan of toothless dipshits.

A marriage that creates a blended family can be viable and valuable for all envolved. Particularly for the children who have to deal with a BioParent incapable looking out for their best interests. When Mom or Dad marry a person of character and quality it is good for the kids and it can be extremely rewarding for the Sparent.

IMHO of course.

Best regards,

overit2's picture

I stand corrected on the broken home analogy-because I personally don't like that term either...so it was missused....I agree totally, my home was a broken home WHILE I was married, and was I felt a full, whole home once divorced.

That said-going for kids through a second divorce of their parents? Even tougher then the first. I FULLY agree that even if not an initial home, kids can fare much better in a remarried home, sure...new family dynamic, etc. Look-my sons weren't old enough to remember too much from my first marriage but they dynamics were incredibly unhealthy-then came the healing time for me-years of it. Now, they get to see a loving, healthy, affectionate family unit and example and model...so does his daughter. But I'm talking about all these situations I keep hearing about on this site which sound so incredibly dysfunctional, I can't say but w/exception of a few most skids are probably NOT better off in the new marriage.

Everyone is free to marry whom they want to, it's just MY suggestion, not something I'm proposing a law for. Nothing to do with race or religion, etc...it's about being more compatible. Same as I discourage single parents to get involved long distance-just what life has shown me. That's all.

And again, ok, say a childless person IS able to somehow understand children and be patient and so forth-....then what about marrying someone who you KNEW you disagreed vastly on their parenting styles? This comes up...well I loved him, his parenting sucks...well...didn't you spend enough time around him and his kids to know this and make an informed decision??

And yeah I have to disagree with the "I married him not his kids" if I marry him, his daughter is part of the deal, same for him....his exwife no, my exh, no...the kids? Absolutely-I think believing otherwise (only married him) is what causes the dismal subsequent remarriage failure honestly.

overit2's picture

Must say A. Deville...you're a smart cookie yourself lol...good observer. I think yes, a lot of this boils down to my own questions and learning and wondering if it's worth it you know?

So I'm maybe trying to learn from others mistakes-trying to gather info-why didn't it work, what did, what made things stack up worse against you?

Honestly-I'd be happy continuing to be a couple as we are w/out remarriage. The kids tell us they want us to marry-people that observe us together will ask us when the date is or to get a room lol (we are incredibly affectionate w/eachother), we truly love eachother. He's even more open to it then I am as I mentioned. I'd consider living w/him, but not ready yet. As it is we see eachother almost daily-he spends at least 3 nights at my place. He obviously sees my boys more then we see his girl. When he has her they normally come over and we have a wknd together-some overnights sometimes not. We also have our every other wknd for just us..and we are very mindful of building what we have and our alone time-even away from friends and just connect. We do this on evenings he comes over too-once the kids are down-it's our time, no tv, just us talking -sometimes hours, enjoying music, some wine, ...we try to go out on a date night once every week or two in addition to the wknd time we have. I don't see that changing for us even if married honestly. Just our personalities. We MAKE time, period.

It's hard because for both of us not seeing eachother one day is hard-not sleeping together every night is getting harder. BUT...it still works-we spend a lot of time together-yet we can both get a break when we need it-and not having combined fully finances/kids/schedules keeps our relationship happy and less stressed right now. Why fix whats not broken??

It scares me, stats or stacked against you, you hear horror stories, will his exw act up more if we do marry, very likely as she's one that still "pines for him". He has purposely kept us from meeting I think to keep OUR relationship protected. He purposely doesn't share much of their issues with me to protect us and not put a damper on our time, I love him for that. He is very much an extremely considerate person of my feelings-if he ever upsets me or thinks he did I'll see him just literally cringe and get mad at himself and even withdraw..because to him he's w/me to bring me good things, not bad. I keep telling him I know life isn't roses and rainbows, it's the tough and ugly stuff too, i'm more then capable of handling it. He strives to bring joy and laughter and encouragement and praise and to keep my feelings protected no matter what. A welcome relief from an exh who was incredibly abusive and had drive me to the point of wanting to end my life.

Only issue I can see...we're two conflict avoiders ...could be great-could be lethal lol. The good part is that I've called him on it, to speak his mind. He's called me out when he knows I"m angry at something and dont' say anything....pushes me to get it out. It's so against our nature and personality though-so many fears that getting things out might hurt the other or the relationship we've so carefully guarded. And is a possible marriage just end up screwing everything up-is it worth the damn risk, not only us...our kids hearts are at stake-we fully believe it's all of us together we have to consider-not just us-if it were just us w/out kids we would have married already Smile

distorted reality's picture

You are aware that many SK's (as well as BM's) create the constant chaos in the remarried home??? You keep talking about compatibility issues. Well, apparently, there were some real compatibility issues between the BP's while married, and no doubt more so after the divorce. Did you take in to consideration that maybe it is the BP's responsibility to make sure that things run smoothly? I can tell you that in at least 80% of the situations here, that is just not happening. As SP's we are expected to do all the dirty work, yet we get very few, if any kudos for the time and effort we put in. We are constantly told (sometimes by our own spouses/SO's) by the BP or the SK's themselves, that we have no rights. Sure we wipe their noses, we wipe their a$$es, we feed, clothe, protect, educate, offer a shoulder to cry on, etc.....but when it comes to major decisions, we are told NOT YOUR KID. I cry foul on that.
So, in your world only parents w/kids should marry other parents w/kids? Well, what if THOSE parenting styles clash? And make no mistake, they do. What if someone with 2 kids from a previous marriage/relationship marries someone with kids from their previous marriage.... what if the parenting styles are so polar opposite that the relationship/marriage ends???? What then? Who gets the blame when that happens? And again, make no mistake, it certainly does. Nothing in life is a guarantee. Whether you start out fresh in a marriage and bring children in to this world or if you brought children in to this world with someone else. Life is always a gamble. To reduce it to the commonality that you have, is irritating.
You should know, I say this on behalf of the women (and men) here, who actually have the ba!!s to do this thankless job, day in and day out. On a personal note, I refuse to have ANY face to face contact with my SO's (DFH's) children. For me, I made the right decision. When they come to the age of majority, I will attempt a cordial friendship with them...on MY terms. This means that I do not have to kiss their a$$ or the a$$ of their psychotic BM. Oh and my SO, is fine with my decision.

As far as my marrying him and not his kids. I will always shout that from the rooftops. Yes, they are his kids and I will be respectful of their relationship. That is all I'm required to do. That doesn't make me heartless, it makes me practical.

mom2five's picture

If my husband's ex-wife found out she was going to die...she would definitely find a way to make it my fault. She really would.