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Tit for Tat

NicoleRB's picture

What is worse-- when your SKs are overly polite and you sense that they are struggling and "coping" with your existence or when they are just real. 

I would argue that real is so much better. My DHs tit for tat is that my sons (17 & 20) are rude to him and disrespect the house we all share -- mind you, my sons actually chose to live with us 50% time still, which is simply more challenging because we share space and interact more. They are boy boys who I would argue don't always have the best most polite communication or cleaning habits-- so not really rude or disrespectful, just typical teen boys. My older son is in college so lives close but isn't with us 50% all the time.

my DHs kids, my SS (21) & SD (16) aren't really a regular part of our household anymore by choice-- my SD opted out of the 50/50 custody to live with mom full time wat back when she was 12. We lives together for 4 yrs before that point and *poof* she was gone.  My SA chose to go away to college 5 hours away in the childhood homeyoej of his BM who still has some family down there. Alas, both my DHs kids, despite the fact that I feel I am a kind, loving step mom who tries, aligned more with their BM.  They do visit -- my SS will stay with us 50% time when he is home from college and summers and SD will occasionally go to my sons hockey games with us or stop by once a month to see her Dad now that she drives.

my challenge with them both is how fake they are-- they are much more polite than my kids, but it is like gross polite. My SS will go for long walks with us and talk to me about his classes, but it all feels like a show for his Dad. He is a Poli Sci major for a reason-- let's just say I'm on to him. I can tell it is an act. I believed it for a long while he was quite charming-- but I've caught him rolling his eyes or making a face that he thinks I didn't see. 
 

my SD will give me a homemade card she made about 5 mins before we open gifts (she always is sure to come over for the giving festivities when cash & gifts are districted I find). The card will read something like she's gone through some 12-step process with her counselor where she lists the things she likes about me. "I like your humor. I like how you do so much for my brother when he lives here..." DH sees this and thinks his kids are just lovely. Especially compared to mine that are more comfortable with handshakes from him instead of hugs and leave empty soda cans everywhere. At least my sons are participating members of our household and not fake freelancers putting on a show for their Dad. 
 

I definitely know I could have it much worse. I should be thankful that my SKs are not telling me to F-off! BUT, I am someone who has always taught my kids to be genuine above all else so this current situation drives me crazy. 
 

I notice that after the holidays every year I end up posting a new blog. I think the act of coming together just puts me over the edge because of how much harder it is to be a blended family-- in fact, I wouldn't even call it that anymore, we are more like me & my kids & my DH and his children that stop by and visit to maintain their relationship with their Dad. I understand why they would want to do that, I'm just disappointed that they can't just be natural and engage naturally and just be REAL. Their phones my behaviorism is making me question my own husband's sincerity sometimes because he raised them and they are just so good at being con artists.

My resolution in 2025 is to try to accept that I'll never have an intact family unit of my own again, just appreciate raising my boys and loving my DH for the separate relationships that they are. Can't help but feel sad about it though -- seems like it could be simpler. 
 

signing off,

We have "opposite" step kids dynamics -- what's worse real but bumpy or fake? It's gotta be fake right? 

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AlmostGone834's picture

I will say it's much easier to be "fake" being nice and respectful when you don't live there full time. It's easy to pretend to like someone when you only have to do it for a week. It's easy to show up once in a while be respectful because you only have to hold it together for a few hours. Keeping that up day after day when you all live together in the same house is much harder. 

That's not to give your children an excuse. Nobody wants to be disrespected in their own home day after day. It wears on you and it will wear on your DH too. Their behavior can't be excused as them "being real" because living in society requires all of us to be "fake" for the sake of getting along. We have to be fake at work or with certain in-laws for example. 

I don't really care if someone dislikes me or not, but if your living in my home you have to follow my rules and at least be civil/ respectful. I think it would be best if everyone worked towards this in your family. You know your step kids don't like you, you know your kids don't like your DH, you know you don't like your step kids. That's fine. Probably can't change it. But everyone should at least pretend to get along. And I would distance myself from your stepkids too, and guard what I say. No need to put out a huge effort for people you suspect really don't like you. You don't have to be mean about it or announce it, just quietly do less. 

NicoleRB's picture

It is surely easier to be fake when you aren't around much. I want to like them and I think I would if they weren't fake. My boys don't dislike their SD but they aren't overly polite because that's not who they are. I guess I should be happy that we don't all live together anymore but I rather have everyone just be real together. I do need to work on being ok with them not liking me. Smile

Trudie's picture

Your comment about coming together at the holidays resonates with me. I ask, why is it so important to share holidays when there is no bond? Pretending doesn't make it so. I am interested in 'real' connections and resent giving up what should be a special time with those I love and who love me back, to make time for those who do not care about me. Gifts and hugs do not make up for being dismissed the rest of the year. Thank you, no. 

My son and his SO came over for Christmas. We had a lovely day, with genuine interaction. He and my DH get on very well; they have some similarities...occupation, kindness, acceptance of others, and they both excel in the social graces. I count myself fortunate in this aspect of our life together.

As to fake, I am not good nor wish to be good at fake. I believe in genuine kindness. When that is not returned, I am cordial and move on.

ImperfectlyPerfect's picture

I totally understand this - fake nice in front and BS behind my back. I am not sure which is worse because each are equally destructive. However I think what makes either of them worse is when the SP is invalidated...if it's more subtle and fake it's more likely DH and others will not see the digs behind the scene and why it is upsetting. More overt it's likely to be viewed but still could be invalidated in a toxic enviroment. Years ago my SSs would literally say horrible things right to my face in front of DH and others - people would turn a blind eye. This happened with finances (ransacking and piling up crazy bills on us, etc) too. THe invalidation from overt behavior would be incredibly painful.

As they got older they became more covert and one adult SS loves to be the victim in all stories. It was also equally painful and horrible. 

But what I learned is it was the invalidation from DH that was really stinging. Once I learned to not care about needing the validation or emotional support for the poor treatment a lot of the stuff went away. They still pull stuff -

For example, DH tried to convince me that older adult SS is nice to me and wants me apart of his child's life. I said how? Then I started the subtle covert crap - 1. When have I ever recieved a photo of the baby? 2. Has he ever placed me on the family group text message in the last 6 months or does he communicate separtely to the entire family except for me? 3. Was there a request for me to even hold the child ? If the answer is no, no and no then....that's all you need to know. Of course who knows if DH absorbed the facts but at this point I don't care - I don't need the validation. 

To answer the question in short form: whether it's overt or covert / right in front of your face or subtly behind your back, where the pain deep down is coming from is the invalidation from the SKIDs and then the subsequent invalidation by those around you who state they love you. IMHO.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

I think the preference depends on what sort of person you are. I don't do well with inauthentic people and drove myself half crazy trying to discern what was real. My nervous system recognized the b.s., but I lost trust in my own perception because no one else seemed to see it. And I agree that having a partner who invalidates us makes things worse. 

 

NicoleRB's picture

This is exactly how I feel -- I am really not good at fake. It is hard to trust and it is hard to decifer what is real. I just went on a long walk with my SS & DH and told myself I was going to shut up and not talk my head off or make them think I am monopolizing the conversation. I do that because I can't stand akward silence but I think my SS does it on purpose to make me look like I do. See, the trust is gone sadly. 

Rags's picture

I would be hip deep up the asses of your kids and your SKids.  

I find your prevarication regarding your own kids as being genuine but less polite while your SKids are entirely polite but less "genuine to be interesting. I would say that your kids are rude and disrespectful to you DH and your home. 

Your kids are also disrespectful slobs leaving empty drink cans around the house.

I would say based on the "kid appeal balance sheet score" that your SKids actually tick more boxes of decency than your BKs do though the eye roll snarky look crap would drive me nuts though less than the rude slob bullshit would cause me to grumble about.

So. What are the qualifications  and quantification of genuineness?  Rolling eyes and tilted head looks occasionally is is not being genuine and being openly distant, rude, and a slob is?

How exactly does that work? 

Someone who is genuine can still be an impolite rude asshole.  Someone who is polite and decent may not be genuine.

I would call your kids on rude and slovenly behavior and your SKids on the snarky eye rolls and looks rather than taking some position that your kids are at least genuine position.

Pretty much my position is that if a kid is not well behaved I can't stand them. I do not go deeper than that. Decency, honesty, genuineness, etc... pretty much are required or the kid suffers an escalating state of abject misery and  is confronted instantly each time they fail to deliver reasonable behavior.  Rude, slob behavior, eye rolls and snarky looks are all met with full frontal instant call out and accountability. I couldn't give a crap about the deeper analysis.  All of these kids would rue the day if they were in my life and played the crap they each play. Decency or misery. Their choice. 

IMHO of course.

NicoleRB's picture

I never said I thought my sons behavior was acceptable. I just think it is more typical teen boy behavior and I see it from other teens (social awkwardness, leaving soda cans out after drinking them) as typical behavior that you punish kids for-- and my sons do get consequences. I was just saying that my SKs appear to be perfect on my DHs eyes but it is not real. I'd rather be reminding them to pick up after themselves rather than see them throw each other knowing glances when I make a pancake that isn't cooked in the middle. It is really hard to do tough love with todays kids, especially if you are divorced because both sets of kids have zero rules at their single parents house because they are buddies. 

AlmostGone834's picture

Throwing knowing glances about pancakes... yes it's rude and frustrating. Unfortunately I'm guessing your husband is unlikely to catch these subtle rude behaviors? If so then it's really hard to call them on it if he won't back you up. 

I have a motto that I've adopted as I've gotten older... "If you don't like the way I cook/clean/run my house then there's a motel/restaurant in town. You're free to go there and spend your own money or not come here at all" These are adults. They can head off to Dennys if they want pancakes. 

If I was dealing with that subtle rudeness I wouldn't be around them. I'd cook what I want to eat and they can either have some or go get it elsewhere. I wouldn't spend time with them when they were visiting either. If DH asks why I'd tell him 

Elea's picture

I expect basic civility to be met even if it means faking it but other than that the phony-ness drives me nuts. My SD's are fake in everyday life, just like BM. They are superficial and they get mad when I won't match that energy. If I don't like you you will know it. My face can't lie. I would be a terrible poker player.

Harry's picture

They must respect you and your home.  Your SK show you respect,  they try to have a relationship with there father.  You just dint fit into that '''happy family''.  Your kids aren't real respectful to DH.  Living home so much opens roads to disagreement s. 
'You should talk to your DS's.  
Telling them DH is your DH, his work pays for the hone and the running of said home . Hes paying for the electric, internet, food ect. And he deserves there respect for what he is doing.  They don't have to '''like him'''' but he must be respected.

its easiest to be respectful when you only have to do it for short periods of time.  You don't get involved in everyday drama. Of ''the Hapoy family'''. 

ESMOD's picture

I believe that people should be civil in the home.. even if they don't "feel like it".  I have more of a problem with your sons being rude and disrespecting your home because it i also your DH's home.. and he should not be subjected to that.. not in a place he pays for too.  Your kids don't have to love him, but they need to be doing better. period.

The fakeness from his kid.. who knows, maybe they are trying. it's possible that they may not be as ungenuine as you think... it's possible for kids to roll their eyes at their bio parents too when the bio parent says something they find "old fashioned" etc.. But even so, at least they were taught to be polite... even if it might be to people they dont align with.  I mean, it's not being fake... in the work world, they need to be polite to that coworker they dislike right? that boss who is a jerk.  Perhaps being pleasant outwardly is them avoiding conflict.  

Being rude and using the "hey.. just being my authentic self"... is an excuse imho.. 

I would rather have to suffer a fake pleasant visit vs one that is outwardly antagonistic.

I mean, my OSD.. she didnt say or do too much rude behavior.. but I knew she would have preferred to not be around me/us.  My preference would have been for her to actually want to be there.. but I would have NOT wanted to be asked to tolerate rudeness and disrespecting behavior to the home.  

NO, I don't like fakeness.. but i hate rudeness and hostility too.. and the latter is more stressful honestly. with someone I think is fake.. I just superficial right back.. soldier through