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To send, or NOT to send... Christmas gifts to bf's ex-wife's 2yr old with new husband???

Hopeful378's picture

BACKGROUND:
I met my fantastic boyfriend earlier this year and we've been dating since. My boyfriend unfortunately has a psycho ex-wife. She divorced my boyfriend over 4 years ago, for a guy she was having an affair with.

My boyfriend and his ex-wife have 2 wonderful sons together. She currently lives several states away with their two sons. She also has a two year old, with the guy she had an affair with, divorced my boyfriend for, and then married. Even though she divorced my boyfriend over 4 years ago, she tries every couple of months to "get my boyfriend back". It's really quite sad.

DILEMMA:
When we visit them, she demands that my boyfriend spend the same amount of time with all three of her kids! Even though he's only the dad of two of them. If her 3rd son doesn't get included 100% she throws a complete fit! My boyfriend has known of her 3rd son because of staying in contact with his two sons. Her 3rd son even calls my boyfriend "daddy" and she makes no attempt to correct the two year old from calling my boyfriend "daddy" EVEN in front of his actual dad. It's just creepy.

I know that Christmas is a time for giving, sharing, love, family, etc. However, how do I handle the insanity that comes with dating a great guy with a crazy ex-wife, who thinks we should send ALL of her kids presents on Christmas?? I feel that being nice to the kid is one thing. Sending him gifts is another.

My boyfriend and I have tried to set boundaries with her regarding there being two separate "families" here. She flipped out when my boyfriend told her that they are not friends. They are simply the parents of two great boys. He wants to be civil with her, but not be her emotional support system everytime things begin falling apart with her current husband.

QUESTION:
My question is this... is it "Scrooge-like" to not send Christmas presents to her 3rd son? I don't want to be one "big happy-dysfunctional family unit". I feel it is healthy to have boundaries and establish who each child's actual parents are. I also feel that it is important to set healthy expectations for all of the kids involved here regarding presents around Christmas, Birthday's, etc. Do any of you have advice? Has anyone delt with this before?

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disgusted's picture

I would just send for his two sons....

In a perfect world their would be retroactive abortion capabilities. ~ disgusted

melis070179's picture

I was pretty much in your EXACT situation! Background - my DH married BM when she was 7 months pregnant with her son, thinking he was his dad. One year after her son was born, she cheated and got pregnant with another man's baby. They separated but eventually he took her back & tried to make it work. She had the baby, and about 9 months later she started cheating again with a different guy. Got pregnant again. He divorced her, she moved back to her home state with both kids and one on the way. I guess you could say DH was her 1st daughters stepdad for the 1st 9 months (although the actual definition of stepdad refers to children from a PRIOR relationship!) The real dad was also around for the 1st 6 months of the baby's life. Anyways, when I came into the picture 5 years later, we went to her state to visit his family (Bm lives 20 min away from his family). We went to pick up her son (we didn't find out until this year he's not actually my DH's) and her 2 daughters come running out of the house screaming daddy daddy. I about fell over! I was like why in the hell are these 2 girls calling you daddy? I could see the irritation in his face as soon as he heard them. Mind you, he had only seen these girls 3 times in the 5 years since the divorce, and only when picking up her son for a visit when he was in that state. He always tried to get them to call him by his name but BM was always pushing them to call him "daddy". She would try to get my DH to let the older daughter come visit (in a different state) with her son. He always said no. She really tried to make him the father because he was married to BM for the 1st 9 months of her life. Then the younger girl somehow followed suit, even though they weren't together when she was born. My DH is a nice guy, he never wanted to say anything to the kids, but he was always trying to confront the BM about it without causing waves. She's very manipulative. She would say things like "but they don't have a daddy" Thats the difference in our stories, neither guy she cheated with stuck around for long so these girls didn't have daddies, but she DID have her BF playing daddy to them...they called him daddy too. Anyway, he finally told BM off, told her he was not their daddy & she needed to stop confusing them. He told her he was never going to take them on visits like she wanted him too, never going to respond if they called him daddy, basically never going to be a daddy to them...all things he had tried to gentally tell her before but she was just not listening. She threw a fit, badmouthed him to everyone, did everything she could to try to get him to play daddy. He stood his ground and now its been almost 3 years since that incident. She's completely crazy. Just tell your DH to stand his ground, she will throw a fit but eventually she will get over it. Tell him to tell her child to call him by his name. Thats confusing for the child & disrespectful to his dad for her to allow it.

"Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's too much fraternizing with the enemy"

Hopeful378's picture

Thanks for your comment melis070179!! I really appreciated reading what you said. I don't understand why these BM's try to confuse their kids about who their dad is. I feel better that I'm not the only one. Have a great day! Smile

Hopeful378's picture

I know!!! What nerve to cheat on their guy, then when their guy has moved on and found someone else- they try to crawl back to what they chose to leave!

Thanks for your comment. I appreciated it. My boyfriend is in the same spot as far as knowing if he is actually the father of the 6 yr old. He looks nothing like my boyfriend- which doesn't mean he's not the father, but it would bring peace of mind to actually know for sure, or not. Have a great day! Smile

Hopeful378's picture

I know!!! What nerve to cheat on their guy, then when their guy has moved on and found someone else- they try to crawl back to what they chose to leave!

Thanks for your comment. I appreciated it. My boyfriend is in the same spot as far as knowing if he is actually the father of the 6 yr old. He looks nothing like my boyfriend- which doesn't mean he's not the father, but it would bring peace of mind to actually know for sure, or not. Have a great day! Smile

new_step_mommy's picture

....I wouldnt! You should send them to your ss but not her kids. Our BM freaked out last year when we refused to send all of SS presents that we got him to her house. Her excuse was "I dont have money to get him many presents, so you can't get him very much" then she said "You have to send his presents home with him after he opens them" OVER MY DEAD BODY! I would like for SS to have things to play with here as well. Since we said that we would not send home the presents and DH refused to spend Christmas with her (just her SS and him, I his wife was to stay home) our punishment was that we did not get to see or talk to him at all Christmas Eve or Christmas day, even tho it was to be our visitation. So this year our attorney made it so that we have him all day Christmas Eve until December 28th.

Hopeful378's picture

OMG!!!! That's crazy that she would try to pull that crap on you & your DH! ugh... the crap they try to get away with is mind blowing. I'm glad that you & your DH got your attorney to fix the visitation schedule.

Thanks for your comment. I'm so glad to know that I'm not the only one with this drama. Have a great day.

NCMilGal's picture

her 5-yr-old on DH's family. Tries to drop him off at MIL's with SD, won't send pictures of SD by herself, guilted DH into standing in as the child's godfather (because his father ran off and before DH grew a spine) it goes on and on. We retaliate by either not getting him anything, or getting him the most ANNOYING noise-making cheap toy we can find. Two years ago that was a spinning singing Christmas toy with the handle full of candy. (~$3) Annoying and giving him a sugar high for BM to deal with. Win!

~Trish

Hopeful378's picture

How totally annoying, Trish!! I can relate to having a hard time getting pictures of my boyfriend's two sons. BM says she's going to send the latest school pics, etc. whenever it plays into her best interest.

I think that's totally funny that you send the noisiest toy you can find! I wanted to do that... but didn't. I got a laugh from your story though. Thanks for your comment. Have a great day.

Rae's picture

This child is the sibling of your H's sons. Would it really hurt to provide a present to the youngest "brother?" Just so he's not left out? Who are the adults and who are the kids? Can't we rise above the dysfunction for the kids sake? Personally, I'm a child of divorce, with step siblings, half siblings, multiple step parents...and we all try our best to be loving and accepting to all. It's not always easy, but looking back, I'm sure glad my parents took the high road in their relationships and encouraged me to do the same. To me, in this case, it's really not about boundaries, it's about civility and love for others. I'll get off my high horse now....sorry if I offend anyone.

melis070179's picture

I don't find it offensive at all...its your opinion, you are entitled to it! I don't personally agree because I have seen what this leads to, but thats what this site it for...different perspectives!

"Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's too much fraternizing with the enemy"

Hopeful378's picture

I do not agree with you, Rae. You can only try so many times to "get along" until you realize that the other party (the BM) is not going to ever be truthful, peaceful, respectful, considerate, etc. etc. She uses the kids as pawns to make everything "all about her". She forbids the kids from talking to my boyfriend if she is in the LEAST bit upset with my boyfriend for anything! It's just not right.

That's great that your parents were able to make it work, civilly. That was my hope, but unfortunately not reality in this case. Thanks for your comment.

bewitched's picture

"To Thine Own Self Be True" William Shakesphere

This is a sick little game she's playing...and sure to confuse the kids. I never like to see little ones hurt, but better they realize now, that your H is not their father, than later.

I would say if you do decide to buy a gift for her 3rd son, have it be from the kids. That way, the child still has a gift to unwrap (assuming he is getting little else), but your H is not taking on the "Daddy" role.

Personally, for me it would depend on whether the 3rd child is not well provided for (would get very little) or if he has plenty without your contribution.

4ofus's picture

the 3rd child doesnt understand.. its the BM that does. We, too, had this issue, BM wouldnt correct her 3rd child(not DH's) when he would call him daddy. Its sad that these kids fathers are not in their lives enough for them to understand the difference!!

This is a hard situation to be in when you really don't want to hurt the kids. I would think that your skids would be able to let their sibling know that they do not have the same father?

Hopeful378's picture

Thanks for your comment, bewitched. I like your idea of having a gift come from my boyfriend's sons. I also agree that it's better to for the 3rd son to know sooner than later, that my boyfriend is NOT his dad.

My boyfriend has been trying to set boundaries with BM for a long time. He finally got sick and tired of her ranting & raving, and told her it must stop. She had blamed the fact that he didn't talk to her very often anymore on me! When I really didn't have anything to do with it. After she heard him say, "We are not friends. We are simply the two parents of two kids. Nothing more..." she stopped throwing as BIG of fits....

The 3rd son is WELL provided for. He is a spoiled little guy. So, he's not going to be lacking for presents to open on Christmas.

Thank you for your comment. Smile

melis070179's picture

well if he's well provided for, I wouldn't get him anything. Especially because he's too young to even understand who its from! He's just gonna think its another present, not from his brothers. This will only fuel BMs fire...don't give in to her!

"Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's too much fraternizing with the enemy"

Cristina's picture

I really wish my bf had told me about both daughters when we met. He told me of the first child that hes not in contact with wich is fine lol but not fine I wish he was in contact with her. My bf has a second daughter with long ago ex she cheated on him and had another child he says that when she cheated on him they split up but the strange thing is he only found out that his 3rd daughter wasnt his 4 years ago and he doesnt do much for her when her mom has bf's he feels its their duty to play daddy. He doesnt pay childsupport for this kid but he still takes her once in a while when he takes his daughter. His actual daughter has a jealousy issue with it that the bf over looks because he is not real dad. She wants her dad to her self wich is understand able. Its just a messed up situation. Hes a great dad wich is one of the reasons I fell for him over. I have so many issues with this. I feel like hes rewarding the ex who cheated on him and doing her favors by taking her every so often. I havent told him how I felt because I dont really know my self what the real issue I just feel somethings not right and I cant put my finger on it. It has nothing to do my fear of him going back to the ex. I think it may be the boundaries.