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Fruits's picture

SS was jumping on his trampoline and dd got up there with him. He's been told not to jump on it when dd is on there because she is little and will fly off. Instead of stopping and coming to get dh or I and tell us dd is on the trampoline, he keeps jumping. He got to close to dd and she flew off and landed on a garden stone breaking her arm on the growth plate. She had surgery this morning to fix it. I am so done with ss. He has no problem hurting others and he just doesn't care. I asked him what was he thinking and he said he told her to get off and was calling me to come get her. He said she needs to listen better. I almost attacked him but dh got him out of my sight. I don't know how my marriage is going to make it if dh keeps bringing ss over. There is something seriously wrong with this boy and no one will listen to me. He will never be alone near my dd again!

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DaizyDuke's picture

Did the hospital hotline? I find it hard to believe that you had your DD there what a month or so ago? for a concussion and now a broken arm and someone hasn't hotlined yet?

There are so many people "at fault" here, not just your SS. Sure SS should have stopped jumping and helped DD off the trampoline. But DD should have been being supervised by an adult and shouldn't have had the opportunity to get on the trampoline, especially if adults in the home knew that SS was on it. And DD should have strict instructions drilled into her head that she is NOT allowed on the trampoline without an adult. sounds like the perfect storm of negligence by EVERYONE.

ETA: I see that she had her concussion the end of July and CPS was involved. Is that case still open? I'd hang on to my drawers, because this does not look good. Sad

Fruits's picture

We spoke with a social worker yesterday and she just said we were having a rough spell. She knows that once again ss hurt dd. He needs to be out of my house and never around dd again!

DaizyDuke's picture

But SS did NOT hurt DD. He did not make her get on the trampoline, he did not chuck her off the trampoline, he did not get on the trampoline with intentions of breaking DDs arm. But whatever. It is what it is. I'm out.

IDontCare3117's picture

You're absolutely right! You should pack bags for yourself and DD this very minute and be gone by the time DH gets home! It's really the only reasonable solution when it comes to protecting your DD.

Disneyfan's picture

How in the world did a preschool kid make it out of the house, across the yard and onto a trampoline without either parent being aware of it?

Fruits's picture

I was making dinner and dd asked if she could go out back which is fenced in and dh said yes. He told her he'd be right out after he went to the bathroom. Before he got out there ss had already hurt dd.

DaniellaR's picture

Seriously? A child under 5 should listen to the rules perfectly but a 14 year old cannot be expected to not seriously injure a small child?

Disneyfan's picture

The 4 year old keeps getting hurt because she does not listen.

She has been told not to bite.(something that should not be an issue at her age). She bites her older brother, which resulted in her getting hurt.

I'm going to assume there ade rules im place regarding the trampoline. If so, again she ignored the rules and got hurt.

If the OP is truly afraid that SS is out to hurt her kid, she wouldn't let her out of sight.

DaniellaR's picture

A 4 year old cannot be expected to listen better than a 14 year old. Is this one of those scenarios where you are just blindly defending a skid because it is a skid? What if it were the bio that broke the skids arm? Are you still going to say the skid deserved it? That's pretty much what you are claiming here, that a four-year-old deserved her arm to be broken because she didn't listen. What sick logic.

WagiMorri's picture

Googling Trampoline safety and the first rule:

1. Children age 5 and under should not be permitted on a trampoline.

This is a lesson in why such a rule exists. I am sorry to hear your little one has such a severe injury, poor kiddo. I've never had a broken bone myself, knock wood.

Willow2010's picture

If an adult would have supervised her correctly, none of this would have happened. Your SS did not hurt your DD. He was being a normal obnoxious teen. He did not throw her off.

You “claim” SS keeps hurting your DD right? If you truly thought SS was hurting her, then you would not let her alone with him. I mean, you keep leaving them together. I am almost to the point that you are knowingly putting your DD at risk so that she can get hurt and you can get rid of SS.

justkeepstepping's picture

Why would you have your trampoline placed an area with garden stones on the ground around it in the first place? That seems pretty dangerous to a child of any age jumping on a trampoline. I also find it strange that a 4 year old could get on the trampoline by herself. Do you have steps next to it that allow her to climb up? Did you even see what actually happened?

Bottom line, you let your 4 year old be unsupervised in the back yard that had a trampoline in it. Not to mention that you knew she was unsupervised and SS was in the back yard. You're also admitting that in a rage you almost attacked a 14 year old child.

Saying your SS hurt her over and over again won't make it true. If he told your DD to get off the trampoline, and she already knew she shouldn't have been on it, she should have listened and got off of the trampoline. She's 4. She's not a toddler.

Willow2010's picture

Saying your SS hurt her over and over again won't make it true.
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THIS!

Steppedonnomore's picture

In June you swore that SS would never be alone with DD, yet it happened. I think the potential for DD to be accidentally injured when interacting with SS is great simply due to the age/size difference. You don't want SS anywhere near DD but this is your DH's son and he has every right to be in the home. I think you are limited in your options. You can either be hyper-vigilant in supervising the two of them anytime they are together, you can take DD and leave anytime SS is around, or you can live apart from DH. I think only the first option gives your marriage any chance.

ESMOD's picture

TBH, if you seriously feel your SS is INTENTIONALLY injuring your DD and you and your DH have not taken steps to ensure that your DD is supervised properly while your SS is in the home then the only people I can find fault with is the adults that seem to think there is a problem but are doing nothing to stop it.

This isn't the first accident. Among siblings, it generally wouldn't be the last one either. You have had a couple bad ones but no one but you seem to think that any of this is being done with malice. You can call your SS careless as he is an immature boy and doesn't have the forethought to understand how his actions or reactions might impact another person. But, you have stated in the past that they would not be allowed alone together... yet it happened again. And...your DH seems to be complicit in this happening. Does HE have it out for your DD? I doubt it.

You really only have a few options. Being vigilant in supervising your daughter is one. That means if you can't rely on your DH to do it, you don't rely on him and you do it yourself. She plays in the kitchen with you.

Or... you can decide to leave the home with your daughter when there is visitation to remove yourselves.

Getting your SS "kicked out" of the home isn't going to happen. You and your DH would most likely split up over that and he would get visitation and guess what???? he will have your DD around his son and you won't be there to stop anything from happening.

notsofast's picture

I completely agree that a 14 year old should know better than to continue bouncing roughly on a trampoline when a 4 year old gets on it.

I have a 15 year old nephew and a 5 year old niece who are siblings. He absolutely would stop immediately if she got on a trampoline. He would also hold his sibling's hand crossing the street or watch her for a few minutes with no issues if Mom or Dad have to go to the bathroom. He would tell her to step away from a railing that he thinks looks dangerous or hold her hand so she can stand near a lake. He would swim with her and make sure she wears a life jacket. And yes, the 5 year old goes outside in the yard by herself. They did have a trampoline until recently, as well, since she was about 2. Part of being an older sibling is looking out for your younger siblings. If you aren't willing to do that, you follow the rules like "stop bouncing if she gets on the trampoline" to protect her or just because that's the rule.

It sounds to me like the 14 year old is just as guilty of "not listening" as the 4 year old and he is very aggressive towards her.

How has your DH handled this? Is DD his daughter? Does he believe SS has jealousy issues with your DD? Is your SS acting out towards her out of some jealousy that she gets access to their dad all the time? Has anyone sent this kid for therapy or an assessment? is he aggressive to anyone else? Does he have any other siblings on his Mom's side?

ESMOD's picture

The problem is that this is not the first incident that has occurred where SS is being painted as having done things intentionally to try to hurt his younger sister. If a parent truly felt that this was a possibility then there is no way they should allow a young child to be around that other person unsupervised.

The 14 yo is also supposedly rather small for his age.. so again, he somehow flung her off there? Maybe the real story is that she climbed up there and fell off or bounced off on her own accord?

To be honest, it really just screams out for a situation where these parents need to watch the younger child more carefully.

Blaming the SS does nothing constructive and doesn't solve anything. The kid isn't going to cease to exist.

notsofast's picture

My concern for SS is that he is not displayed appropriate empathy or concern for his half-sister (I assume half sister).

I don't think labeling him as evil is the way to solve this.

But the lack of empathy and the lack of care for a younger sibling is concerning to me. If they don't seek help for him (not because he's evil but because he is struggling) and at the same time, protect her more then they risk losing their children. They are neglecting BOTH.

I say this as someone who used to consult with child protective services.

ESMOD's picture

I think he might display more empathy if he didn't have a stepmother who reacts with rage and wants to attack him. That kind of response will get a "It wasn't my fault" response... Even further blaming her for even being there and that is why she got hurt.

I also think that based on the perspective of this post, we don't know if he is displaying any empathy or not.

I will agree 100% that this family needs counseling. SS has gone through a lot and his SM is blaming him for things that may/may not be his fault... but he is being protected by no one right now.

notsofast's picture

He sounds angry and likely depressed.

Even with an "It's not my fault" response to the SM, some level of concern for the half-sister's injury would be appropriate in a healthy sibling unless there's a lot of jealousy and rivalry.

It seems like most people here are discounting the SM's perspective here. She seems very upset on here, but I find that I am rarely as angry in person as I allow myself to be online, when venting. That is the perspective I am coming from when reading her posts.

Is there a history of deleted blog posts or something that I can't see?

ESMOD's picture

I'm not sure if there are any deleted posts. But we are taking the OP's word for it that "he doesn't care". And she uses the word "attack" not yell... not cuss out..

I mean, I get that this site is a vent site, but I think a lot of people here see a boy who has had to deal with a lot of seriously bad stuff. He has been bullied to the point where he actually was seriously injured himself.

At almost every juncture, the SM has implied or accused him of wrongdoing or ill intent.

Yes, the kid may be depressed and need counseling, but i would suggest that the original poster and her DH also need to do some family work because right now, things won't go really well for a family when one adult detests one of the children.

notsofast's picture

I see DH as a major part of the problem. She describes him as frozen or not sure what to do. He didn't protect his child from a bully who seriously injured him. But he did try to pay the problem away when SS fought back. So he didn't stand up for SS even then.

Here's the thing... in my line of work we always know that when a child presents for counseling it is rarely ONLY the child that needs counseling. Family systems shape the child. Getting a child counseling with a good counselor with usually lead to family therapy. In this case particularly so.

I understand her anger too. I doubt her DH is reacting strongly or protecting her DD well either. He's already proven he freezes and doesn't handle anxiety/conflict/stress decisively. She is probably making up for his lack of response in her responses. She is probably angry with DH for not protecting DD herself... not realizing that her SS has the same anger and rightfully so.

ESMOD's picture

I get your point. I agree that getting the boy into some counseling and having his parents and stepparents involved in that process might go a long way to healing the divide.

I do understand the OP's anger at her child being hurt... I just wish I could see more empathy on her part towards the SS who may or may not be acting out intentionally.

notsofast's picture

Just reread your blogs... this is the kid with the bully that he assaulted and the bully ultimately died, but by someone else's hands?

This child needs counseling. For being bullied, for becoming a bully, for the bully dying. All of it is a mess. There must be a ton of chaos going on inside him right now.

For your DD, keep her away from SS. Those who are bullied sometimes become bullies of those smaller than them. Your DH needs to get SS some treatment to help him through all of this.

I used to work with troubled children. This is not normal behavior for a 14 year old.

thinkthrice's picture

SS seems more like a manipulative 6 yr old than a 14 yr old. Very emotionally immature not unlike YSS in my case who is the same age. I agree with the others. Don't let DH fo the child minding. You'll need to be constantly vigilant from here on out.

steppingback's picture

How does a 4 year old child climb up on a trampoline by herself?
Aren't they fairly far above the ground?
Has she ever climbed up there by herself before?
If not, how did she get up there?
If, so what protections were put in place to prevent this from re-occurring?

And I keep picturing a teenager on a trampoline bouncing high enough to fling a 4 year old off of a trampoline.
That would be some serious bouncing.

There seems to be a certain amount of malice on SS's part but the child should never have been in his path.

WTF...REALLY's picture

As a past trampoline owner, I never let my young kids in the backyard unsupervised for even a moment. They can fall through the springs and bounce off themselves without anybody else on it.

Do you know how many people get hurt on trampolines every single year?

If you're going to allow a four-year-old into a yard by themselves with the trampoline, you one....can't have stairs to it, and second .....you have to have a net around it.

And believe me, we got pretty rough the trampoline. Would soak it down with a hose....would bounce on it in the rain. Use boards on it to do flips on. Put it near pools we could bounce into the pool. We got crazy. But we did it with more thought. Hence, nobody got hurt.

Willow2010's picture

this is the kid with the bully that he assaulted and the bully ultimately died
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Oh gah. This is that poster? This is the step son who stabbed a kid that was trying to kill him right? And no adult was protecting SS from the assailant.

That idiot was MUCH more that your run of the mill bully. He was trying to actually kill her SS. SS did what he had to do. I feel so bad for this kid.

Uhhh fruit…I don’t think I would attack this kid. He had to learn how to take care of himself with people who want to do him harm.

notsurehowtodeal's picture

SS in this story did not kill the bully. SS stabbed the bully after the bully broke his arm, but the bully recovered. Bully went after another kid who had 3 older brothers who ended up killing the bully. I tried to find a news story because I was curious about what happened to the 3 brothers, but couldn't find anything on-line.

SourGrapes's picture

I was just about to say something about a net! I don't have a trampoline personally, but several friends and neighbors do and every single one that I can think of has a 360º net around it.

notsofast's picture

Fruit,

There is so much going on in your family right now. I know you are terrified for your DD. I am so sorry she has gotten hurt in all of this.

If you want SS to stop acting out this way you will have to push your DH to get him counseling. He has been through a lot. I know you are having a hard time having empathy and compassion for him because he hurt your DD.

What I want you to see is that he is continuing a cycle of violence that was perpetrated on him.

No adult protected him from his bully.

You are trying to protect your DD from him, while he is acting as a bully.

That is enraging him more. No one protected him when he needed it. He had to take matters into his own hands. He shouldn't have had to do that and he is hurting, deeply.

Your DH was frozen during a lot of this with the bully and when the bully died. Your DH likely feels a ton of guilt. Putting SS in counseling will feel like blame to your DH. You will have to push. You may have to make a stand about it.

If you leave your DH, he will get visitation of your DD sometimes. Your DD will be around SS, no matter if you are living in the home or not.

Your best bet is to show SS the grace, empathy and support he needed when he was bullied and get him counseling now. If he gets counseling now, your DD will be safer. If you leave with her, she will not be. You also will have taught SS that bullying makes him powerful enough to break up a marriage and DD's home.

Try to breathe and look past your anger. Do you want this solved for everyone or do you want to be angry?

TwoOfUs's picture

How did she get up on the trampoline in the first place? I have a nephew who just turned 4, and he can't get on the trampoline unless someone gives him a boost. It's right at the top of his head, and kids that age don't have the upper body strength for what's basically a full pull-up.

I disagree with everyone saying that you should have to watch your 4-year-old all the time in her own backyard. Please. 4 is plenty old enough to go play on a swingset or or other outdoor toys in a fenced backyard with mom looking out the window every so often...especially if an older sibling is out there, too, Heck. At 14, I was walking to neighbor houses and babysitting 2-3 kids at a time all by myself...in the days before cell phones.

Similarly, my little nephew has an older brother who's about to be 12 and an older sister who just turned 8. They both look out for him and play with him very sweetly and would never do anything to hurt him. If the oldest boy was out on the trampoline and Nephew4 wanted to get up, he's mature enough to help him up and bounce in an appropriate way for a toddler. 4-year-olds aren't that light, either. It would take a TON of force to bounce so hard that the kid would literally fly off the trampoline and land on the ground. I know trampolines can be dangerous...but I'm from a big family with lots of kids who are pretty rowdy...and no one's ever gotten injured or bounced off...whether we were supervised or unsupervised.

Honestly, I just don't know how this happened...did SS boost her onto the trampoline? How did she get on? I also don't know why a 14-year-old can't be careful with a 4-year-old. Again, my stb12-year-old nephew is amazing with the 4-year-old and is able to play with him in an appropriate way for his age. It's really not something that should be beyond the reach of a 14-year-old if he had any empathy or common sense.

Yes. I know it's partly mom and dad's fault as well...but SS isn't blameless here. If I'd been negligent and injured a sibling in this way when I was 14, my parents wouldn't have considered me blameless, I am sure...nor would I have given myself a pass. 14 is plenty old enough to exercise moral judgement and be careful with those who are smaller and weaker than you.

strugglingSM's picture

Based on this and your previous posts, it sounds like SS needs some professional help.

It also sounds like your DD should never be allowed alone with her brother. Perhaps tell her that she is not allowed to be alone with him and put her in time out if she goes near him. Also, your DH should tell your SS that he will not be allowed in the house when she is there. Fourteen is way too old to not stop what you're doing if you know a small child might get hurt by your actions.

If your DH does not see the problem, then it may be worth telling him that if his son is going to be around, you and your daughter will not be around.

If you have not done so already, you might want to consider getting legal protection that prevents your SS from being near your daughter. Two injuries is more than enough and his being bullied in the past does not excuse his behavior.

Livingoutloud's picture

Why isn't your child supervised? And why are there rocks by the trampoline? Why isn't there a net around trampoline? How is little kid managing to get up there, do you have stairs there?

All of this is some serious neglect.

momof3smof2's picture

So you do not have a protective net around your trampoline and you were not supervising your child, but somehow it's your stepsons fault? It's the responsibility of another child to supervise a sibling rather than the parent?

At some point you're going to have to start taking responsibility for your own inaction rather than blaming it on child.

SMto2's picture

Reminds me of the article: http://www.health.com/mind-body/8-things-er-doctors-refuse-to-have-in-th...

That trampoline should be treated like a swimming pool, IMO. I bet if you had a pool out back you would not let your 4 year-old out there unattended. I'm sorry she was injured, but it seems like it could have been avoided by adequate supervision by an adult, not a teenager you don't trust .