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Another Slap in the Face

CastleJJ's picture

I'm feeling bad for DH tonight. DH talked to SS9 tonight for one of their twice a week Skype calls. While they were talking, I heard SS tell DH "My parents..." referring to BM and BM's girlfriend. He later went on to say, "My Moms..." It just rolled off his tongue without a second thought. I watched DH's face immediately sink and he got really quiet. SS didn't notice the change in DH's tone or demeanor. DH didn't comment on it front of SS or correct SS because BM and GF are always eavesdropping feet away and he knew it would lead to immediate email drama from BM and frankly, he just doesn't want to deal with her anymore. 

After DH hung up the phone, he got emotional. He said its hard because SS doesn't even think about it and it is clear SS doesn't really think of DH as "parent". SS knows DH is "Dad" but it seems like Dad is held in different regard to SS, more along the lines of an uncle or generic family member. SS is just so brainwashed. It breaks my husband's heart and mine to watch DH like this. We have tried to combat the PAS by making SS do some critical thinking about the whole situation (not via badmouthing) and get him to question why things are this way, but it never seems to work and SS is always quick to defend BM and GF. DH and I spent a year in court and tons of money to try to get more time with SS (since we are long distance and see him 6 weeks per year) for a judge to basically tell DH to let SS go and just pay CS. DH hates watching BM and GF play "happy little family" with HIS son, while he is expected to sit back, shut up, stay away, and fork out CS. 

DH commented that he is sick of getting hurt like this over and over again, but he knows he would regret dropping rope completely with SS. I hate seeing DH hurt every time he is reminded that he "isn't a parent."  It causes so much heartbreak for him to just try to be in SS' life. 

BM used to rub DH's nose in it for years, telling him, "You'll understand what it means to be a parent when you and CastleJJ have kids." This was her way of downplaying his role and involvement, while praising her hard work as SS' "only parent." Well guess what BM, that's likely going to happen later this year and DH will be an excellent father to our child, which you would already know if you actually let him be a father to SS. But that's your loss... 

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shamds's picture

She would non stop rant about stepdad, they call him "daddy" followed by his name. This stepdad is the affair guy she was cheating on whilst married to my husband and skids know  this.

When my husband wants to meet his daughters who weren't living at biomums home since she kicked them out so sd15.5 & sd 26 live in a home hubby bought post divorce so they had privacy, sd26 will always say no stepdad won't let us drive to you which is half the distance of driving to biomums home. Its purely to inconvenience us when we had 2 small kids and had to play chauffeur till i ended this shit big time

my husband told off eldest sd late 2019 that its very disrespectful that she refused to listen to ny husband but takes the stepdad who had her mum kick out of their home more seriously. If stepdad says no she can't see her bio dad, she doesn't see bio dad. A grown arse adult who isn't independent.

my husband figured if skids have to refer to affair stepdad as daddy, then since i have 2 kids with hubby, they can refer to me by the same title and stop calling me aunty or refuse to acknowledge me at all and just start talking since we have 2 young kids that hubby is not ok with hearing me referred to as aunty and especially in asian cultures you are referred to by your title, if you're stepmum then it's stepmum followed by your name.

bio mum doesn't even have kids with her husband and skids didn't even know she was dating, she married the guy days after divorce was finalised while skids were in school and told them they had a new daddy

bananaseedo's picture

How long were they married?  If the guy has been in her life a very long time, calling him daddy "first name" isnt' the same as calling him dad.  And there are cases where skids are closer to a step-parent then a bio one.  

I understand being upset but there is a difference to kids that are around another parent figure daily vs a visitation-so they may feel closer to him then to call you that title when they don't see you as often and aren't as close, or you haven't been in their lives that much.  I think people get too offended about this - now if a parent is encouraging calling a step dad or mom, they are in the wrong, but sometimes kids make their own choices and in that case I tend to side with respecting how the kids feel.  

I will say, my DH has been a part of the kids lives since they were 8 and 9 and around them ever day-but they still call him by his first name and their dad is dad-even though he made a lot of effort to NOT ever have or see his kids.  

shamds's picture

Sole income earner. Skids knew bio mum was hobagging behind their dads back. The moment she married him in secret eldest sd was about to finish high school and enter university and thats when bio mum saw her opportunity to kick youngest sd out of home.

this was when they ended contact with my husband because of pas and stepdad joined in on the fun kicking youngest sd out of home. They haven't lived with her in like 8 yrs now. Sd's don't even like bio mum (allegedly) because of the lies and neglect etc but they are so pas'd out from bio dad.

bio mum married stepdad in secret who was her affair partner whilst married to my husband before they even separated and bio mum told skids they had a new daddy and forced them to call him daddy and to listen to him more than bio dad despite my husband being the only one financially responsible for them.

ExhaustedByItAll's picture

I'm sure your DH is a good dad, he probably has these crazy things called rules and boundaries! But I am sorry his son is basically not recognizing him at all and getting PAS'd out. It is hard to watch and know there is nothing you can do to make it better. 

Be prepared though when you do have your own, if SS is still around, both you and DH may be criticized constantly for your parenting. Since everything we do is reported back to BM she weighs in on our parenting of toddler too! We are constantly told we are "overprotective" of Toddler (this comes after having to remove Toddler from some dangerous situation that one of the skids has created), we are too strict, we read too much/not the right things to Toddler, Toddler watches too much TV, we let Toddler nap too much, it goes on. Nonstop criticism and telling us what bad parents we are since the day we brought our baby home. 

shamds's picture

Role for younger sd, eldest sd thought she could constantly answer me back regarding the parenting of my kids, doing inappropriate things that crossed extreme lines. She might be a half sister but my kids only started seeing them for several hours when they were 1 & 2.5 yrs old and only on 3 occasions so it does give them the right to think they have any authority over my kids

i told my husbandhe'd lost his bloody mind if he thinks there will ever be a day i answer to his daughters ever regarding the raising and parenting of my kids and that they relay everything about us to bio mum.

my husband finally grew some balls and told off eldest sd just over 2 yrs ago that as i am the primary parent and resident expert, whatever i say regarding my kids is final & not a topic for challenge by sd's. My husband told them he 100% supports whatever i do

because of the disrespect of privacy from sd's i refused to be present at any events or outings with skids. The whole fake niceties and cheap digs at me and non stop rants about bio mum and stepdad and reporting back to them is 1 line i will not have crossed anymore. So when i am not at events, they have bugger all to report.

CastleJJ's picture

BM already spent years emailing DH a "visitation report cards" scolding him for every time SS got a bug bite, sunburn, ate dessert, stayed up to late, etc. during our visitation. When we went to court, the judge did shut that down. It hasn't happened since. 

Luckily, as it relates to this circumstance, we only see SS 6 weeks per year on a long distance schedule so his involvement in our day to day is limited. We also don't tell him anything over the phone because he either reports back to BM and GF or they are eavesdropping nearby. DH maintains firm boundaries and has already made it clear to BM that communication that does not directly relate to SS' medical, schooling, sports, visitation times, or CS will be ignored. He will not entertain anymore "visitation report cards", any other criticism from BM, or any other communication that does not pertain to SS (i.e. our relationship, our kids, our families, etc.)

bananaseedo's picture

Who made the move to be long distance?  Was it BM  or your DH?  Right  or wrong he will have more a superficial/distant relationship with his dad.  They are in his life daily.  

CastleJJ's picture

BM made the move. 

BM and DH dated on and off from high school to the first 2 years of college. During this time, BM had several suicide attempts, ran away from home twice, and engaged in cutting behaviors. She was institutionionalized twice. The therapist determined that this behavior was attention seeking due to emotional neglect from her parents. BM's parents essentially had kids to check off the "life to do checklist" but were not nurturing or loving. After all of the mental health issues started to impact DH's mental health, he decided to take a step back. About a year later, they ran into each other at a community event and her parents pushed them to get back together because BM was "so stable now." So they did. 7 months later, BM ended up pregnant and had gotten off her birth control without telling DH, saying a baby would finally get her the attention she deserved. She dumped DH and told him she was pregnant over text a week later. She ghosted DH for the entire pregnancy. When DH attempted to go to an ultrasound, she sent him on a wild goose chase to a clinic she wasn't even a patient at. 

After SS was born, DH took BM to court for visitation/custody and to confirm CS. BM prolonged the court battle for 2 years, all while denying visitation for the first two years. BM was granted sole legal and physical custody due to the laws about unwed parents in our state. Then she said that SS needed limited visitation with DH, since he had never met him. DH was granted 3 hours every other Sunday. Over the first five years of SS' life, this was only increased at a snail's pace maxing out at 6 hours every other Sunday and 2.5 hours every Monday. When DH would ask for overnights or more visitation, BM always had excuses from appropriate child development, to fake medical conditions, etc. Living locally to BM was hell because it was constant games and demands. She would only offer additional visitation if DH gave her more money and other tactics were played. It was only peaceful when BM got exactly what she wanted and DH rarely gave her what she wanted. He maintained strong boundaries. 

Finally, in Spring 2017, DH pushed for overnights again, threatening court. SS was 5. BM informed DH that she was moving out of state to be with her girlfriend (who we knew nothing about). We consulted an attorney who said that we had no choice in the matter due to her sole custody and the CO not spelling out moving. She moved SS during first semester of Kindergarten, only telling DH a day before they left. 

We have since taken BM to court, which took a year and a load of money, to have a judge tell us to drop rope essentially. We were granted 6 weeks per year (two 2-week stints in summer and alternating holiday breaks) and sports are priority over DH's parenting time per the CO. DH was devastated. 

BM has spent the last 3 years pushing very hard for GF to be SS' other parent. She once told SS that GF and BM are his real parents and that DH was a sperm donor for them. She has encouraged SS to call GF "Mom" since Day 1. BM and GF have also told DH that GF would have adopted SS by now if they didn't benefit from the CS so much, like DH would just willingly allow that to happen, which he would not. GF is listed on all medical and school documents as "Father" and when DH contacts schools and medical offices for SS' records, they state that they were unaware of DH as Father because the record shows otherwise. Every visitation, SS, who is 9, has a perfume covered stuffed animal with BM and GF's perfume all over it for "when he misses them so much." 

DH understands that his relationship with SS will be different due to distance, but this is also just blatant PAS. 

bananaseedo's picture

Oh Yikes, wow, yes in that case, a lot of PAS for sure.  I'm so sorry for your DH and his kid that will suffer from lack of relationship with his dad.  It's sad what these unstable beoches can do, isn't it? 

yougotthis's picture

It's absolutely crazy to me how atrocious some people can be. SS is the one who will ultimetely pay when he realises what his Mother and her GF were doing to keep him away from loving parents like you and your DH. He'll realise when he's older. All you can do for now is keep trying to be apart of his life and never give up, he'll remember that. I'm so sorry you have to go through all this though. 

tog redux's picture

Yeah, this stuff is so hard. At least SS isn't an acting out jerk with you. That's something. And even though he's confused about who is who, he doesn't seem to hate DH or be angry at him. So he might be more resilient than some Of these alienated kids. 

CastleJJ's picture

Yes. We are so thankful for this piece. He is very respectful toward DH and I and wants to see us. The only arguments we get from SS are when our household functions differently from BMs. He always says "Well BM does it this way or BM says..." We always just remind him that each household functions differently and has different rules.

It's just hard because SS never tells DH that he misses him or loves him or anything because his "family" is with BM and GF. He rarely shows DH affection and isn't as comfortable and warm/fuzzy with us like he is with them. Its like he keeps DH at a distance. DH said that SS has never included him in any school projects about family or heritage. SS' school report about his family tree only had BM, GF and BM's family, DH wasn't listed anywhere and SS didn't think anything of it. At one point, SS wasn't even aware that he shares DNA with DH. They did a school project about DNA and SS thought he got it all from BM and GF. He thought he had blonde hair because GF has blonde hair. 

But, it's hard on SS too. Last summer, we were driving to visit family and SS started crying and said "Why don't I see you more?" and DH said that he had tried to work with BM to see SS more but she felt it would be best to have this arrangement (trying not to badmouth BM or disclose the events of our nasty court battle). We told SS that we would love to see him as much as he wanted and that if he wanted to see us more, he needed to tell BM. SS told us that he does tell BM, but she says "No" or "We'll See." Then he turned around in the same breath and said "BM said I can't handle being away from her for more than 2 weeks at a time." We asked SS if he felt he could handle more than 2 weeks at a time and you would have thought we had two heads... it's like he has never considered that question. He is so brainwashed to believe that everything BM says is gospel and never thinks for himself or questions anything. DH is working on this with SS in a way that doesn't PAS against BM.