Can't live with SD- But Don't want to Leave SO.
I am in a pretty stressful situation. Me and my SO have been together for 4.5 years (May 2007).He has 3 daughters, H25, B23, and J21. I have 2 dtrs, A21, C18.
When we started dating he was trying to sell his house during his divorce so he moved him and his adult daughters into a condo a mile away. BM lived in a small apt. a few miles away with her new bf. I moved in with him 9 months after we started dating. At the time, both my daughters(14,17 at the time), his middle child (B19 at the time) and her 27 yo bf (who lived in the master suite in the condo) were the only ones living there. For a brief period my SO was still staying at his house even though he had the condo. His youngest (now J21) at the time was starting her senior year in high school and was so stressed living with B23 that she left and moved in with her bf's parents. My SO kicked H25 out because the cops had been called several times for the "smell of marijuana" throughout the complex :thanks to "special" brownies they baked) and that's when he decided he needed to be at the condo to monitor the situation.
Me and B23 never got along from the moment I arrived and after some major drama(she called the cops after my dtrs graduation party in July 2008 because they were sitting on the porch with friends being too loud and drinking...
(me and SO were at the house cleaning up-and didn't allow any alcohol at the party-so of course the kids hid a bottle back at the condo; (remember B23 was only 19 and did the same thing all time-including smoking marijuana everyday on that same porch!).
At least 3 kids got Underage drinking (including my youngest dtr) and I ended up having to go through all kinds of legal crap and pay fines. That night, he finally kicked her and her bf out. I don't think I had any contact with her for at least a year after that incident. When we got into her locked room, it looked like a scene off the show Hoarders-Buried Alive. The mess she used to leave in the kitchen (and the reason we used to fight) was only the tip of the iceberg. We used to let them keep their door locked for privacy so we had no idea how bad it was. MY SO said he'd never let her move back in.
After a year, his house never sold so we ended up moving back to the house he lived in with his ex and their children. His ex signed over the house since he was assuming all mortgage payments and she moved to DC with her bf. Initially, only me, my SO, and my two daughters moved into the house(October 2008). My oldest, A21, moved in and out after graduation.
Me and his his Ex Hx:
Me and SO' ex used to be good friends. We went to college together and worked in the same department for 8 years. I had gone out partying with her and my SO many times ( we had friends in a local band ;we used to go to all their shows and hang out) I was not the reason her and my SO broke up. She kept that a big secret from everyone at work. She was always tempting my SO to "sleep with so and so" -hoping he would slip up first. But she ended up having an affair and moving out(Feb 07). They Mutually agreed to separate. When me and SO began dating, the ex was actually okay (on the outside) with it. We even went out on dates with her and her new bf. It was a strange situation- cause my SO still had hopes of working things out with her( and he warned me of this several times early on). Eventually she decided to skip town with her bf during her dtr's senior year to live and work near DC (Jan 08).
Initially living in his house was very stressful for me. I didn't know how to feel. I liked living in the condo because it was OUR place- it was neutral ground. His house still had memories of her - and their kids and I couldn't escape it. His parents kept telling us to renovate- and make it our place- with new memories. We began to do just that. He turned a dark- depressing family room into his own MAN CAVE. We redid the laundry room and powder room that was on the same level. We have so many plans for the rest of the house - to personalize it but money always seems to be the issue. Within the first year, we landscaped the entire outside (something she was never interested in doing) and built a huge raised garden in the back yard. At times, I was finally able to feel it was Our place.
___Then in the summer of 2009- before his divorce was final- another meltdown. The Ex's bf left her and she wanted her husband back. She called him and gave him her "I'm sorry, I made a big mistake- take me back". For the entire summer, he let her grovel. She sent him nude photos, they met for "lunch"( he was working in DC ironically at the time). Alot of these conversations and meetings were kept secret from me. I would get a hint of things here and there- he would let it slip when he was drinking! and I had access to his emails- and found some "photos" etc. but I didn't say anything. He insisted he just needed to hear her beg for forgiveness and needed the "closure". So I let it go. I knew that he never got a good reason for her leaving him- he was very good to her for 20 years. He is the sweetest-most caring man I ever met. Everyone has said he treated her like a Queen and couldn't figure out why she left. Everyone chalked it up to a mid-life crisis.
Apparently, some of their conversations did consist of "working things out" and starting over. He must have said to her that "IF" they would get back together- it would have to be after a divorce. He said he only told her those things so she would sign the divorce.(she procrastinated for 9 months by not signing any papers) In late September 2009, The day after the divorce came in the mail, She apparently gave him the ultimatum. It was her or me. He told her that she needed to move on and that he did not want to work things out with her.
This sparked some psychotic episode inside her- she called all the kids and told them some sob story. She told them that I was the reason her and their father couldn't get back together. I was in the way. All three of the kids turned on me-instantly.(even worse than before!). Meanwhile, I am oblivious to exactly what the hell just happened. The kids were mad at him and he had to write each of them a letter explaining his side of the story. I think their parents separation took them by surprise as well and they never really understood what happened (from the beginning). (in public- they always seemed happy and I think they hid their issues from everyone including the kids) By Christmas, nearly 3 months later, the kids were still mad at me. They refused to come to the house. They wrote him notes saying they didn't want me to get them anything for xmas. (I did anyways). I really started to feel I had been betrayed- and I did contemplate leaving him at that time. But he stood his ground with the ex and the kids- and made me feel that he faced a difficult decision and made the choice that he felt was right even if his kids didn't agree.
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In January 2010, his oldest, H25 and her 19 yo bf had to move in because she found out she was pregnant and they were living in a "party house" in the city. As soon as she moved in, the drama began all over again. I think the kids felt territorial about the house they grew up in (which is understandable)and there was still a lot of bitterness over their parents getting divorced. It was extreme tension between all of us for the 4 months they lived in the house.
As soon as H25 and her boyfriend found a place....the next chapter begins May 2010. My SO's middle daughter B23 and her boyfriend were constantly fighting at his parents house. We got called over several times because she was having meltdowns-( They are both immature- all they do is play kid games and smoke weed, she's insecure and became so obsessed that her bf couldn't even watch a TV show with a pretty girl in it- or she'd get jealous (but she wears skimpy outfits in public all them?? She needs serious psychological help!)
Her dad was so happy that she was finally going to break up with him that he told her she could move back home. I KNEW from the beginning it was never going to work out. It didn't work out the first time. It was meant to be "temporary". The initial agreement was she'd pay $200/rent. He was going to save half of it every month until she had enough for a car. I don't think she ever paid him rent. She'd gave him a little here and there for a few months- then nothing. Every few months he would "try" to demand payment- but nothing. Then he gave her a car. Now she had NO reason or incentive to pay him or save money. She sits on the porch everyday- sometimes several times a day smoking her "blunts". She was even brave enough in the winter to smoke it in her room-trying to cover it up with incense.
It has been nothing short of a nightmare for me and my daughter, C18. My dtr has struggled with eating disorders since she was 14. She's been in and out of hospitals, therapists, and other treatment programs. She attends cyber school so she is home all the time. My SO dtr, B23, has purposely wrote mean notes in the bathroom aimed at my daughter.(calling her names-like fat, ugly blah blah blah) She leaves notes all over the house like a childish 10 year old aimed toward me and my dtr. This has gotten worse the last 4 months. Not surprisingly her behavior always gets worse after spending time with her mother- who is rumored to be moving back to town.
We refuse to let her have a lock on her door because of what happened at the condo. It is the only reason her room isn't a complete disaster (although at times it is)- because we can check it daily. She still leaves cups and dishes in her room for weeks- then brings them all down and sits them on the counter-as if they are magically going to get cleaned. She is constantly using up all the towels and then just throws 20 of them in the hallway closet- waiting for magic to happen again. (I have had to buy special towels for my daughter and I wash the ones I use with my laundry-so we know who is putting the towels in the closet.
WE have battled over the same stupid things over and over again. I have requested a "meeting" with all of us many times. But my SO says he doesn't think its a good idea- he's afraid of massive PMS meltdown. I say let the meltdown happen. Every time there is a major blow out between me and his dtr, he "talks" to her. But nothing changes. She has told him many times that SHE is his daughter and she shouldn't have to move out. She wants me and my dtr to move out. She pays no bills. She lives and eats in the house for free. The only food she buys is her "munchies". She doesn't clean up her own messes. She stomps around the house slamming doors and yelling. She cleaned her room last week and threw 3 bags of garbage in the hallway near the kitchen. And I let them sit there- waiting to see if she was going to take them out to the trash can. Nothing. They just sat there. I refused to throw them away. I am always doing these things to prove a point. I will leave HER dishes in the sink for days and days- and wash my dishes on the other side- just to prove a point. Sometimes she will bake at 2 am- leaving pots and pans (again, just like in the Condo) and i refuse to clean them. My SO will come home from traveling- and just do it. We are teaching her NOTHING.
THE FINAL STRAW!!!!!
The other night, I was up late studying and doing homework in the mancave. B23 was watching TV in the upstairs living room and cooking mac and cheese. My dtr's boyfriend is a young college guy who drove an hour to see her- so I offered to make him a grilled cheese sandwich(he looks like he needs 2!). It must have made her mad that I was in the kitchen at the Same time she was. I was putting dishes away- because No one else is going to- while i was making him a sandwich. She must have been stoned and paranoid because she thought I was "making noise" and interrupting her on purpose. She stomped in the kitchen and slammed dishes and huffed and puffed and talked under her breath in the living- turning up the TV volume. I just laughed.
Yesterday, I left for work at 630am. By 830am my daughter is texting me that B23 left notes all over the house, on her door, on the fridge, in the bathroom- very mean notes- calling me fat-her ugly- telling us that we are rude and need to respect HER and HER house, one note said I was rude for making noise putting dishes away when she was trying to watch TV (it was 130am! and she was still awake too).
I have been fuming for 2 days. I am seriously considering moving out. All this stress and tension in the house is unbearable and I can't take it anymore. And my daughter- who is the sweetest person I know- doesn't deserve to be constantly threatened and stressed out over a 23 year old girl- who thinks the Bad Girls Club is "good Tv". She is a snobby spoiled rotten brat. And as much as I would love to say it to her face- I have always restrained myself- even when she has purposely called me and my dtr names.
I have threatened to move out at least 3x since April.-All over the same things that are going on now. But when do I say enough is enough? I am also responsible for my father who has dementia- and he needs someone to live with him or he will have to put in assisted living. I have 2 disabled brothers that I have to help out. My mother recently fell ill and was put in a nursing home- so I've had to help take care of her and all her business. I have an alcoholic sister in FL who just went thru a bitter divorce and is losing her house( and her sanity). I am being stretched in so many directions that I am ready to crack. My girlfriend is struggling financially cause her son is in college- her electric got shut off so I paid over $700 to get it turned back on for her. I LOVE my SO more than anything in the world. And our relationship is something written about in Books. It is the most ideal love relationship. Except for our children- who are ripping us apart. I started looking at houses to rent and I am seriously contemplating on moving out to get away from the craziness in that house but I don't want us to break up over it.
I appreciate anyone who takes the time to read this very long story- and wants to give advice. I am so stressed I feel I can't think logically anymore.
Thanks!
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He is a very big strong biker
He is a very big strong biker looking dude- who is a big marshmallow inside. He hates confrontations. He says he talks to her about things- but nothing changes. I overhead one of their "conversations" and she just manipulates him and whines like a 3 year old. She throws on the guilt about Her being real family and we are just intruders. We don't belong there. Me and her have had issues from the beginning. I have tried standing my ground- trying to prove to her that me and him are together whether she likes it or not. But it is like bulls locking horns- then banging heads into a brick wall. We all just end up walking around ticked off and angry at eachother. He is gone 3 days a week so he usually misses all the drama. When he is home- it's like everyone goes into neutral mode and tolerates eachother. As soon as he leaves- everyone takes off their masks and the drama begins again.
It is frustrating because me and him have a wonderful relationship. He is my best friend and lover. I was married for 19 years to a very controlling abusive man. I never knew what it was like to be treated well-respected-and loved. It is as if we try to separate our relationship from the other issues and its not working. It's like we isolate-B23 issues, Ex issues, so that its not affecting us. But it is affecting us. And I am miserable when he is not home because of all the stress and tension with his daughter. She bluntly told him she has no plans for the future.She just wants to live each day and have fun. Period. No plans for school or tech training. She just wants to coast under the radar- and on daddy's wallet.
I have started packing things up and planned on moving out at least 3x since April. And I mean, seriously packed all my stuff- don't think he realizes how serious the situation is. He just thinks its "pms" between us girls and that things will just be okay. Even if I have to move out, I still want to be with him.
BBGF
So frustrated!!
This is not going to get any
This is not going to get any better, I am sure it will get worse. My main concern is your daughter. She is very vulnerable now, and I think her needs have to come first. And, are YOU truly, truly happy with this man? The history is not good, and his daughters are not ever going to accept you. Your SO is doing NOTHING to help the situation by letting his daughter act this way. She has NO reason to change. She wants you out, and there is no telling what else she may do.
My boyfriend and I have been together 2 years. His 3 adult kids (18, 19, 22) HATE me. One has never met me. His daughter (22) is as horrible as your SO's. She and her brothers get worse every day. The difference is, they do not live with us, and NEVER will. I told them that. They are hateful, scary people. My bf can have a relationship with them that does not involve me. This was their choice and the influence of their spiteful crazy BM. They want my bf to come back to them, so they can all mentally abuse him again, while he supports everyone, as he did for years. They do not bother with him unless they want money, and since he has stopped doing that, they got nastier.
Your SO's kids clearly want him back with their mom. They may actually believe this will happen. He HAS to get them in line NOW, or else your life will get more stressful and sad. If he does not step up, I would leave-your daughter needs you more than you need him. And you do not need to be abused by his brat!
Thank You soo much!!
Thank You soo much!! Everything you said is sooo true and I know it. I am TRULY happy with him. But like you said, I think there is some underlying plot to push me out of his life. All three of his kids secretly want their mom and dad back together. Last August, my anxiety over that possibility increased when his daughter had her first baby. (their first grandbaby). I thought for sure the powerful emotions brought on by this event would cause everyone to Push them back together. (now we have a grandbaby-we should get our family back together). His ex hasn't had another boyfriend or relationship since 2009. Everytime she comes to town they have a "family dinner". I wasn't even allowed to go see his dtr after she had the baby because the ex was there. I had to sneak down to see her when her mom left.
It's not a good situation. And I am going to probably move out because that is what is best for me and my daughter. I already told him that one day-when the kids are truly all grown and moved on- maybe we can live together- its just working out right now
bbgf
I read your story and thought
I read your story and thought that was enough to make anyone move out, but now you add that the "family" gets together to have dinners and you are not allowed at certain "family" things such as the birth of the grandchild. Then, you say you snuck in to see this brat? Whah?
Get the hell away from these people. For the sake of your daughter Go! NOW! This brat SD is terrorizing your kid. The snotty notes you describe are very damaging to a young girl, especially one with body image issues.
Also, I'm not one to judge anyones choices on moral grounds, who cares who lives with whom, but living with a man without marriage is frought with practical problems. For example, did you pay or help pay for any of the remodeling in this house? If so, you have just increased the value of a house that does not have your name on it (unless BF changed the deed). Do you clean this house? You are helping to maintain the upkeep of a house that does not have your name on it. Your money is your money, but your time is your money also. You are wasting your time AND MONEY living in this house. The house is your BF's asset (and by extension his kids' asset)and since the two of you are not married, if anything should happen to him, you'd be out in the cold.
I can't imagine the stress you are under. Maybe it is clouding your thinking. Get out of this house and start building your own assets. If BF loves you he will come see you in YOUR HOUSE. Give yourself and your daughter some peace. Quit wasting your time and money on nasty SDs and all the dysfunctional people in their circle, and that includes your BF if he is enabling their rotten behavior. Give your energy and love to your blood family members whon eed you and love you back.
secondwife64, me and my bf
secondwife64,
me and my bf have been back and forth all day today. He finally agrees that I should move out with my daughter. I don't think he realized the extent of the problem. Sometimes "Love" clouds our thinking. He doesn't want to get married again (he has made that clear) and Yes, I put my money and time into his house. When you believe you are going to "be together forever", you tend to act like nothing will come between you. How wrong I was. Blinded by my love.
It's official. I am leaving. He still wants us to stay together- as do I. But we both agree the situation has turned toxic because of the kids. It's going to be a stressful week!! Thanks for everyone's support and encouragement!! I will be coming back often- cause I fear I need all the support I can get!!
thanks!
BBGF
I'm glad you two could come
I'm glad you two could come to a decision. What horrible circumstances you have been living with. You will probably feel a huge weight lifted off your shoulders when you move out. If that relationship works for both of you, I'm very happy for you!! However, if you want more...if you want to be married to this man, you need to think about this long and hard. It will be easier to think clearly when you are in your own home. I bet your daughter was happy with this news! It's disgusting when adult (I use this term loosely) children act this way. One thing I want to point out...it appears as if when forced to choose, he chose his daughter. This will not end. You need to be prepared for some heartache if you stay with this man. Again, I'm sure you'll be able to think much more clearly when you get in your own place. Maybe he can pay for some renovations to your place since you've invested in his. I hope you get your happily ever after!
I called him after work this
I called him after work this morning ( at 4am!). He is out of state visiting family and friends so I knew he's still be up. He was actually crying and says he is hurting as much as he did when his wife left him. We are both stuck in a bad place. I can't live under the same roof as his daughter and he can't seem to get the guts to use tough love on her and force her to move out. She is capable of doing it, just not willing. I am not sure what the future holds for us but I believe that I do need my own space to think clearly. I need to be away from this situation. I need time to think about our relationship objectively and what it really means. I think we both falsely believed that we could just stay together forever as if we were married. But like someone said earlier- what happens 5 or 10 years from now when we break up and I've invested time, money, and heartache into something that I can't ever get back. Although I am still looking online for a place, I am not making any rash decisions until we can talk face to face on Thursday when he comes home.
Like I told him, " If you want things to change, You have to change some things"
It seems I am always the one who has to step up and be the strong one- and make the difficult choices.
BBGF
I hope he's able to step up
I hope he's able to step up and do the right thing. I would hate to see you have to move and possibly break up, only to have her move out in a few months on another whim. On the flip side, I'd hate to see you wait it out and her live there til she's 30. Good luck!
I've been talking with a few
I've been talking with a few girl friends and they said the same thing. What if my SO really thinks about all this and gives the SD23 and ear full and she finally moves out? then what? I don't foresee her leaving anytime soon-its just to easy to stay. Then if his oldest dtr and the grandbaby move in, I don't think I will ever move back here. I'm not sure I want to come back into this house if I leave. And I just don't know what else to do. I can't keep giving it time when I know that Nothing is going to change- unless we all went to counseling- and I know that would never happen. As good as our relationship is, I am afraid this situation is going to affect it in a bad way as time goes by. I don't know what else to do.
I got a few days to think things over before he comes home- We will see what happens.
BBGF
Good for you for standing up
Good for you for standing up for yourself. I am inspired by your courage. There's nothing wrong with having some hope that things could change, maybe at some point they can, but that doesn't mean you should change your plans. You and your BF can always talk -- at your place, where you are in control of the environment and you can state your needs in a calm, clearheaded way. I'm sure it hurts now, but just know that someday, maybe very soon even, you will be able to look at this situation without feeling the pain.
It is too bad your BF is feeling low, but keep in mind this is a situation that he allowed to occur. He SHOULD be feeling regret. You are doing what any reasonable person would do by moving out and taking care of you and your daughter. I'm sure it is very hard for you to hear your BF crying and feeling sad. I wonder though, did he shed any tears for your daughter and the daily notes she was getting that caused her emotional pain? Did he cry for the emotional pain his duaghter was inflicting upon you?
If you and BF decide to give things another try, that doesn't mean you need to move back into that house even if he steps up and kicks SD out. If BF does not want to get married, why should you live with him? By living with this man, he gets all of the benefits of a wife and has none of the responsibilities. And what do you get? His family baggage? His abusive daughter dropping by? Constant stress and fear that your daughter will be hurt again?
It is possible BF will step up and do the right thing. Hey, it happens. BUT, if he kicks his daughter out, he should be doing it because he believes it is the right thing to do for her and for him. He should not do it so you will decide to stay.
You should know, though, that if BF steps up and sticks up for you, it would be rare. Ask any SM on this site about how good these men are at saying "no" to their princesses. This SD has gotten away with so much for so long that it would be like turning around the Titanic. And no matter what happens, this bully SD is always going to be in the picture somehow.
Keep looking for your new place. I'll bet something perfect will turn up any moment.
Stay strong. You are doing great!
^^^^^^I totally agree with
^^^^^^I totally agree with SecondWife...excellent post! I thought of something else...if BF steps up and kicks his kid out, maybe you two should consider buying a new place together. I know the market is bad, but hopefully he could sell his house. Just something else to think about. If nothing else, you having your own place will allow you to escape when SDs are around and your daughter can live free of ridicule. I'm really pulling for you!!! Keep us updated!!
UPDATE!! Thank you all for
UPDATE!!
Thank you all for your kind words- and encouragement. I was really struggling with this tough decision for weeks. Last week when he got home- I felt even more confused. He is an amazing man- and really wants us to stay together. He had his "meeting" with SD24. Of course she initially tried to point the fingers back at me and my daughter. But he had a pre-written plan of action. He made the conversation focus on HER and what SHE needs to do. She is a classic Generation Y- with no plans- no motivations- no ambition. He made her see that- by asking her a series of questions. He asked her what has she done in the last year to improve her life since living with us ( especially since she pays no rent or bills) and she said she "had nice cloths and dresses".
Then he asked her about plans for the future- 1 year to 5 years down the road. She said 1, get a nicer car,in 3 yrs, a better job, and 5 yrs, "be married and have a child". The funny thing is, she doesn't really have "plan" of how to get there. She isn't taking any Steps toward those goals. I really believe she is waiting for the right sugar daddy to sweep her off her feet so she can get barefoot and pregnant and stay home.
Anyways, He said by the end of the conversation- which he kept focused on HER- she agreed that it would be great to move into her own place- with her own rules- where she can live how she wants. He made her see the positive aspects of moving on her own. The only problem in this whole plan is she doesn't have a real job. She works at a Chinese Restaurant "under the table" so she has no documented income. He promised to "co-sign" a lease for her, pay her security deposit and her first months rent. He says the "money" is going to be worth saving our relationship. He'd rather pay to get her out of the house than let her stay which would drive me away.
I have already told him that I am not going to believe anything she says until I see Action. MY BF travels out of town every Monday til Thursday morning. And sure enough- the SD23 already started Drama by Tuesday night. After leaving all those stupid childish notes around the house a few weeks ago, me and my daughter have joked ( between us) about things. My dtr didn't realize the SD23 came home and she says, "Mom, Stop making so much noise doing dishes" referring to one of the childish notes that said I should respect SD by not putting dishes away when she's watching TV. It wasn't meant for SD23 to hear, but she fired off a phone call to her dad. I overheard her conversation from my bedroom- and listened as she threatened to punch my daughter and "break her in half"- she thinks we were purposely instigating her. She just wants us to leave her alone- and that is exactly what we have been doing.
I have requested a sit down Meeting for all of us- something that my BF has refused to do in the last year and half. But I think each one of us needs a chance to say what we need to so we can stop walking around so pissed off. I am not sure SD23 even realizes the things that bother me because no one wants to talk about it. When issues came up, I would let her dad "talk" to her- but nothing ever changed. I would go a period of time trying not to let things bother me- only to have her write more childish notes all over the house- aimed at hurting my daughter. This just caused me to feel even more resentment towards her- Little miss innocent. It is true that some people can be beautiful on the outside- but own a rotten soul on the inside- and that is her!
SO I am just waiting to see what happens. November 1st is the deadline- and he's supposed to go apartment hunting this Friday with her. I just emailed him and told him he needs to implement a Phase 2 in his plan. He needs to actually sit down with her and show her how to save money over the course of a month- by putting aside $125/week- even if she puts it in envelopes and writes " December rent' and "bills". Otherwise, his plan to only pay one month rent will turn into Every month!!
BBGF