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I get no respect from my stepson!

kev24_uk's picture

Hi!
This may seem like an odd one to you but please read on! I am 22 years old and am in a loving relationship with a 40 year old divorcee. She has 2 sons, one of them is 13 and the other is 11. The older son I get on with great and we have loads in common. The younger son I sometimes get on with and he will tell me he loves me and want a cuddle etc etc. Other times he will hate me, insult me, tell me "i'm not his real dad" and generally treat me with no respect. His mother tries to discipline him but to no avail. Being so young myself, I don't know a lot about parenting apart from the way I was brought up myself, which is totally different to how she has brought up her sons. I find myself arguing like a child with the younger son and things can get very petty. How can I get him to show me some respect as an adult and relieve the tension that hangs in the air. I feel that he is getting in the way of my relationship with his mother and I dont want this to be the case!! Any help would be appreciated.

Ms.J's picture

My first question is how long have you been in the relationship? I ask because if it's fairly new, the kids are still adjusting to you. If you've been together for a few years, then it's a little different. It really takes kids a long time to 'adjust' to a new step parent, sometimes they never do! However, it's never ok for a child to disrespect an adult. Maybe the fact that you're not THAT much older than they are plays a part in them not seeing you as their authority. I know it's rough, and hard to act like the adult when things get petty. I find myself acting more like a toddler than my 6 year old ss on occasion... he knows how to push my buttons. Just try to remember that as time goes on, it will get a little easier. Try to remember that you are the adult, and just be there as a friend if they need you. (I should take my own advice.) I find the best way to have peace around my house is just to stay out of his way most of the time. If he wants to talk, he knows where I am.

Candice's picture

and this is a difficult task to do with preteens and stepkids. One thing that you must know as a "step parent" is that things are not always going to go your way. Even though your idea of children respecting adults is a good, it doesn't mean parents are going to enforce it, or that it is going to be that way. This is why the parents really need to put their foots down with their child and maintain boundaries.

If I were in your situation, and I have been, I speak with the parent of the child first and let them know where I stand. I am a firm believer that under no circumstances is a child allowed disrespect me ever. I express to the parents that I don't like what their child is doing, and that I do have expectations of them to do something about their ill mannered child. However, there are times when I am alone (and I try to minimize that so I won't strangle him) So when my ss throws his attitude my way, 1.) I calmly but firmly say to him "you don't need to talk to me that way, I am the adult here, not you.." and I politely remind the child that it is not okay for children to disrespect adults. When my ss tries to verbalize his excuses I quickly and repeatedly interupt with "at.." and don't let him verbalize anything. When he realizes that he can't verbalize his excuses with me, then he goes off to his room for a while. This usually does the trick.

Note to self, without the parents support, you will have an extremely difficult time commanding respect. Furthermore, when you do argue with a child, you are empowering them to manipulate you (I say this knowing we all have done this!) So do whatever you need to do to prevent yourself from arguing with a child...like I'm the adult, and what I say goes. End of discussion.

I hope this helps you.

Bests,
Candice

kev24_uk's picture

Thanks for you help, I think it will come in handy!
Another problem I have is that the mother of my stepson feels that I always put her in the middle of any problems I have with him and that I should talk things through with him myself. I think this is probably true, so I am wondering how you would deal with him in my situation. I know he likes me, because he has said so to both his mum and me, so that is not a problem. I just want the house to be peaceful because his mum gets very wound up and that causes tension between me and her, which I could do without!
An example from the other day:
His mum and I spent the whole afternoon with him setting up his old playmobil airport set on the dining room table, cleaning it, making sure all the pieces were there and setting it out nicely ready to sell on ebay. We took photos of it all and started to list it on there, (he wanted to help so obviously we let him do the bits he wanted to, like take the photos). When it came to putting the item on, he wasn't very good at spelling or describing the item, so I asked him to move over so I could do it and he could perhaps tell me what to write and it would be quicker. He said no and him mum then told him to move and he got in a big strop, said "oh you're such a fat boff aren't you, do it your f***ing self then!". So I said that under no circumstances was I going to do anything for him if he spoke to me like that and this escalated into a petty argument. I felt that his mum should have done more to discipline him about talking to me like this rather than leaving it up to me when I really don't have enough power over him, having only been in the relationship a year and a half and not actually living there full time yet. Did I do right in this situation or was there something I could have done better, rather than just refuse to do it and argue and walk off?

Anonymous's picture

The mother should not let him speak to you that way. He had no right to speak to you that way under any circumstance. It is her job to put an end to that. I don't understand how she could just let him speak that way to anyone, let alone the man she loves. Next time he does it, just walk away. Tell him AND his mom that you have no use for that kind of behavior and until he apologizes you will be off doing your own thing.

Phil Rivera's picture

Not teaching your kids or step kids respect is child abuse!!
I couldn't agree more.... Its hard but you must walk away....

Anonymous's picture

I understand exactly where you are coming from here. I am dealing 16 years twins one female and one male, in addition to a 18 year old stepdaughter who is academically inclined but socially inept! The way to deal with your rude and disrespectful stepson is to say what you gotta say, act as a support to mother, and do not take a lead role in disciplining none of the children. This will force the mother to deal with her sons! When stepchildren tell you that you are not their father, be sure to acknowledge that you are not their father and you will not do anything more for them than you have to do. Also, inform them, depending on your relationship with the mother, you are no longer financially responsible for them once they turn eighteen. If the biological mother cannot accept you being honest with these jerks, it is going to be you who will feel used in the end because you have provided shelter, food, and stable environment for these rude social rejects to grow up only to disrespect you in end! If tensions continue to grow, I don't care how good looking, fine, and matching personalities you and the mother may share, pack your bags and leave this family to deal with their own mishap. Either they will get it together or they will self-destruct as long as you are not a part of that sea of ignorance and anger. Trust me, put up with for six years and was married for four of them.

Candice's picture

for any child to drop an fbomb to you directly, and his mother just let it go is totally unacceptable! This mother is putting her head in the sand and expecting you to either put up with this abuse or somehow handle it yourself. She isn't parenting him, the poor kid is parenting himself and angry for it, and he is going to take it out on you.

If you are seriously seeking advice, the first thing you need to do is seriously ask yourself how important is your sanity? First thing first, this kid isn't going to come around just b/c you are trying to influence him. He is going to act out as long as his mother does nothing about it. I don't care how fine this woman is to you, she is not defending her relationship with you, and her #1 priority in life should be her marriage, then her children. You are going to help HER provide a stable home to raise her son in, and for her to not value that is not putting her son's needs very high.

You need to reevaluate this relationship. You cannot make this house run peacfully if mother has her head burried in the sand. Be proactive, and have a very frank discussion with her about her parenting HER son, and establishing some good boundaries for the entire house. No man who has any self respect is going to put up with this long term...it makes me wonder if she is sabotaging herself intentionally..hmm..

If my ss dropped an fbomb...he would get smacked in the mouth by me, then his dad...fyi...kids talk shit b/c they know or think they are going to get away with it...

hopeful's picture

your own child as I recall is a toddler. It is always wise to be somewhat humble when our children are younger because if not, we may end up eating a lot of crow pie as I children reach the teen years. I am not saying that the parent involved in some of these situations are not lacking in parenting skills, but seriously, one never knows what your own children may do as they grow up and believe me, the most effective answer to every behaviour is not a smack. In about 10 to 15 years you will appreciate what I am saying because guaranteed as much as the stepkids aren't perfect, our own children are not either lots of times.

Nise's picture

You seem to be very indignant here recently and I’m not really sure where it is coming from. We all have our own opinions and ways to do things and I don’t hear anyone saying that their way is The Way, we are all just offering our opinion form our perspective…just b/c we don’t have any bio kids or adult biokids or adult step kids…that does not make our life experience less valid then yours. Some things (like corporal punishment) are based on personal belief and experiences. It is YOUR experience that corporal punishment is not a constructive means of child rearing…that is GREAT for you and your family. My mother and father who raised three children to adulthood as well (and if I may say so myself, we all turned out just fine too!) were not perfect by any definition of the word but they did their best and they did whoop us so they have the “credentials” that you see as valid (i.e. having adult biokids) and they would disagree with you too!

Also, if I recall correctly, step parenting was so stressful for you (even as a biomom who had successfully raised kids though all stages of development) that you moved out of the house you and your husband shared and bought your own home across town. Many would argue that you don’t have the “credentials” to give anyone marital advice b/c living in two separate residences does not a successful marriage make and because you were not able to navigate the mine field which we call stepfamilies in a way that lead to a successfully intact marriage…it would be wise for you to be humble when critiquing the wisdom and abilities of others….of course, I hope I don’t sound to indignant here…

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hopeful's picture

Corporal punishment is against the law. Period. Did you read the blog of the stepmom who smacked her kid and was charged? That happens a fair bit and should happen more. I am sorry that you feel that this is a personal opinion, it isn't. That is a fact. It is a personal choice whether to use it or not. I do see the results of these beliefs in my work with kids and youth. Yes I know that lots of parents used this form of punishment in the past...so does that make it right. We also didn't wear seatbelts as kids but we have to know. Things change. Life changes. Laws change for a reason...because there is deemed to be a better way.

My other concern is something that happens in general life as well. The people who have all of the answers about child rearing are those who don't have any. Things change when you have your own kids and they grow up and have independence. Believe me. So yes, having your own children does definitely change your perspective. Certainly everyone can have an opinion about anything...so does that make it an informed opinion? Please....

This site is absolutely for people's own feelings and responses. For every problem, most people come to an answer that is right for them. What is concerning is lately there has been some posts where people speak with abolustely certainty about what people SHOULD do, not advice or opinions but SHOULDING on people and making very strong character judgements...."the man is no good, kick him out, why would you marry him, etc." Is that advice? Another area of concern is that there is some commentary about stepchildren being evil and very well their behaviour may be. However, some of the solutions that I have read on this site proposed by people have been unbelievable.

Yes, my husband and I did move to separate homes two years ago after navigating through step parenting for a long enough time to see the impact on us, our kids and our families. Not unique, I am sure. You see my husband and I entered into a marriage with 5 teens/youth and it was horrible for them in many ways. We both did not want to have our children witness and ourselves experience the continued arguing, hurting, back and forth tugging of kids by exs (didn't have that problem but many people do), anger, etc. that was occuring. That is not a demonstration of love, support or family. So if you think that does not give me the credential to offer expertise, experience and indeed wisdom, on the perils of choices for step family life, I disagree. Remember the divorce rate for second marriages is very, very high....almost 70 percent. We wanted to be one of the thirty percent...so I would suggest to couple to do whatever they feel works for them to have success in their marriage. This worked for us and we do not argue constantly, hate or hurt and I like that just fine.

So that is exactly what I am saying...I did what was right for me to minimize the hurt and anger for everyone. I am not suggesting that is right for someone else. I just know that living everyday in a quagmire of choas is not for me nor does that make me a hero for doing it. It just means that is what is right for me.

You see we each have our bottom line...things that we will tolerate as individuals. These are different for all of us. I couldn't handle being in a situation where a man has multiple exs and sks from different relationships, but that is me. You couldn't handle living in separate homes, that is you and others I presume. That is why we are all is different situations with similar circumstances and hopefully the same outcome...intact, enriched marriages.

My point with the information about step children and our own children is that they did live with us when we were married and their choices were less than ideal. They all turned out fine and they respect both of us...SO we made some right choices and finding a path of peace is what is wisest for all whatever that looks like for individuals.

And perhaps some of the sks chaos and poor choices comes from the examples of fighting, bickering, criticizing of other parents, etc that children witness. What must that be like for them?. So please don't say that because these kids don't make the right choices now, they will be social misfits. Many children you grow up to be break the law as a way of life have lived a life of abuse, conditional love if any at all and poor adult role models. That is where we can make a difference.

The other thing that has changed over the past few weeks on the site is that in the past there were individuals who did some reflection, venting and looked within themselves when there are problems...what can I do differently? how can I make a difference in the situation here in a positive way? I don't see so much of that anymore...it is very harsh towards sks and so much focus on the exs.

Is is great to have a site where you can vent and laugh and provide different perspectives but if it becomes a place where some are the authorities to tell others what to do with there lives, especially when it comes to doing things that are illegal, that is a concern.

And finally, where is the example of critiquing someone's wisdom and ability...that is not the case at all. Wisdom and ability comes from knowledge and experienced gained over time, not an opinion or comment from one's own values, thoughts or ideas.

So that is my response to your concerns and I guess I was wrong, I was indignant about my first posting because indignant means, among other things, annoyed and offended. So yes I was indignant and so were you. Not a big deal to me.

Nise's picture

I think that your facts may be true in Canada but not everyone here lives in Canada. I have also spent time working with troubled teens and I have sat in a court room on many occasions and heard a magistrate tell a parent who is filing unruly charges on their child that it is lawful to spank a child on the buttocks as long as you don’t leave marks. So when speaking about “facts” again, you must step outside of your home and your corner of the world and everything is not always so black and white. Like I’ve said in the past, does your experience of raising YOUR children make you more informed about raising Candice’s children or anyone else’s on this forum? I doubt that it does just like knowing the laws in your region of Canada does not make you an expert on Ohio law in the United States and therefore your opinion on corporal punishment may not be the most informed when talking about the 50 states of the union in which many of us on this forum reside.

As a matter of ACTUAL FACT (not just my own values/thoughts/ideas disguised as wisdom as experience gained over time, which would be considered very unwise) MANY states in the US allow corporal punishment to be used IN SCHOOLS according to state and local laws...just an FYI...

Also, just because you see a solution presented here as being “unbelievable” doesn’t mean that your "Sage like" perspective is right! You think that taking away a curling iron is abuse, GET REAL! People are just saying what has worked for them with their kids in their households in there parts of the world…and people have the ability and responsibility to take it or leave it!

Some people would see moving to two separate homes in an attempt to save a marriage as unbelievable. I for one know my husband wouldn’t go for that and neither would I…I didn’t get married to live alone and it seems like an easy way out to me (while “staying in” and becoming apart of the 30% of people who stay “successfully married” the second time around) but hey if it works for you, it is a technique that I’d choose to leave but maybe it can help someone else save their marriage… but you are sharing it as something that has worked for you and your family…

I think that the site ebbs and flows over time, just like any growing thing…people come and go…I know I’ve seen a lot of new faces since I’ve been here and I know that there were people here before me who would see me as a new face…the group here now is at a comfort level where it seems like “girlfriends” getting together to dish a little bit sometimes (i.e. talking about hair color) and I don’t think that is a bad thing, being at a place where you say “I HATE THAT PSYCHO BITCH” is just as okay as saying “what can I do differently?” and I see a healthy dose of both, and I like it! And all I was trying to do in my post was show you that there are a few things that have changed about your tone as well…you are coming off to me as having written The Bible on parenting and step parenting more so then you did in the past….and maybe you need to do a little more reflecting as well….(and tell us about your “hair color mishapps every once in a while!) *SMILE*

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Nise's picture

“I doubt that hopeful was saying that anyone WITHOUT bio or adult step kids have no right to give advice or adhere to a principal that have not encountered yet....”
I’ve pretty much gathered here recently from hopeful’s posts that this is pretty much what she is saying, but I could be wrong… although she has said as much to me in the past…on other forum postings…
You are right that New Jersey is one of the states that has completely banned corporal punishment in schools and so I would assume that the sentiment is mirrored in other state law governing children. However, on a national scale, I believe that you are incorrect about a legal parent being the only one permitted to spank a child. Many states still allow for children to get paddled in school (most of which are in the South, Southwest, Midwest and Central regions). Many birth parents in nearly have of the States in the US who’ve raised their own biological kids see spanking as a viable form of discipline so to say that someone who advocates for this form of discipline is doing something illegal or making an unintelligent decision based on limited wisdom/ability and experience is just silly…
Again to each his own…but where I find folly is in the argument that one’s opinion is “un wise” because it comes from someone who has not birthed a child and raised that child to age X…at which time that person becomes the Buddha of child rearing. Especially when that perspective is based on limited facts….
Sidebar: Burnt Orange huh?! *SMILE*

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hopeful's picture

My perspective in not based on limited facts. It really makes no difference to me whether you or anyone else spanks, slaps, hits or does anything else to their children or someone else's, whether it leaves marks or doesn't. There are also places that allow polygamy, spousal abuse and other varied points of law. That is not my words...it is easily accessed in case law and in scholarly research papers. As I recall, the lady on this site who was charged with abuse was from the U.S. It is a risky idea with someone else's kids. Believe me there were times when I felt like smacking or pushing my stepson...when I knew there were drugs in his room...when I knew that he was hanging out with a bad crowd and that it could endanger my children and my career. But I didn't and I am glad. You see there were many reasons that I purchased my own home and it was all for the better for me. I would never say to anyone else that this is what they should do. Each person must do what is right for them.

I teach a course in child care so my information doesn't come from my personal opinion or from any holier than though attitude. My entire career has been in the field of paediatrics, both in Canada and the U.S.A and I haved travelled a fair bit educating about the various aspects of child care. Does that make me an expert...in some things, yes...in others, no. But I can guarantee that my greatest education has come from raising two children of my own to young adulthood and my experiences with stepchildren who call upon me for advice and support(who by the way all get along great and who share all major celebrations together). And yes there are places that allow corporal punishment. You see I chose to leave the situation before I disliked or perhaps even resented them completely. That was my choice. Personally I could not be with a man who had some of the very complicated lives that I read about (multiple exs, kids and support in different directions, living from paycheque to paycheque because of supporting the ex and the sks, etc.) But that is me...I know my own limits and perspectives and so I could not go in that direction. But I have a great deal of respect for those who can and do have the patience and the perserverance to be in some of the situations that I read about. I have learned a lot from a lot of people on this site. But I must say that the perspective that many have about step children is anything but objective and the perspective about the biomoms isn't either. I would be the first to admit that about my own sks and my husband's ex.

You know I did not ever say that you or anyone else does not have knowledge about parenting because of not having their own biological children. But I will tell you that judgment about one's own children and sks is very, very different and the greatest wisdom about parenting comes from experience and often from choices that as parents we make that we regret. I would also be the first to admit that as well. That is why I often believe that the most knowledgable people about parenting are the older folks, like my own parents who have been there and lived to tell about it.

I also recall in one of your posts that you stated that "a couple that knows it is over but just hasn't admitted it yet, but it is basically over except for the paperwork." That was me that you were referring to and that is okay...your opinion. This situation is far from over...the only thing that is over is the bickering, the hurting, the anger, etc. But you know your post did make me think "is it over?" and I spent some time reflecting on that and I appreciated that little push. I came to the conclusion that this is the way that things have to be right now and I am very content with life.

When someone who has survived the death of a child gives me advice, I listen to there experience because I haven't been there. When someone tells me about what it is like to loose their spouse to death, I listen to that as well because I haven't experienced that. When someone tells me what it is like to have a child with special needs, I also listen because I cannot relate. And when someone who has raised children some time ago tells me about various aspects of parenting, not sweating the small stuff, that everything is survivable as long as your children are alive and healthy, I listen to that to because there are many experiences that I did not understand until I had to face them personally along the way. I listen and indeed that too is my choice. Yours too to make as you wish. I respect that.

Nise's picture

Kinda reminds me of the stay at home mom/woking mom or the bottle feeding/breast feeding debates…I think we agree to disagree....*SMILE*

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Candice's picture

You stated before "Before providing a level of expertise on parenting, it is best to do so once one has their own children and have travelled the distance in life with them....toddlers, school age, pre-adolesence and teenage years, young adulthood. Then, and only then, do we begin to have a little bit of wisdom about the joys and the perils of raising our children. Step parenting is NOT the same in any way, shape or form"

You also stated "Candice, I am curious...how old is the stepson? Are you really serious that you and BF "slap him upside the head" and cut his hair as punishment...that seems very abusive to me, regardless of what the behaviour is to warrant this."

You call setting boundaries with luxury items like image..abusive, and "conditional love". You challenged Nise about giving out parenting adivce since she has not yet birthed a child, meanwhile, she is getting serious hands on experience in raising not one, but two children.

Your opinion is just like mine and everyone else's...it is an opinion. You don't agree on corporal punishment, or eliminating the priviledge of image, or any type of discipline from what I understand,...so what? It is simply your opinion. Yes there have been cases where good parents were jailed for disciplining their children...fyi hopeful...I'll take my chances. What is worse for me than taking a risk and being improperly jailed for finding effective ways to discipline what every other adult in my ss's life would agree on, and that he is highly ill mannered, is to not discipline him period, that is true abuse- to not teach him appropriate social/family boundaries. What is worse for me is watching my ss grow up and become the next future burden to society b/c no one took any means to discipline him. I never said he got smacked daily, or that is our first course of action, it is actually the last, and of all 13 years of ss, he had been physically disciplined 4 total times by his father, and it was the last resort.

Also, to date in WA state...I have not yet read that any parent was jailed for taking a flatiron away from a child who won't obey, or had their child's hair cut off to resemble clean cut hair, since they wouldn't stop lying...

In another post you stated "I often find more wisdom collectively in the children and youth that I work with and care for than I do in many adults, including professionals like police officers." That is a red flag to me b/c it sounds like you value the opinion of children rather than adults all together, and if that is true, that is dysfunctional. It also sounds to me like you feel so sorry for children under all circumstances, that you run to their defense by criticizing their parents, rather than trusting that parents do their best, and aren't always abusive. You are labeling all forms of discipline as abuse, yet you never have offered any suggestions to me on how to incorporate your soft approach, or other non-coporal ways of punsihment for my ss, or son. Is that b/c you don't believe in discipling children period?

I was spanked from time to time by my family members, parents, and older siblings that cared for me (one is 16 years older than me) and to date, I have zero resentful feelings towards them for taking the time out of their lives to correct my behavior, and give me the well deserved spank on my behind. Furthermore, when I got into those pre-teen years where my mouth was a bit too much (never an fbomb), I too should have received a smack upside the head...

In closing, I will agree to disagree with you hopeful, I will stand behind the effective means that we have found, and gladly share them among other site members when they feel they have done everything and nothing works. I totally understand that not all individuals like corporal punishment, but, I'll take my chances there too.

Been there...still there's picture

Run. Do not walk, run away from this situation. I was dealing with this issue 11 years ago. Now he is 19. I want him out, his Mom does not. Run dude! Run. It is not worth it. It is too late for me but save yourself some stress.

If the day comes...... and it is close...... that I decide loosing my wife is a fair price to pay for kicking his 19 year old ass, you will see me in the papers.