Blend families with a spouse with mental health issues?
Hi this is my first post and I wish I had posted three years ago.
My wife and I are currently separated. My wife has two grown children DS27 and DD 21. Mine are DD14 and D18. I had custody 3 nights every two weeks, usually weekends. School holidays I'd have them more.
Backtrack 3.5 years to when we were married and it was a rocky start with my daughters. Back then they were DD12 and DD16. Especially a defiant older DD16 who wasn't happy being taken away from her neighbourhood and friends. For the first six months, it was constant fighting over her not taking showers and the girls not helping around the house. We tried all kinds of things to get them to shower and help. She kinda showered at her BM's place, but even the BM probably had to work hard to get that in place. It was really stressing out my wife. Part of it was just different household rhythms on dinner tasks. Thankfully, my younger DD12 got along well with my wife.
Then the hammer fell.
My wifes' father passed, and her boss subjected her to bullying and harrassement at work, including texting her while we were away at her dad's funeral on the weekend. The guy was an a**hold and a coward. There were many stress points before and more after that weekend, but long story short, she attempted to commit suicide three times, she was hospitalised 8 times and life at home became really bad. She couldn't handle the stress of a 16y.o. defiant and mouthy kid. One time, she called my DD16 an "effing b*tch" when the dishes hadn't been done. Wife apologised, but still...I was gobsmack at that kind of behaviour. She threw a glass of water at my daughter because she didn't shower and once said "If we break up, it's going to be YOUR fault". I thought it was all just bad reaction from the bullying so I tried to support my wife. But if I supported my kids, she'd just lose it. I was trapped between the two. She was complaining that I was making the kids more important than her.
She started seeing her psychologist and went on meds. She wouldn't cut down the drinking though and averaged 3/4 bottle per day. She would sometimes drink enough to get drunk, but not always. I tried telling her not to drink so much, but she always had her excuses.
She refused to let me talk to the BM about what was happening with the suicide attempts saying all I should tell her was it was a "medical issue". Maybe I didn't have enough backbone at the time, but in hindsight, I should have told the BM about the environment. In hindsight, not telling the BM probably cause more stress for me.
One time, she got into an argument with my DD16 about us joking around that we were pregnant. My daughter got angry at the idea, and then my wife got angry and really defensive at my daughter's comments. I was just trying to keep the peace. My wife decides to bail on a family cinema trip, but then calls her sister and is so distraught and talking about OD on pills again, I eventually have to get her out from the hospital after the movie. She was scheduled (or legally restrained from leaving hospital as she was considered a harm to herself) and I had to wait to get her out.
My kids stopped visiting me for about a year. We were focusing on trying to get her health back, but there was alot of two steps forwards, five steps back. She's still got depression, anxiety, panic attacks, cptsd with a layer of (surprise!) unresolved childhood trauma underneath. Even I've had "sympathetic PTSD" and physical anxiety attacks.
That's the first year and a half and I need to sleep. Any comments? Is anyone trying to blend families with a spouse with mental health issues? It's C-PTSD. My concern is not having my kids in an environment where we're constantly tip toeing around her and her reactions. The drinking is also a concern for me, but I know that it's more complicated than just not drinking.
NaDD
Your wife sounds like she
Your wife sounds like she possibly has Borderline Personality Disorder, has that been discussed at all? Her dysregulation and extreme reactions are more characteristic of that than of C-PTSD (she could have both).
Honestly, I don't blame your kids for refusing to visit. They shouldn't have to put up with that kind of treatment from her, so it's good that you support them not coming over.
Only you can decide how much is too much in dealing with your wife's issues. Is she compliant with treatment and medication? Most likely none of that will be effective if she keeps drinking.
Welcome to the site!
I have mental health issues (principally anxiety and OCD) and for 17 yrs I had an addiction to prescription meds. I am now 4 yrs in recovery. However I never behaved in an out of control way, and don't believe mental health issues alone are an excuse for doing this. It sounds like your wife's issues are quite florid - in that she acts out and threatens suicide if things don't go her way. She also sounds like she is an alcoholic. I note you say you are currently separated, and if I were you I would remain so. Someone as troubled as your wife is always going to have issues with the stresses and strains of step life.
Stay separated
It will never work with her. Breakups are sad but this is hopeless. Heal yourself and make a new life. Good luck.
My own Dd15 is in therapy
And due to COVID her sessions are now in zoom. We were in the car when her appointment started and her therapist said something very interesting. He said you want your relationships and friendships to be with someone who is either on your same level or one step above or below. Your wife is a train wreck of addiction and mental health issues and rage. She isn't good for your kids. Your kids aren't good for her. There is no doubt about that. Is this relationship acceptable to you? You don't want to be someone's crutch and caregiver as a spouse. A spouse should be an equal partner to go through life's adventures with. Your wife is a whole lot of dysfunction and needs to focus on healing herself. She can't be a partner to anyone in her current state
Having already taken the step
Having already taken the step to separate, just finish the split and get on with your life. This woman will cost you the entire rest of your life with your daughters. Her mental illness is tragic, however, that does not give her any excuses for victimizing you and your kids and gives you no excuses to tolerate her crap.
IMHO of course.
Take care of you.
Your wife is your #1 priority
Your wife is your #1 priority, but your kids are your #1 responsibility. It is irresponsible to keep them around your wife while she is not stable. However, IF you plan to remain married, you're going to have to step it up and stop towing the line.
Your eldest DD needed to be handed a figurative swift kick in the arse when she was 16. Whether that was going to therapy with her so she could adjust or you and her BM setting some firm boundaries with her, she was allowed to be rude and awful for too long. Your wife, it seems, was already in a fragile state, and you allowed your daughter to continue her crap behavior at the expense of peace for your wife. That's your screw-up. If your eldest DD is still around consistently (i.e. isn't living on her own or off at college), she needs to stay away from your wife and get her act together. Throwing a multi-year tantrum because her NCP moved is BS, and you need to be firm that the BS ends.
Regarding your wife, being separated is probably good. It keeps your kids away from her, which is good for both. What you have to decide is whether you want to remain married. If you do, you're going to have to figure out how you're going to handle being a dad while also being a husband, likely in two different homes. I personally don't know that I'd be able to stick around after my partner threw a projectile at my child, even if it was related to their mental health. But, I've been in a relationship where things were thrown at me and I'm not interested in being in a relationship like that again.
Do I think your marriage is salvageable? Eh. I think you've "allowed for peace" too much to have both your wife and your kids be a blended family. You allowed your eldest DD to walk all over your wife (and you and your home), and then your wife took it too far when she broke down. I'm not saying all of this is your fault, but you've had a part to play. Unless you have or are also learning how to balance out your responsibilities to your (nearly adult) children and your wife, this pattern continues.
Blend families with a spouse with mental health issues?
Wow wow! Thanks for all for the responses.
There's always two sides to the story, so I know I'm not innocent in all this. But I've got four guys I make myself accountable to, two of whom are happily married and friends of my wife. One was a senior church minister And even they listened very openly about the horror stories I told, and the responsibility I take. That being said, they have been very willing to help me out when I said I needed to separate. They helped me plan it. We picked the option that seemed to have the least "permanance" to it, ie. they found a friend who had a spare room. They even offered to help with moving logistics. I'm also in AlAnon and really trying to work the program to keep my sanity and get serenity, even with the craziness.
@lieutenantdad and @oktostep. Yes, my daughter was a handful. She's been a handful for the BM(first wife) even since she was 9. It took a while to figure out there was a learning disability, anxiety and some "defiance disorder" involved. Anyway, my wife couldn't handle it for the first nine months. After awhile, we laid down the law, and my eldest daughter just decided to come less often. So, nine months of craziness, not 3.5 years. Still, I totally understand the stress it would put to have someone that defiant on showers. She did help occasionally on dishes but it was a hard slog. But it was her reaction to the defiance. After a while, my daughters stopped wanting to stay over and I only saw them on weekends for a few hours. They'd visit and say hi to my wife, but whenever I asked them about staying over, they'd not answer.
With the movie incident, I have detailed journal entries of every day for a week up to and including the moving incident. I just couldn't bring myself to write it up again...sorry...I didn't mean to be hazy...I couldn't write up again it because it was surreal. There was a lunchtime argument after my wife and I were joking about being pregnant. My 16 yo thought it was a bad idea nd we had to consider how she felt about having anymore kids. I reminded her we were joking about being pregnant. My daughter thought we were serious. All of a sudden, my wife thinks it all serious and tells my daughter it's her body and she can do what she wants with it. The whole thing escalates in seconds. I managed to hose down before it got too crazy. We had long planned the movie (Avengers Endgame), but at the last moment, my wife tells me she doesn't want to play "happy family" and tells me, point blank, to just take my kids and go to the movie. She wanted to stay at home. Okay, I ask her again if that's what she wants and she was a bit sad, but firm in her decision. I find out later she called her sister. She had been drinking and was emotional, and upset that I had "abandoned" her. Now her sister later told me seemed to figure out really quickly what happened, and my wife told me her sister told her "Good that they went to the movies". Her sister is a tough nut and didn't think my daughter's comments should have been taken too seriously. I'm not sure what was said then my wife hung up suddenly on her sister. The sister called me at the movie to tell me she was worried my wife might OD again, couldn't get her to pick up the phone and we had to decide whether to call an ambulance or not. We erred on the side of caution and called the ambulance. I still missed half the movie.
Now this is April 2018 and by then she'd had 4 ODs and 8 hospitalisations. I knew once she was in the ambulance and at the hospital, there was nothing I could really do. So I managed to watch the very end of the movie...confused because I had missed so much. Took my daughters home. Ordered pizze for them. Ordered pizza for my wife as I was going to see her in Emergency...with the pizza. When I got there, she asked "Are you angry with me?". I paused and offered "Yeah...a little bit". She exploded and said "Get out! I dont' want to be with people who are angry".
"But I brought you pizza."
It got more surreal after that. Including the security guard assigned to her trying to soothe my wife telling her just about everyone in the emergency would love to have that pizza right now.
My wife would always complain that I kept making my daughters more important than her. That was how she said it. I once tried to explain her that there are many things that are important to me. My daughters are one of them. You...my wife is one of them. Specifically, I told my wife that she would always be the most imporant woman in my life. She asked right way, "What's going to happen when your daughters grow up to be women?". I dunno, but to me that really strikes me as odd. Even my church minister said he didn't know what to do with that comment. One of the other guys said, "Well, I'd just say my girls would always be my girls to me". Okay, it's good advice in hindsight, but am I being too worried about her answer? This is just one example of what seemed to be this competition between her and my kids. When I'm with her, I'm with her. My kids try to bring her into activities, but there are some things we've done for years that she just doesn't enjoy.
All up, there have been 8 ODs and three of them were reasonably serious attempts. Although I see my daughters almost every week and talk to them regularly, both have only been willing to stay over night now that I'm separated and in my own place.
My wife once told me she thought my kids hated her. I asked my eldest, and she said she didn't hate her. My eldest was just scared of her. She was scared because her reactions were just all over the place.
Do I think it's salvagable? Well, at some point everyone has to make a decision about it. I have a faith in God which I honestly try to work through life and reality. The last conversation I had with my guys was about what the husband should do in this faith. And someone asked me where there anything I thought my wife had to do for me to stay. Most times, it's something the man needs to forgive or let go or really stretch himself to live out the covenant which is marriage. However, being realistic about what that balance between faith and a secular view of what the next action should be...that's the wrestling.
My eldest is now 18 and much more relaxed and helpful around the house. But my wife, the changes are minimal.
Aside from the relationship challenges of being married to someone so fragile, I'm here just double checking opinions about the step-parenting situations I've never really asked about.
Are you seeking advice from
Are you seeking advice from folks in your faith who are 1) previously divorced with children, 2) stepparents themselves, and/or 3) dealt with mental illness in a close family member, such as a spouse, parent, child, or sibling?
If not, you're getting skewed advice from folks who don't know what you're going through or how to address it. Your wife has major psychological issues. What are her diagnoses? What long-term treatment regimen is she on? What kind of rehab has she been through?
My mother is bipolar, and she is slowly becoming an alcoholic. Having watched this cycle with her, that tells me her meds aren't working anymore, and she doesn't believe in talk therapy. She's on a "high" right now, but I assume when she swings low again (hard knowing when that will be) that she'll try to kill herself with liquor (she has tried it before).
What can I do? I get the luxury of being able to back away from her. My stepfather, though? He has to make a choice. He can push her to therapy, or he can let her go through this, or he can leave. What will push his hand will be if my StepBro and SIL keep my nieces from my SF, who is their grandfather.
That's where you're at. Do you potentially lose your family for your wife when it seems you wife isn't willing to help herself, or do you lose everyone around you to be with your wife? That's not hyperbole; that's likely reality. Other people will protect themselves, and that will mean pulling away from her, and by proxy, you.
So, first you have to make that decision: what does your wife need to do for you to stay, AND what is the level of stability that she needs to maintain to not end your marriage? This won't be a "once we're over this part, everything is smooth sailing". This will be a lifelong battle for her to maintain stability. You need to figure out what you can handle is so that she and you both know the bar. It needs to be high enough that she is actively working to improve herself, but not so high that she's constantly in fear that she'll screw up once and lose you.
All of that is taken into consideration ONLY IF you are planning to stay with her.
On the stepparenting side, you need to do a better job, IMO, of keeping your kids at kid-level, even as they become adults. It wasn't okay for your DD to comment that she thought it was a bad idea that you and your wife got pregnant. The response from you shouldn't have been "it's just a joke" but "what DW and I decide is best for our family is what is best, and your opinions on it aren't needed". By allowing DD to have an opinion, and an opinion where you seemingly agreed that it IS a joke if you and your wife had kids (no matter age and ability, joking about fertility and pregnancy is not funny), you likely hit a nerve with your wife. You gave your daughter authority over an adult decision. You might not see it that way, but from a SP perspective, that was hurtful. Then, instead of telling your daughter to back down, you "hosed out the fire" - essentially, kept the peace versus backing up your wife - and then rewarded your daughter for her disrespect by taking her to a movie versus telling your daughter to stay home and taking your wife.
What you see as only 9 months of defiance was likely more. However, because you're a parent, you likely never saw the issue, or you downplayed it because your wife was "new" to being a parent, especially to girls. That's not me writing off your wife's mental health issues and own bad behavior. But, your perception of events and your wife's perception of events likely aren't the same, and I can see in your posts where your interpretation of innocence is likely more complex than it appears.
So, independent of whether you stay with your wife or not, you need to figure out how to keep your daughters as the kid-level. It's hard to tell you exactly how to do that, but the best way right now would be to not include them in discussions about what is happening with your wife. If you divorce and date again, don't talk about your relationship with your kids, other than to tell them if you're happy or let them know any big announcements. Their opinion should be irrelevant, and if they decide not to have a relationship with you because of someone you are with, so be it. Part of becoming a couple with someone else, especially marrying them, is forsaking others. That would include your children. They will eventually find their own spouses and form their own families. You can't let them also decide who you can and cannot be with, or let them be disparaging, just because they're your kids. Especially now as they enter adulthood.
Independent of your children, figure out if you want to remain married. Figure out if it's the healthy decision FOR YOU. Again, your kids are eventually going to go off and be on their own. I would highly recommend if you stay with your wife that you maintain separate households until your kids launch and never make your kids interact with her (and never make her interact with them). But, make the decision to stay or leave based on what is going to be best for you since this is YOUR "until death do us part". Once you make that decision, then focus on how to be a single parent to your kids and how to keep them at kid status.
Is this a salvagable situation? Are the odds really low?
Hi LieutenantDad.
All of the four guys are married. One of them has a daughter (20yo) with a mental illness somewhat similar to my wife. But the underlying cause is very different. He was the first one to offer help on moving logistics when I first brought up the topic. We've had many chats being a listening post to each other. In particular around chosen relationships and unchosen relationships. His being the unchosen one. The one advancing the idea of faith based idea of marriage was my church minister. He has been incredibly patient listening to me and supporting even through the suicide attempts. To be blunt, I think once I mentioned I was really close to thinking about divorce he knew to had to offer a faith-based approach about marriage for me to consider. He was, in effect, just doing his job. That being said, he and the others know the incredibly difficult times I've been through, not just with my kids, but my wife's behaviours in general. And as I've discovered, their awareness of her behaviours even before I met her
Fair call on not pulling my kid into line about preganancy. My wife andI are both older and she's pretty sure she's not going to get pregnant, so it's been a running inside joke. It's good to be challenged about keeping the kids at kids. In hindsight I could have reacted more strongly on my wife's behalf with that. That doesn't excuse how she chose to react to my daughter with that level fo drinking and she started having suicidal ideation as well.
However, I've spoken to my wife about her alcohol intake, especially as she's on psychotropic meds. We've been to three couples counsellors they all mentioned it's not a good idea to drink on meds. Her GP said the same to her. Her psychiatrist seems to have a slightly softer view on it but my wife would always come back with her view on his willingness to let her drink a little bit. "No more than 10 standard drinks a week" "Don't drink by yourself". She's been able to go 50 days without alcohol, but always goes back to it. I tried booking sessions with him and they got cancelled. I asked about going with her and the two times I've been in the room with him, he's given a soft line like "If she's drinking that much, then she using alcohol for medical purposes".
I have a value "I don't want to raise kids with someone who uses alcohol to self-medicate". I think I finally realised she was self-medicating about about 9 months into the marriage. By then I was emeshed and I managed to really start to get myself out of the co-dependency about a year ago. I've been able to hold back my comments when she's drinking. That's her choice and how she listens and doesn't listen to her medical team is her business.
The thing now is even my DD14 commented for the first time to my wife on how much she's drinking. On the one hand I'm glad she's got sensible ideas about drinking. Her older sister doesn't drink and the younger one seem pretty mature about it as well. I spoke to my youngest after her comments, but I could only comment that she kept the conversation level toned about my wife's excuses for the multiple glasses of wine on her own. And that you can't really do much about changing people's behaviour that way. My DD14 told me she wanted to take the glass and pour it out and I said it was good you didn't. But what do with these kinds of situations?
I mentioned we went to three couples counsellors. The second one early last year was because I was stressed about the girls not staying over and she was stressed about the girls coming over at all. When the counsellor asked her maybe if she could stay at a girlfriends place, my wife erupted and accused the counsellor of trying to kick her out of her home. The counsellor calmly tried to explain she wasn't trying to kick her out and she might consider that as a "gift to your husband". My wife was furious and still kept going on about being kicked out of her house. We didn't make it past the second session with that counsellor. Months later, I asked her about that chat and asked her if she heard the counsellor say "it's a gift to your husband". She honestly couldn't remember the counsellor saying that. Hmmm...I think she gets so angry that nothing you say actually gets inside her ears if she's that dysregulated.
Did I mention she's also spent over $10,000 on iPhone games while we were married? I'm pretty sure she was spending a similar amount before I met her. Her Candy Crush level was ridicuously high and you can't get to that level in that short a time without a lot of extra in-app purchases. That's an addiction. And she doesn't want to talk about it.
We tried to rebuild trust back in May this during the separation. But the same day we managed to get some trust back, she had another OD (on headache medication) and then two days later, she read my journals. Not just a page and then closed it. She read them for four hours and six months worth. There's nothing terrible to read, and she actually complimented me on my writing style. I told her I was angry about her reading it. She then claimed that she now understood me better and why I didn't like it when she drank alcohol and it was good that she read it. I still was in shock that she read that much. The OD didn't help with trust building. Then she used things she read against me and then asked me to have a drink with her over dinner...and I'm left wondering if she really paid attention to what she read. Those two items pretty much were the final straw back in May this year.
I know this is a step parenting site, but I made myself jump in and write my stories and read others because I needed some perspective on whether this an impossible situation. Blended families are hard enough. Then add when people have mental illness on top. For that, I worry about the recent independent medical examiner wrote my wife won't be able to go back to work after the workplace bullying, and if she does she can't go back to her old job(childcare director), can't work in a team environment as she won't be able to handle any criticism in that environment. Marriages are a team sport and there will be always be some small conflict that needs to be worked through.
I can take a step of faith with God, but that same ancient faith book has a story where the devil tempts the Son of God to jump off a tall tower saying...don't worry "God will protect you". And the Son cautioned "Do not test the Lord thy God". Hmmm...
One day at a time.
And I know if I'd need some professional help to keep me stable if we decide to try to make it work.
Your wife isn't really
Your wife isn't really available to you for a relationship until she treats her mental illness. That should be her only goal right now. You can't have a normal marriage until she does. Once she gets stability over it, then you can think about marriage and the relationship. Trying to work it out now is just beating your head against a wall. Hold her feet to fire to get healthy first. If she can't or won't, then you have a decision to make but for now insisting on her to deal with her mental health issues is paramount.
The odds are slim and none. More likely....none.
While I understand the pain regarding the end of a marriage, you cannot sacrifice yourself to your wife's obvious manipulations. The regular ODs lackign in effort, her need to end your interface with your daughters, her telling you to take them to the movie then calling her sister about you abandoning her, with apparently a long and dedicated history of manipulating your.
An equity life partnership takes two people. She is incapable of being your equity life partner and you continuing to sacrifice yourself on the alter of her manipulation and active her active dedication to victimhood is no less sick than she obviously is.
Take care of you.